(12-24-2018, 09:49 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 07:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Come to Orlando and I will show you some of the things I have built. You'll have to buy your own park ticket, though.
You know there is more than one kind of fence besides chain link, right?
My answer on the "patrols"? Very simple, and I've already said it. However many people and vehicles and towers that you thought you needed before you built the wall, you need the same number after. if you don't put the same number of people out, somebody's going to bring a ladder, and worse equipment to destroy the barrier, and get away with it.
LOL. I've seen the bathrooms at SeaWorld.........not all that impressive!
Allow me to point out that you are the one who specified chain link as sufficient and never offered any other options. You appear to backpedaling now that realize how easily it can be breached. Are you finally admitting it would be inadequate? For the record, yes, I do know there are other types and have even built a couple.
This was actually your first definitive response to the number of patrols and "WOW, where do I start."
1) This wall will be somewhat higher than any stepladder available at Home Depot.
2) Wire cutters aren't going to bring down this wall.
3) Why do you assume they would"...get away with it."? We'll still have guard posts and response teams ready to react to any organized effort to cross or destroy whatever barrier exists, we just won't require anywhere near as many. (If you employ your theory to the prisons you mentioned earlier, they could replace the chain link fences and barbed wire for a picket fence and not require any additional guards to prevent escapes. How would you feel about that if you lived nearby?)
Yeah,
the stuff I've built is not that impressive.
I agree that it's very important to have a variety of barrier types and heights in populated areas like Yuma or Tijuana.
And in other areas all you need is a light fence, motion sensors, and a paved path for patrol vehicles.
It depends on the number and proximity of hiding places that might be on the other side
What Trump ran on was the most solid type of barrier possible over the entire thousand plus miles of the border.
(12-24-2018, 11:24 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2018, 09:49 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]LOL. I've seen the bathrooms at SeaWorld.........not all that impressive!
Allow me to point out that you are the one who specified chain link as sufficient and never offered any other options. You appear to backpedaling now that realize how easily it can be breached. Are you finally admitting it would be inadequate? For the record, yes, I do know there are other types and have even built a couple.
This was actually your first definitive response to the number of patrols and "WOW, where do I start."
1) This wall will be somewhat higher than any stepladder available at Home Depot.
2) Wire cutters aren't going to bring down this wall.
3) Why do you assume they would"...get away with it."? We'll still have guard posts and response teams ready to react to any organized effort to cross or destroy whatever barrier exists, we just won't require anywhere near as many. (If you employ your theory to the prisons you mentioned earlier, they could replace the chain link fences and barbed wire for a picket fence and not require any additional guards to prevent escapes. How would you feel about that if you lived nearby?)
Yeah, the stuff I've built is not that impressive.
I agree that it's very important to have a variety of barrier types and heights in populated areas like Yuma or Tijuana.
And in other areas all you need is a light fence, motion sensors, and a paved path for patrol vehicles.
It depends on the number and proximity of hiding places that might be on the other side
What Trump ran on was the most solid type of barrier possible over the entire thousand plus miles of the border.
I think it will take more than protective enchantments to secure this border.
Earlier you said all we needed was, "Two layers of twelve foot high chain link fence with barbed wire loops at the top seem to do the job quite well, but you only need that level of security in areas that are highly populated or highly developed, near roads or cities for instance. And other areas, all you need is patrol by vehicles and aircraft and maybe a few lookout towers per mile." You've already changed your position, but what you now suggest is still woefully inadequate. More than a thousand miles of wilderness = millions of potential hiding places. A light fence is only slightly more than useless.
The barrier is intended to protect us, why would you not want it to be as solid as possible?
P.S. That's not how Dolores is spelled. I hope you didn't build anything with the typo.
(12-25-2018, 11:40 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2018, 11:24 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, the stuff I've built is not that impressive.
I agree that it's very important to have a variety of barrier types and heights in populated areas like Yuma or Tijuana.
And in other areas all you need is a light fence, motion sensors, and a paved path for patrol vehicles.
It depends on the number and proximity of hiding places that might be on the other side
What Trump ran on was the most solid type of barrier possible over the entire thousand plus miles of the border.
I think it will take more than protective enchantments to secure this border.
Earlier you said all we needed was, "Two layers of twelve foot high chain link fence with barbed wire loops at the top seem to do the job quite well, but you only need that level of security in areas that are highly populated or highly developed, near roads or cities for instance. And other areas, all you need is patrol by vehicles and aircraft and maybe a few lookout towers per mile." You've already changed your position, but what you now suggest is still woefully inadequate. More than a thousand miles of wilderness = millions of potential hiding places. A light fence is only slightly more than useless.
The barrier is intended to protect us, why would you not want it to be as solid as possible?
P.S. That's not how Dolores is spelled. I hope you didn't build anything with the typo.
I didn't upload the video so I didn't get to select the spelling. I did specify and personally tighten every single screw in that thing though, including the ones on the unseen mechanism that makes the rope move.
Wilderness may or may not have hiding places. It depends on if there are bushes or deep river beds or things like that. and some hiding places are better than others, able to sustain more people for a longer time. An air-conditioned building of course is the best hiding place at all. so wherever those are nearby it makes sense to have really high fences and barriers.
A lot of the border wilderness doesn't have hiding places.
(12-26-2018, 09:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-25-2018, 11:40 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]I think it will take more than protective enchantments to secure this border.
