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Yay! We had a meaningless win. Wooptidoo! Unless said meaningless win is preventing the tacks or the pats from entering the playoffs who cares?

(12-23-2018, 07:12 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 06:47 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's a QB league. If you don't have one you are screwed and we don't currently have one. The higher you are in the draft the better you are equipped to solve that problem, especially in a weak class like this.   

Winning today doesn't make that impossible (always good to beat a Florida team) , just makes it harder and when you have a front office that can't evaluate the QB position you wanna make it as easy as possible for them to get the job done.  

I don't agree that we could easily bring in a vet or make a big trade to fix the position for the next 5 years.

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Foles gets like 20 million a year and probably a deal set up like 4 years with a team option after the 2nd year.

I completely get the logic of tanking and I agree that QB is going to be the top priority and who knows what the FO are thinking. They may have someone they like or think they can get and that may have an effect on the OC. 

My main points are I want a QB who fits what we are trying to build in terms of O. Do we want a big arm slinger? Do we want accurate short to mid throws? Do we want a mobile QB? I think when we decide what we want them to do, they seem to want to stay with a strong focus on running, it becomes a lot easier finding what your looking for. I don't want A QB just because we drafted him #5, does he have the skill set were looking for.

My other point is I hate making losing acceptable or a better choice. This teams last 15 years have been awful and no team should be bad for that long. The game is designed to help improve bad teams and we have never had a 5-6 year span of being one of the better teams in the league. After the success of last season and many players talking of turning a corner, I worry about the long term effects to a team like ours when a 3 win season is OK as we'll draft a guy to replace one of you. 

I may be over reacting but I've lost count of how many times we've only been x away.

The aim should be the to get the best QB possible and then fit your offense around him, regardless of how he plays.  The skillset doesn't matter much unless they are good enough. 

We aren't just a QB away, it's just the most important part of the puzzle that will improve every aspect of our performance.

(12-23-2018, 07:12 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not angry we won. I despise the tanking concept.  
I'm not annoyed we're at #9 right now either.  I think we'll end up with a free shot at a really talented player, and probably one of the top two QBs. 

I've also seen not a single poster on the board state that a rookie QB is the answer to all the problems. 

I do think that the Jaguars absolutely, beyond a shadow of any doubt, unequivocally, MUST draft a QB early in this draft.  It's obviously not an easy fix to the long list of issues to be addressed, but the most important player position on the team must be addressed and the team would have to cripple their defense to afford a high priced free agent. Drafting the next guy is the financially wise way to work toward the fix.

I acknowledge that I enjoyed the Jaguars beating the fish and extinguishing whatever flicker of playoff hope they had.  But it hurts our draft position.

My question to you is why must we "draft a QB early?"

Unless they have some sort of bead on a guy that projects later. Seems risky in this crop, though. 
(I don't think Grier falls to the second like many do)

I'm no draft guru by any stretch - but the little bit of armchair analysis I've done makes it seem there are 4 top prospects - two of them look like they may be potential starters at some point in their rookie years. Again - that's a very amateur analysis of what I see from this QB class right now.  (it's still early) 

If the Jags don't spend big on a FA QB (and I don't think they will) then getting a rookie that can get on the field sooner than later will be very valuable given their other prospects at the position. 

That - to me - means taking one early.

(12-23-2018, 07:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 07:12 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I acknowledge that I enjoyed the Jaguars beating the fish and extinguishing whatever flicker of playoff hope they had.  But it hurts our draft position.

My question to you is why must we "draft a QB early?"

Unless they have some sort of bead on a guy that projects later. Seems risky in this crop, though. 
(I don't think Grier falls to the second like many do)

I'm no draft guru by any stretch - but the little bit of armchair analysis I've done makes it seem there are 4 top prospects - two of them look like they may be potential starters at some point in their rookie years. Again - that's a very amateur analysis of what I see from this QB class right now.  (it's still early) 

If the Jags don't spend big on a FA QB (and I don't think they will) then getting a rookie that can get on the field sooner than later will be very valuable given their other prospects at the position. 

That - to me - means taking one early.

I get that...but for those who argue draft position doesn't matter...if what you (plural) say is true, it shouldn't matter when in the draft the Jaguars take a QB.

But you are saying we definitely should take one early, and you don't believe Grier will be there in round 2.

Looking like we're going to have to trade away valuable picks now if we want to get the QB...

If there is a QB we like in this draft we can trade up ahead of the Giants, I’m not worried.

I’m more worried there won’t be a QB in this draft that we like

(12-23-2018, 07:30 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 07:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Unless they have some sort of bead on a guy that projects later. Seems risky in this crop, though. 
(I don't think Grier falls to the second like many do)

I'm no draft guru by any stretch - but the little bit of armchair analysis I've done makes it seem there are 4 top prospects - two of them look like they may be potential starters at some point in their rookie years. Again - that's a very amateur analysis of what I see from this QB class right now.  (it's still early) 

If the Jags don't spend big on a FA QB (and I don't think they will) then getting a rookie that can get on the field sooner than later will be very valuable given their other prospects at the position. 

That - to me - means taking one early.

