(12-23-2018, 05:56 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Ouch
Ouch is right.
Luckily most of those teams recently made moves at QB.
I also saw something on twitter today from a former Giants OL saying they were definitely starting Eli next year, may or may not draft a QB early. Who knows though?
You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm happy we showed some fight today, Kessler's backwards throw fumble will confuse and amuse for a while.
This off season goes like this
1- Decide if Marrone stays or goes
2- Hire an OC that runs a system that fits with what TC and Marrone want
3- FIND A QB THAT FITS THAT SYSTEM. Sick of seeing us try and use circle pieces in square holes. With Blake it was a slow move from what we want him to do and work to improve to restricting the O to what he could do and damage limitation
4- Add depth on O. Going to be hard with the cap, going to have to hit a few diamonds and draft has to be near perfect.
5- No more excuses. Yes injuries have been brutal for the O and the constant turnover hasn't allowed them to build rhythm. What i don't want is the first bump in the road to be a reason to let a season go. The journey from September to February is long and brutal, your going to have injuries, your going to have bad games but next season has to be a true change of mentality from the top down in this franchise.
Keeping Marrone, down to 9th in the draft...what an utter disaster of a day for the franchise.
(12-23-2018, 06:13 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm happy we showed some fight today, Kessler's backwards throw fumble will confuse and amuse for a while.
This off season goes like this
1- Decide if Marrone stays or goes
2- Hire an OC that runs a system that fits with what TC and Marrone want
3- FIND A QB THAT FITS THAT SYSTEM. Sick of seeing us try and use circle pieces in square holes. With Blake it was a slow move from what we want him to do and work to improve to restricting the O to what he could do and damage limitation
4- Add depth on O. Going to be hard with the cap, going to have to hit a few diamonds and draft has to be near perfect.
5- No more excuses. Yes injuries have been brutal for the O and the constant turnover hasn't allowed them to build rhythm. What i don't want is the first bump in the road to be a reason to let a season go. The journey from September to February is long and brutal, your going to have injuries, your going to have bad games but next season has to be a true change of mentality from the top down in this franchise.
Agree, it's fun watching some cry about a win. Only if we can upset the Texans next week and then to the best time of the year, the draft lol
(12-23-2018, 06:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:13 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm happy we showed some fight today, Kessler's backwards throw fumble will confuse and amuse for a while.
This off season goes like this
1- Decide if Marrone stays or goes
2- Hire an OC that runs a system that fits with what TC and Marrone want
3- FIND A QB THAT FITS THAT SYSTEM. Sick of seeing us try and use circle pieces in square holes. With Blake it was a slow move from what we want him to do and work to improve to restricting the O to what he could do and damage limitation
4- Add depth on O. Going to be hard with the cap, going to have to hit a few diamonds and draft has to be near perfect.
5- No more excuses. Yes injuries have been brutal for the O and the constant turnover hasn't allowed them to build rhythm. What i don't want is the first bump in the road to be a reason to let a season go. The journey from September to February is long and brutal, your going to have injuries, your going to have bad games but next season has to be a true change of mentality from the top down in this franchise.
Agree, it's fun watching some cry about a win. Only if we can upset the Texans next week and then to the best time of the year, the draft lol
LOL, April football baby!!!
(12-23-2018, 06:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:13 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm happy we showed some fight today, Kessler's backwards throw fumble will confuse and amuse for a while.
This off season goes like this
1- Decide if Marrone stays or goes
2- Hire an OC that runs a system that fits with what TC and Marrone want
3- FIND A QB THAT FITS THAT SYSTEM. Sick of seeing us try and use circle pieces in square holes. With Blake it was a slow move from what we want him to do and work to improve to restricting the O to what he could do and damage limitation
4- Add depth on O. Going to be hard with the cap, going to have to hit a few diamonds and draft has to be near perfect.
5- No more excuses. Yes injuries have been brutal for the O and the constant turnover hasn't allowed them to build rhythm. What i don't want is the first bump in the road to be a reason to let a season go. The journey from September to February is long and brutal, your going to have injuries, your going to have bad games but next season has to be a true change of mentality from the top down in this franchise.
Agree, it's fun watching some cry about a win. Only if we can upset the Texans next week and then to the best time of the year, the draft lol
that would be great to spoil the texans chances
(12-23-2018, 06:13 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either. I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs.