Earlier you said all we needed was, "Two layers of twelve foot high chain link fence with barbed wire loops at the top seem to do the job quite well, but you only need that level of security in areas that are highly populated or highly developed, near roads or cities for instance. And other areas, all you need is patrol by vehicles and aircraft and maybe a few lookout towers per mile." You've already changed your position, but what you now suggest is still woefully inadequate. More than a thousand miles of wilderness = millions of potential hiding places. A light fence is only slightly more than useless.
The barrier is intended to protect us, why would you not want it to be as solid as possible?
P.S. That's not how Dolores is spelled. I hope you didn't build anything with the typo.
Wilderness may or may not have hiding places.
You know you’re a contrarian if you can’t even fully concede that the wilderness has hiding places.
(12-27-2018, 01:49 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018, 09:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Wilderness may or may not have hiding places.
You know you’re a contrarian if you can’t even fully concede that the wilderness has hiding places.
Well some would say that the wilderness is a hiding place, though others would say that some wilderness has hiding places while other wilderness does not, though many think that being in the wilderness is hiding, I find that being out of the wilderness is better for hiding.
(12-27-2018, 02:26 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018, 01:49 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]You know you’re a contrarian if you can’t even fully concede that the wilderness has hiding places.
Well some would say that the wilderness is a hiding place, though others would say that some wilderness has hiding places while other wilderness does not, though many think that being in the wilderness is hiding, I find that being out of the wilderness is better for hiding.
I feel like this is a Seinfeld bit or something lol
(12-20-2018, 01:43 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]www.gofundme.com/thetrumpwall
That's right.... there's a Go Fund Me page to help fund the wall.
Started by patriot just a few days ago, with less than 100k donations it's already hit 5+ million
The goal is set at 1 billion, but if everyone who voted for Trump donates 80 dollars it would hit the 5 billion mark needed for complete funding.
Who needs Congress (or Mexico lol)
Wonder what Cryin' Chuck and negative Nancy got to say about America going over their heads lol
Shows who has donated recently to the right.
HC
$5
Hillary Clinton
1 min ago
bahahaha
The latest on this is pretty amazing. As I type this out, $17,533,263.00 raised by 288,591 people in 10 days. The latest donations have been in small amounts ($25, $50 or around there). $17.5 million is pretty good for no real advertising around this time of year.
If I had a big wall, I wouldn't need a big gun.
(12-29-2018, 08:51 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2018, 09:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't upload the video so I didn't get to select the spelling. I did specify and personally tighten every single screw in that thing though, including the ones on the unseen mechanism that makes the rope move. Congratulations, you are hereby awarded your screwdriver certification. I trust you remembered torque settings on the structural components?
Wilderness may or may not have hiding places. It depends on if there are bushes or deep river beds or things like that or rocks, mountains, ravines, caves, trees, water bodies, tall grass, outcroppings, sand dunes (basically anything that's not a parking lot). and some hiding places are better than others, able to sustain more people for a longer time. An air-conditioned building of course is the best hiding place at all A car trunk is the best hiding place, with the help of an accomplice, an illegal can move miles into the country in a matter of minutes. so wherever those are nearby it makes sense to have really high fences and barriers. Barriers? Do you mean things like walls? You said all we needed was chain link fences. What's the point of building the fences really high? If anyone can easily cut the wire and just walk through, won't they do that rather than climb over?
A lot of the border wilderness doesn't have hiding places. I didn't realize you've examined the entire border. How many of those 1,954 miles don't have hiding places?
I was going for a little bit of flair trying to make you think about how many screws are in that thing, but your mind is only fixated on minimizing me and figuring out justifications for ignoring my point of view.
It's ok. Even if you fully understood what was involved in the unicycle on a rope, and what my role was, that doesn't mean I know what happens at the border. But, you don't either.
from beginning to end my only response is that I shouldn't waste time trying to make you understand things that you simply do not want to understand, and rather than feel insulted for your lack of understanding I should simply disengage and feel sorry for you.
Hubris thy name is Mikesez.
(12-31-2018, 12:11 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]MDS is real.
Someone found a new playmate.
(12-31-2018, 07:32 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 12:11 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]MDS is real.
Someone found a new playmate.
You have all your Trumpette BFFs, mike's gotta be lonely???
18+ million in 16 days.
The American people on the internet can get more done than Congress in less than 3 weeks lol
(01-02-2019, 04:00 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]18+ million in 16 days.
The American people on the internet can get more done than Congress in less than 3 weeks lol
That could be as much as a mile and a half of wall! We'll be fully funded in about 50 years!
(01-02-2019, 04:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 04:00 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]18+ million in 16 days.
The American people on the internet can get more done than Congress in less than 3 weeks lol
That could be as much as a mile and a half of wall! We'll be fully funded in about 50 years!
Since they can't accept the money raised anyway, my guess is, since its a triple amputee, purple heart recipient who started the page, the proceeds will probably go towards veterans. Do you think 18+ million can help them?
What is more interesting is that 300K+ people have donated some denomination of their hard earned money.
(01-02-2019, 06:10 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 04:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That could be as much as a mile and a half of wall! We'll be fully funded in about 50 years!
Since they can't accept the money raised anyway, my guess is, since its a triple amputee, purple heart recipient who started the page, the proceeds will probably go towards veterans. Do you think 18+ million can help them?
What is more interesting is that 300K+ people have donated some denomination of their hard earned money.
I'm sure they'll put the money to a worthy cause.
I applaud the guy who organized this, and those who've donated, to the same extent that I praise Obama and the more than a million people who donated to him: I don't share the goals, but good on anyone who puts their money where their mouth is.
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