(12-30-2018, 09:08 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2018, 09:06 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/tealtalk/status/1079537799324422145
What’s even more hilarious is that no one outside of a small group of people (I was one of the few) wanted Lamar Jackson. Now everyone is going goo goo over him.
I didn’t want Jackson. However, had someone said your two choices are Lamar Jackson or Taven Bryan, I would have picked Lamar.
Terrible. Caldwell manned the draft from 2013-2016. In that time he picked the following notable players...just keep in mind I'm saying notable, as some might just be flash in the pan type players: Allen Robinson, Brandon Linder, Aaron Colvin, Telvin Smith, Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Yannick Ngakoue. That's it. A-Rob didn't do much in Chicago and had one good year, Linder is solid and was a great pick, Colvin had great year as a nickel guy and is an ok outside corner, Telvin is solid but had a down year, Jalen is the man, Myles Jack is ok (maybe most overhyped person on the team), and Yannick is damn good but had a down year. That's seven guys in 4 years, two of which aren't on the team anymore and others that are just ok. That's terrible. Period. Also, there's of course the busts with Bortles and Fowler.
Let's look at Coughlin's 2012-2015 drafts with the Giants...Justin Pugh, Odell Beckham, Landon Collins, and that's it. I'm serious.
Then these guys get together and have a lucky 2017 season because they played a laughable schedule, had an amazing defense, and actually hit some home runs on free agency. But Super Bowl winning teams hit home runs in the draft and free agency seals the deal. Caldwell and Coughlin can't evaluate talent effectively. Coughlin wants to run the ball and play this old school football. Well guess what, it's a new game. You're a dinosaur Coughln and you didn't evolve. That isn't how to win in this league anymore. Did we win any games because of Bortles in 2017? No. Don't tell me we won against Pittsburgh in the playoffs because of him. He didn't play poorly, he played fine, but Hackett called a great game and Bortles hit 8 yard passes to wide open guys when he needed to.
Oh, and the Fournette pick looks worse with each game. Guy was always hurt in college and got shut down by good defenses. Running backs taken after Fourtnette? McCaffery, Davlin Cook (round 2), Joe Mixon (Round 2), Alvin Kamara (Round 3), Kareem Hunt (Round 3), James Connor (Round 3), Marlon Mack (Round 4).
Fournette 2017 stats: 3.9 Yards Per Carry. Terrible! Take away his 90 yard run against Pittsburgh and you're looking at 3.58!
Fournette 2018 statas: 3.3 Yards Per Carry.
He's awful.
Sorry to rant, but I haven't posted all year and had to let it out. Fire Caldwell, fire Coughlin, and fire Marrone for going with Coughlin's archaic ways. These guys believed in Bortles after 2017, and everybody knew it was a mistake.
Well, as long as we bring in a great OC and DC (they didn't say anything about Wash....), I'm ok with it. Caldwell definitely isn't gene smith and shack. But he's getting close with the 1st rd whiffs... I'm going to this years draft in nashville, so hopefully they choose more wisely this year!
Taven Bryant looks pretty garbage honestly.
Oh well. I think the 2018 draft will go down as one of our worst ever.
(12-30-2018, 08:22 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Buccaneers fire Dirk. Bad teams making changes. What a shock.
Not this bad team. We love sticking with status quo
(12-30-2018, 10:19 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]Taven Bryant looks pretty garbage honestly.
Oh well. I think the 2018 draft will go down as one of our worst ever.
David Caldwell has made several drafts look like the worst draft ever.
All i hear from Marrone is accountability. So who is held accountable for this dumpster fire of a team/season? Apparently nobody
Khan shows once again he is clueless about football and has no guts.
Caldwell should go... sometimes I forget this team and a lot of its fans love mediocrity.
(12-31-2018, 08:25 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Khan shows once again he is clueless about football and has no guts.
Caldwell should go... sometimes I forget this team and a lot of its fans love mediocrity.
Sounds like it was up to Tom on who he kept and why would Tom get rid of the perfect scapegoat for all his bad picks.
To be fair to Khan, he hired Coughlin. Coughlin is the guy that chose to keep Caldwell and hire Marrone last year.
Year 1 was a success.
Year 2 had an unusual high amount of injuries and we go 5-11.
The only chance we have is to keep the crew together and to get us back to 2017 as fast as possible. I think that’s how Coughlin sees it and that’s why no big changes have been made.
I think the change will be Bortles being gone.
I hope we go for a veteran qb that has some quality, like Fitzpatrick. He’s not a franchise qb but he’s better than what we had since Garrard basically.
idk how you can really say that we are going to have a bad season. Theres so many factors we don't know yet.
(12-31-2018, 08:25 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Khan shows once again he is clueless about football and has no guts.
Caldwell should go... sometimes I forget this team and a lot of its fans love mediocrity.
Khan has said on may occasions that he doesn't know football and doesn't make football decisions. He has football people who do that for him. Saying he has no guts is just disrespectful.
If this next season is trash, he will clean house.
(12-30-2018, 10:31 PM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2018, 08:22 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Buccaneers fire Dirk. Bad teams making changes. What a shock.
Not this bad team. We love sticking with status quo
Kind of like your posts huh?
(12-31-2018, 09:13 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]idk how you can really say that we are going to have a bad season. Theres so many factors we don't know yet.
(12-31-2018, 08:25 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Khan shows once again he is clueless about football and has no guts.
Caldwell should go... sometimes I forget this team and a lot of its fans love mediocrity.