I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems.
I
do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft. It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.
(12-23-2018, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:13 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either. I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs.
I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems.
I do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft. It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.
Nailed it!!
(12-23-2018, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:13 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either. I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs.
I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems.
I do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft. It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.
What if it took cutting a guy like Cambell along with the obvious ones of course, means we could get Foles and still draft a QB early? I really think that would be the best route. I'd really like to keep Campbell but if that's what it takes to get Foles I would do it
(12-23-2018, 06:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, it's fun watching some cry about a win. Only if we can upset the Texans next week and then to the best time of the year, the draft lol
Some people are able to delay their gratification. I understand the brief dopamine shot of a win is a powerful drug for a couple of hours, but us drafting a handful of picks higher could easily impact our franchise for a decade or more.
(12-23-2018, 06:36 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, it's fun watching some cry about a win. Only if we can upset the Texans next week and then to the best time of the year, the draft lol
Some people are able to delay their gratification. I understand the brief dopamine shot of a win is a powerful drug for a couple of hours, but us drafting a handful of picks higher could easily impact our franchise for a decade or more.
It could, but it also might not. We have always had top picks and how has that worked? The Saints and other teams pick later than us and kill it. We just have to make the right picks. If Dave or whoever has a hard time hitting on our picks where we will pick we have a much bigger problem than where we pick and that's the biggest issue
(12-23-2018, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:13 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either. I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs.
I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems.
I do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft. It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.
Your one of the good parts of this board NYC, you've made these points before and i completely agree with YOU. I know where your coming from, your looking at the bigger picture of it, trying t salvage something positive out of this season.
What i can't get is how some people seem to be annoyed that a team expected to be challenging in January, won their 5th game of the season. Yes we will address QB but some people seem to be hypnotized by rookies, it's hype and potential. We could easily bring in a vet or try and make a big trade, there's plenty of ways to go. Everything on that O needs fixing this off season and i'm unsure how helpful throwing a rookie QB and a that comes with it into the mix.
I'm sick of seeing us being the laughing stock. But i now what point you are making NYC.
(12-23-2018, 06:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either. I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs.
I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems.
I do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft. It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.
What if it took cutting a guy like Cambell along with the obvious ones of course, means we could get Foles and still draft a QB early? I really think that would be the best route. I'd really like to keep Campbell but if that's what it takes to get Foles I would do it
I think Foles is going to command a $90+ million deal.
It's gonna take more than cutting Campbell - and it'll adversely affect the potential of keeping Ramsey/Ngakoue/Jack.
I mean, if they can work some sorcery that doesn't cripple our defense - I'd love for Foles to play for the Jags next year.
(12-23-2018, 06:40 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either. I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs.
I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems.
I do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft. It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.
Your one of the good parts of this board NYC, you've made these points before and i completely agree with YOU. I know where your coming from, your looking at the bigger picture of it, trying t salvage something positive out of this season.
What i can't get is how some people seem to be annoyed that a team expected to be challenging in January, won their 5th game of the season. Yes we will address QB but some people seem to be hypnotized by rookies, it's hype and potential. We could easily bring in a vet or try and make a big trade, there's plenty of ways to go. Everything on that O needs fixing this off season and i'm unsure how helpful throwing a rookie QB and a that comes with it into the mix.
I'm sick of seeing us being the laughing stock. But i now what point you are making NYC.
10-4
Thank you for that - and we're on the same page.
I enjoyed the win today.
(12-23-2018, 06:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What if it took cutting a guy like Cambell along with the obvious ones of course, means we could get Foles and still draft a QB early? I really think that would be the best route. I'd really like to keep Campbell but if that's what it takes to get Foles I would do it
I think Foles is going to command a $90+ million deal.
It's gonna take more than cutting Campbell - and it'll adversely affect the potential of keeping Ramsey/Ngakoue/Jack.
You saying he gets 90 mil guaranteed?
(12-23-2018, 06:40 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either. I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs.
I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems.
I do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft. It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.
Your one of the good parts of this board NYC, you've made these points before and i completely agree with YOU. I know where your coming from, your looking at the bigger picture of it, trying t salvage something positive out of this season.
