(12-27-2018, 11:02 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018, 04:35 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You don't need to rebuild the team you have talent like we have. Rebuilding teams don't have young talent like Ramsey, Yannick, Jack, Dede etc. Linder, Bouye, Telvin all have played at a pro bowl level prior to this down year for everyone and are under the age of 28.
The biggest question mark is about this teams front office and coaching staff not the talent base.
The current front office got us into this situation with no QB and the same people are being tasked with getting us out of it. That could easily set us back 5 years.
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I agree completely with the portion in bold. Harrison also played well for us, and whether you think he is a legit LT or should be moved to RT, Robinson can be a contributor for us for a while. I also think Fournette can still be a good player for us if he can get a healthy OL in front of him, and stop getting suspended. Norwell started playing better before he got hurt. Lots of talent here. Get them healthy and get them a QB and this team is back in contention.
As far as the italicized portion, switching GMs and coaches can also set us back five years. If, for example, we get guys that want us to run a 3-4, immediately Calais Campbell, Marcell Dareus, Telvin Smith and Myles Jack all become less effective if not completely obsolete. Besides, who knows if the new guys can pick a QB? While it is possible Caldwell has a blind spot for QBs, it's entirely possible he could get it right this time. If you count Fowler as a miss, how would you explain Ngakoue?
Yep a lot of teams would kill to have the talent we have.
Well Calais and Dareus would fit perfectly in a 3-4. Calais was a pro bowl talent for years in Arizona's 3-4 and Dareus can play nose or end if needs be. Telvin and Jack would still be nickel backers most of the time so I'd probably still be fine with them inside. I know this is separate topic but I don't really get the allure of a 3-4 unless you have one of the top coaches. Its much more complex to both install and run.
You see I think this front office has proven they have no idea how to evaluate QBs so I wouldn't give them a chance to prove me wrong again, the results would be too devastating if they continue as per usual. Someone who ties themselves to Bortles isn't someone who's opinion I value on the most important position in the nfl
(12-27-2018, 01:18 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018, 11:02 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ](emphasis added)
I agree completely with the portion in bold. Harrison also played well for us, and whether you think he is a legit LT or should be moved to RT, Robinson can be a contributor for us for a while. I also think Fournette can still be a good player for us if he can get a healthy OL in front of him, and stop getting suspended. Norwell started playing better before he got hurt. Lots of talent here. Get them healthy and get them a QB and this team is back in contention.
As far as the italicized portion, switching GMs and coaches can also set us back five years. If, for example, we get guys that want us to run a 3-4, immediately Calais Campbell, Marcell Dareus, Telvin Smith and Myles Jack all become less effective if not completely obsolete. Besides, who knows if the new guys can pick a QB? While it is possible Caldwell has a blind spot for QBs, it's entirely possible he could get it right this time. If you count Fowler as a miss, how would you explain Ngakoue?
Yep a lot of teams would kill to have the talent we have.
Well Calais and Dareus would fit perfectly in a 3-4. Calais was a pro bowl talent for years in Arizona's 3-4 and Dareus can play nose or end if needs be. Telvin and Jack would still be nickel backers most of the time so I'd probably still be fine with them inside. I know this is separate topic but I don't really get the allure of a 3-4 unless you have one of the top coaches. Its much more complex to both install and run.
You see I think this front office has proven they have no idea how to evaluate QBs so I wouldn't give them a chance to prove me wrong again, the results would be too devastating if they continue as per usual. Someone who ties themselves to Bortles isn't someone who's opinion I value on the most important position in the nfl
I agree with you on the bold. My biggest concern is not how bad they are at evaluating talent, but the talent that is actually available. We rolled the dice last year and lost in the most in probably the most profound way possible. We passed on adding talent in one of the deepest QB years the draft has seen along with passing on multiple FA's that shifted hands last off season. On one hand it was the ultimate show of commitment to our QB and on the other the hand a massive mistake because that QB turned out to suck. This offseason is really a crap shoot as far as who is available. Most of the QB's in this draft would likely have been 3-4th rounders last year and their doesn't appear to be a kurt cousins level FA in sight.
what I am getting at is this office might not have any judgement issue for qb talent this offseason because there is none to be judged.