Khan has said on may occasions that he doesn't know football and doesn't make football decisions. He has football people who do that for him. Saying he has no guts is just disrespectful.
If this next season is trash, he will clean house.
How about he tries to learn a lil bit and applies some logic and common sense? Caldwell has been awful and deserves to go. Coughlin has 2 seasons and no one can tell for sure what are his decisions but if he has major blame (Bortles extension, LF, Norwell etc) then fire him too.
It is obvious the people who give him advice suck too, so... Either way all this is Khan's fault too.
The problem with firing Caldwell is no good GM would come in with a lame duck coach. He would want to come in with his own coach. Caldwell and Marone should have been fired, this team is a reflection of their incompatence.
(12-31-2018, 11:03 AM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with firing Caldwell is no good GM would come in with a lame duck coach. He would want to come in with his own coach. Caldwell and Marone should have been fired, this team is a reflection of their incompatence.
doesn't matter. either they all turn it around, or they all go and we start from scratch. that means you too, Tom.
(12-31-2018, 10:41 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 09:13 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]idk how you can really say that we are going to have a bad season. Theres so many factors we don't know yet.
Khan has said on may occasions that he doesn't know football and doesn't make football decisions. He has football people who do that for him. Saying he has no guts is just disrespectful.
If this next season is trash, he will clean house.
How about he tries to learn a lil bit and applies some logic and common sense? Caldwell has been awful and deserves to go. Coughlin has 2 seasons and no one can tell for sure what are his decisions but if he has major blame (Bortles extension, LF, Norwell etc) then fire him too.
It is obvious the people who give him advice suck too, so... Either way all this is Khan's fault too.
Your common sense and logic is not his. you may have years of observing and reading the dealings of the NFL. He doesn't have that. He wanted a NFL team, so he bought a NFL team.
Everyone is blaming Caldwell but for the last 2 years, TC has had to sign off on any transactions. Now, he can make a point of his 1st rounders, I get it. But his other moves have set the foundations for a good defense. I know its the fan's prerogative to exemplify the negative, but DC has had some positive as well.
You trying to fire everybody sets us up for another rebuild. Is that what you really want? 4 more years of losing?
Jags Fans,
I feel for you because your owner completely screwed up by keeping the triad of Coughlin, Caldwell, and Marrone in place.
As a Bills fans, we used to have an old, clueless owner in Ralph Wilson. There were multiple times when everyone can see a change is needed, yet Wilson preached a phrase that all Bills fans roll their eyes at - “continuity.” As a result, he kept coaches/GM’s in place when he should have turned the page. Predictibly, the next season the team sucks. You see, continuity or stability only matters if you have good people in place. We’ve seen many examples of coaches who were kept in the name of stability that were fired yesterday (Bowles, Hue Jackson, Dirk Koetter, etc). It doesn’t work unless you have the right people, and I’m fairly certain Marrone is not the right perso .
Sorry but I see this happening for Jacksonville next season. Marrone did a terrible job in 2018. Yes there were injuries but there always are. There’s no excuse for the poor performance this year. Plus the team’s culture seems to be in disarray with the team’s marquee players (Ramsey and Fournette) having some serious issues.
Caldwell has also missed on a lot of picks, including the biggest whiff in Bortles, that he doubled down on. There is no way he should still be on the team.
Add a bad salary cap situation where several key pieces will need to be released, and I think you have a recipe for another bad 5 or 6 win season.
My prediction is that the Jags will need to rebuild their roster in 2020. I just feel bad that you’ll have to sit through another disappointing year until Khan will actually address changes.
All comes down to the QB decision. Whether that is get someone like Foles or take Haskins/Grier in the draft. If it doesn’t pan out we’ll be in the dumps for a while. O-line will be back to at least average, we just had an abnormally high amount of injuries there.
He's coached for three seasons - in Buffalo, he was 9-7, leading that moribund franchise to its first winning season in years. Last year he was 10-6, with two playoff wins. He's a good coach.
(12-31-2018, 11:22 AM)BuffaloRush Wrote: [ -> ]Jags Fans,
I feel for you because your owner completely screwed up by keeping the triad of Coughlin, Caldwell, and Marrone in place.
As a Bills fans, we used to have an old, clueless owner in Ralph Wilson. There were multiple times when everyone can see a change is needed, yet Wilson preached a phrase that all Bills fans roll their eyes at - “continuity.” As a result, he kept coaches/GM’s in place when he should have turned the page. Predictibly, the next season the team sucks. You see, continuity or stability only matters if you have good people in place. We’ve seen many examples of coaches who were kept in the name of stability that were fired yesterday (Bowles, Hue Jackson, Dirk Koetter, etc). It doesn’t work unless you have the right people, and I’m fairly certain Marrone is not the right perso .
Sorry but I see this happening for Jacksonville next season. Marrone did a terrible job in 2018. Yes there were injuries but there always are. There’s no excuse for the poor performance this year. Plus the team’s culture seems to be in disarray with the team’s marquee players (Ramsey and Fournette) having some serious issues.
Caldwell has also missed on a lot of picks, including the biggest whiff in Bortles, that he doubled down on. There is no way he should still be on the team.
Add a bad salary cap situation where several key pieces will need to be released, and I think you have a recipe for another bad 5 or 6 win season.
My prediction is that the Jags will need to rebuild their roster in 2020. I just feel bad that you’ll have to sit through another disappointing year until Khan will actually address changes.
lol