What i can't get is how some people seem to be annoyed that a team expected to be challenging in January, won their 5th game of the season. Yes we will address QB but some people seem to be hypnotized by rookies, it's hype and potential. We could easily bring in a vet or try and make a big trade, there's plenty of ways to go. Everything on that O needs fixing this off season and i'm unsure how helpful throwing a rookie QB and a that comes with it into the mix.
I'm sick of seeing us being the laughing stock. But i now what point you are making NYC.
It's a QB league. If you don't have one you are screwed and we don't currently have one. The higher you are in the draft the better you are equipped to solve that problem, especially in a weak class like this.
Winning today doesn't make that impossible (always good to beat a Florida team) , just makes it harder and when you have a front office that can't evaluate the QB position you wanna make it as easy as possible for them to get the job done.
I don't agree that we could easily bring in a vet or make a big trade to fix the position for the next 5 years.
Foles gets like 20 million a year and probably a deal set up like 4 years with a team option after the 2nd year.
Yeh, great. We beat the dolphins. Because of Blake's dead money, were drafting a QB in the first round, that's a given. 4 slots in the draft is a lot of meaningful capital that we just lost. That's equivalent to out franchise flooding a second round draft pick roughly.
Tank? You can't coach players to loose. But you can bench players that u know u won't retain so that your win total and thus draft capital are a true economic reflection of ur talent level
(12-23-2018, 06:47 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:40 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Your one of the good parts of this board NYC, you've made these points before and i completely agree with YOU. I know where your coming from, your looking at the bigger picture of it, trying t salvage something positive out of this season.
What i can't get is how some people seem to be annoyed that a team expected to be challenging in January, won their 5th game of the season. Yes we will address QB but some people seem to be hypnotized by rookies, it's hype and potential. We could easily bring in a vet or try and make a big trade, there's plenty of ways to go. Everything on that O needs fixing this off season and i'm unsure how helpful throwing a rookie QB and a that comes with it into the mix.
I'm sick of seeing us being the laughing stock. But i now what point you are making NYC.
It's a QB league. If you don't have one you are screwed and we don't currently have one. The higher you are in the draft the better you are equipped to solve that problem, especially in a weak class like this.
Winning today doesn't make that impossible (always good to beat a Florida team) , just makes it harder and when you have a front office that can't evaluate the QB position you wanna make it as easy as possible for them to get the job done.
I don't agree that we could easily bring in a vet or make a big trade to fix the position for the next 5 years.
Foles gets like 20 million a year and probably a deal set up like 4 years with a team option after the 2nd year.
I completely get the logic of tanking and I agree that QB is going to be the top priority and who knows what the FO are thinking. They may have someone they like or think they can get and that may have an effect on the OC.
My main points are I want a QB who fits what we are trying to build in terms of O. Do we want a big arm slinger? Do we want accurate short to mid throws? Do we want a mobile QB? I think when we decide what we want them to do, they seem to want to stay with a strong focus on running, it becomes a lot easier finding what your looking for. I don't want A QB just because we drafted him #5, does he have the skill set were looking for.
My other point is I hate making losing acceptable or a better choice. This teams last 15 years have been awful and no team should be bad for that long. The game is designed to help improve bad teams and we have never had a 5-6 year span of being one of the better teams in the league. After the success of last season and many players talking of turning a corner, I worry about the long term effects to a team like ours when a 3 win season is OK as we'll draft a guy to replace one of you.
I may be over reacting but I've lost count of how many times we've only been x away.
(12-23-2018, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:13 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys make me laugh. Angry that we won. Annoyed that we are now 9th in the draft order (like that's low), and seem to think a rookie QB is the answer to all this teams problems.
I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either. I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs.
I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems.
I do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft. It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.
I acknowledge that I enjoyed the Jaguars beating the fish and extinguishing whatever flicker of playoff hope they had. But it hurts our draft position.
My question to you is why must we "draft a QB early?"
(12-23-2018, 06:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-23-2018, 06:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think Foles is going to command a $90+ million deal.
It's gonna take more than cutting Campbell - and it'll adversely affect the potential of keeping Ramsey/Ngakoue/Jack.
You saying he gets 90 mil guaranteed?
Cousins just got 84 mil guaranteed. *shrug*
Stands to reason Foles deal will be similar.