I get that...but for those who argue draft position doesn't matter...if what you (plural) say is true, it shouldn't matter when in the draft the Jaguars take a QB.

But you are saying we definitely should take one early, and you don't believe Grier will be there in round 2.

Of course draft position matters. Especially when you're (ostensibly) targeting a position that is overdrafted by a few teams each year. 

I just really hate the concept of intentionally losing games, and I can't bear to root for my team to lose. So on a day like today I root for my team to win, but I don't get upset if they lose.

(12-23-2018, 06:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 06:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What if it took cutting a guy like Cambell along with the obvious ones of course, means we could get Foles and still draft a QB early?  I really think that would be the best route.  I'd really like to keep Campbell but if that's what it takes to get Foles I would do it

I think Foles is going to command a $90+ million deal.  

It's gonna take more than cutting Campbell - and it'll adversely affect the potential of keeping Ramsey/Ngakoue/Jack.
I mean, if they can work some sorcery that doesn't cripple our defense - I'd love for Foles to play for the Jags next year. 

At the the very minimum, Foles is going to get a Case Keenum like contract. 2 years - $40m with $25m guaranteed. That's going to be his bottom dollar numbers, without a doubt imo.

I think he'll get more than that though considering the run he had last year and now this year.

(12-23-2018, 07:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 07:30 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I get that...but for those who argue draft position doesn't matter...if what you (plural) say is true, it shouldn't matter when in the draft the Jaguars take a QB.

But you are saying we definitely should take one early, and you don't believe Grier will be there in round 2.

Of course draft position matters. Especially when you're (ostensibly) targeting a position that is overdrafted by a few teams each year. 

I just really hate the concept of intentionally losing games, and I can't bear to root for my team to lose. So on a today like today I root for my team to win, but I don't get upset if they lose.

Pretty much the same for me.  If we lost I really wouldn't be that upset.  I just think if we pick 5 or we pick 10 it really wont matter near as much as some think.  Some want to trade 3 first round picks to move up fo a guy that might even be there when we pick lol

I am so used to losing it really didn't matter to me. Now if we had absolutely anything to play for and didn't need a quarterback in THIS draft in the worst way by all means win. If we needed any other position it would be a diff story. Q B is always overdrafted.. Sign me up for wanting to lose next week. That win didn't get me excited at all. I would rather have the best possible chance to secure the future of the franchise or at least give hope to getting better than win a few trivial mean nothing games at the end of a lost bitter season.

Call me a bad fan if you want. I could care less.

(12-23-2018, 07:44 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 06:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think Foles is going to command a $90+ million deal.  

It's gonna take more than cutting Campbell - and it'll adversely affect the potential of keeping Ramsey/Ngakoue/Jack.
I mean, if they can work some sorcery that doesn't cripple our defense - I'd love for Foles to play for the Jags next year. 

At the the very minimum, Foles is going to get a Case Keenum like contract. 2 years - $40m with $25m guaranteed. That's going to be his bottom dollar numbers, without a doubt imo.

I think he'll get more than that though considering the run he had last year and now this year.

I like Foles as a short term option, but as an expensive long term solution. No.

Foles is staying in Philly.

(12-23-2018, 10:50 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Foles is staying in Philly.

Do the Jags trade for Carson Wentz

(12-23-2018, 10:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 07:44 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]At the the very minimum, Foles is going to get a Case Keenum like contract. 2 years - $40m with $25m guaranteed. That's going to be his bottom dollar numbers, without a doubt imo.

I think he'll get more than that though considering the run he had last year and now this year.

I like Foles as a short term option, but as an expensive long term solution. No.

Sure, if we didn't have to eat $16m for Bortles..

This team isn't eating Bortles' $, then paying another FA QB $20m+ per year. It's either a Rookie, or Bortles at this point.

(12-23-2018, 10:56 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 10:50 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Foles is staying in Philly.

Do the Jags trade for Carson Wentz

Hell no.  He was injured last year and injured this year.  That would be a waste.

(12-23-2018, 10:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2018, 10:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I like Foles as a short term option, but as an expensive long term solution. No.

Sure, if we didn't have to eat $16m for Bortles..

This team isn't eating Bortles' $, then paying another FA QB $20m+ per year. It's either a Rookie, or Bortles at this point.

I could see us going after Foles and cutting Bortles but if we did that I dont think we would draft a QB early.  We would make Foles our future QB

Philly will not let Foles leave.....just facts.

(12-23-2018, 11:18 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ]Philly will not let Foles leave.....just facts.

They're gonna pay 20mil for a backup QB?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...rb-catches

Bortles could be as low as a 5 mil. cap hit next year if a team were to sign him for 6.5 mil. I think he needs to start next week and hopefully he balls out to where a team will sign him. The more he makes next year with another team the more it saves us, up to 6.5 mil

(12-23-2018, 11:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...rb-catches

Bortles could be as low as a 5 mil. cap hit next year if a team were to sign him for 6.5 mil.  I think he needs to start next week and hopefully he balls  out to where a team will sign him.  The more he makes next year with another team the more it saves us, up to 6.5 mil