It's becoming a closer and closer call. The problem is that he's so all over the map in terms of his performance. I'd give him around an A for his non-first round drafting, maybe a C+ for his free agency picks, but an absolute F-minus for his first round picks. And, first round picks are the life-blood of a franchise. You can't consistently miss on those and succeed, even if you do well in other rounds. I'd probably keep him for now, but could be convinced wither way. One thing is for sure: He (and TC) definitely need to nail this off-season.
The first round pick is not nearly as important to nail as it was when rookie salaries weren't capped. It hurt much more back then if you missed on a first rounder. Especially if you were picking at the top of the draft and even more so if you were picking a QB in the top of the first round.
in what normal, every day-man world can you fail at your job year after year and not get fired?
(12-27-2018, 03:06 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]in what normal, every day-man world can you fail at your job year after year and not get fired?
Failure is in the eye of the beholder.
(12-27-2018, 03:06 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]in what normal, every day-man world can you fail at your job year after year and not get fired?
Since when is a General Manager of one of 32 Professional Football teams a "normal job"? What is considered a "failure" of the position?
(12-27-2018, 07:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018, 03:06 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]in what normal, every day-man world can you fail at your job year after year and not get fired?
Since when is a General Manager of one of 32 Professional Football teams a "normal job"?
Indeed. As of 3 years ago, there were about 1.2 million MDs and 5.5+ million PhD level workers in the States.
We all know an NFL GM rises way ahead of the totem pole of them docs.
Normal job? An NFL franchise is bigger than life.
We all know the players don't even understand the game. So complex, so interweaving, so juxtaposed.
(12-28-2018, 06:47 AM)BritJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2018, 07:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Since when is a General Manager of one of 32 Professional Football teams a "normal job"?
Indeed. As of 3 years ago, there were about 1.2 million MDs and 5.5+ million PhD level workers in the States.
We all know an NFL GM rises way ahead of the totem pole of them docs.
Normal job? An NFL franchise is bigger than life.
We all know the players don't even understand the game. So complex, so interweaving, so juxtaposed.
One thing's for sure, most doctors don't have armchair quarterbacks from around the world hangin out on the internet critiquing their every fart or burp.
(12-28-2018, 12:03 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2018, 06:47 AM)BritJag Wrote: [ -> ]Indeed. As of 3 years ago, there were about 1.2 million MDs and 5.5+ million PhD level workers in the States.
We all know an NFL GM rises way ahead of the totem pole of them docs.
Normal job? An NFL franchise is bigger than life.
We all know the players don't even understand the game. So complex, so interweaving, so juxtaposed.
One thing's for sure, most doctors don't have armchair quarterbacks from around the world hangin out on the internet critiquing their every fart or burp.
And have millions upon millions watching on television - and because of that strenuous television watching feel they are qualified to be an NFL General Manager.
(12-28-2018, 01:39 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2018, 12:03 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]One thing's for sure, most doctors don't have armchair quarterbacks from around the world hangin out on the internet critiquing their every fart or burp.
And have millions upon millions watching on television - and because of that strenuous television watching feel they are qualified to be an NFL General Manager.
I can do that lived transplant, I've watched Discovery Channel for over 10 years now. Plus I beat the Nobel Laureate level on Johns-Hopkins for PS4 and I won my Fantasy Medical Practice league 3 years running!
Sitting in CHA waiting for 8:30 flight back to JAX. Been watching CHI @ MIN, entertaining.
Frankly, I'd like to see Caldwell, Marrone, and Coughlin fired. In the world of performance expectations and what have you done for me lately all three failed spectacularly.
Ask yourself this would your boss(es) find this years catastrophic personnel decisions, play-calling, and lack of discipline acceptable? Not in my world.
#27, see ya. #24, don't let the door hit ya where the good lawd split ya. Cause and effect, perform or be gone. The inmates are running the asylum.
Hope to be home by 11:30. American Airlines sucks.
Should he? Yes.
Will he? Extremely unlikely. Decisions have been reversed before, but I see Khan sticking with his release statement.