Why haven't we fired Milanovich yet? He sucked as a QB coach and was even worse as an OC.
I don't understand the Fewell, Hobby or Flaherty firings. I think it's a matter of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We lost some good position coaches.
(01-01-2019, 12:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the Fewell, Hobby or Flaherty firings. I think it's a matter of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We lost some good position coaches.
Big time. If they have some kind of plan to make the offense ultra modern I could see the vision but Oline coaches with that track record don't grow on trees.
Just feels like the front office will blame everyone but themselves
I was OK with Marrone coming back for just one more year to prove it, but this has me concerned that he doesn’t actually know what the problems are.
lol ... many of you wanted Heads To Roll! Well, heads are rolling and now you're griping? A new coach would have brought in all new staff anyway.
This is how coaching works. You start throwing guys overboard and hope they don't get to you. It's a tough profession, but they knew that going in.
Look at what happened in Atlanta - and they were in the Super Bowl two years ago. To keep your own job you have to fire friends. Tough way to make a living.
Oh well - it's not like we can tell who did well or poorly. Is it players or plays? Am I going to live in Jacksonville one year and Green Bay the next?
(01-01-2019, 09:56 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]lol ... many of you wanted Heads To Roll! Well, heads are rolling and now you're griping? A new coach would have brought in all new staff anyway.
This is how coaching works. You start throwing guys overboard and hope they don't get to you. It's a tough profession, but they knew that going in.
Look at what happened in Atlanta - and they were in the Super Bowl two years ago. To keep your own job you have to fire friends. Tough way to make a living.
Oh well - it's not like we can tell who did well or poorly. Is it players or plays? Am I going to live in Jacksonville one year and Green Bay the next?
Give us what we demand so we have something else to whine about!
(01-01-2019, 02:23 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]I was OK with Marrone coming back for just one more year to prove it, but this has me concerned that he doesn’t actually know what the problems are.
Yeah, it's just like when they benched Bortles and fired Hackett at the same time. Seems more like just some desperate thrashing around.
I foresee another top ten draft pick for the Jaguars next year.
(01-01-2019, 10:05 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 02:23 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]I was OK with Marrone coming back for just one more year to prove it, but this has me concerned that he doesn’t actually know what the problems are.
Yeah, is just like when they benched Bortles and died Hackett at the same time. Seems more like just some desperate thrashing around.
I foresee another top ten draft pick for the Jaguars next year.
Top 5 most likely. But in a good draft class with several QB's available, it might be just what the Jaguars need for the long-term. Get rid of Caldwell/Marrone and bring in a young QB.
(01-01-2019, 12:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the Fewell, Hobby or Flaherty firings. I think it's a matter of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We lost some good position coaches.
I've been buried with work and just getting caught up around here, but I tend to agree with this.
Now, the Fewell thing I can kind-of understand because of the number of busted coverages and clear instances wherein players were blatantly confused about their assignments.
However - that stuff seemed to largely get corrected. And the passing numbers against this defense certainly don't paint Fewell in a negative light.
Perhaps he and Wash just didn't agree on what went wrong/how to fix it.
I don't know enough about Flaherty to really comment - and the 2018 season for his group is pretty tough to judge with a rotating cast of scrap-heap players.
The Hobby thing is a serious head scratcher. I don't get what the issue is there. I almost want to assume it's something personal and not about player development. No clue. Seems like an odd firing to say the least.
(12-31-2018, 09:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Not a shocker after what's going on with our RBs
Yeah Wheatly was the problem! Accountability!
(12-31-2018, 10:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]What a disgrace. Throwing position coaches under the bus.
Hobby has done a good job. Pat Flahety is an excellent Oline coach who had us playing great last year despite minimal talent. No way any coach could have made a good line from what we had this year. Perry Fewell had DJ Hayden playing great, granted im not as mad about him going as the other two. DB play could have been much better.
The interesting parts to me are A) Wash staying and B) Tom is firing his boys, the guys he specifically brought in to steady the ship.
I'll be very surprised if they find an oline coach as good as Flaherty on the market, his track record speaks for himself
Comletely agree. No one would have had a top unit with what we were putting out there on the o-line.
Cutting limbs. Needed to cut the head. Pointless firings, the players disrespect Marrone. It's pretty much whatever.
(01-01-2019, 12:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the Fewell, Hobby or Flaherty firings. I think it's a matter of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We lost some good position coaches.
#becausemaronybologny
It makes no sense. Our DBs are the best in the league. The communication on the Defense called by the DC was the problem Walsh is the one who needs to go.
(01-01-2019, 12:31 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 12:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the Fewell, Hobby or Flaherty firings. I think it's a matter of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We lost some good position coaches.
#becausemaronybologny
It makes no sense. Our DBs are the best in the league. The communication on the Defense called by the DC was the problem Walsh is the one who needs to go.
And you know this how exactly?
(01-01-2019, 12:59 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 12:31 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]#becausemaronybologny
It makes no sense. Our DBs are the best in the league. The communication on the Defense called by the DC was the problem Walsh is the one who needs to go.
And you know this how exactly?
We should always trust people who dont even know the guy's name, it's a hallmark of credibility.
(01-01-2019, 11:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 12:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the Fewell, Hobby or Flaherty firings. I think it's a matter of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We lost some good position coaches.
I've been buried with work and just getting caught up around here, but I tend to agree with this.
Now, the Fewell thing I can kind-of understand because of the number of busted coverages and clear instances wherein players were blatantly confused about their assignments.
However - that stuff seemed to largely get corrected. And the passing numbers against this defense certainly don't paint Fewell in a negative light.
Perhaps he and Wash just didn't agree on what went wrong/how to fix it.
I don't know enough about Flaherty to really comment - and the 2018 season for his group is pretty tough to judge with a rotating cast of scrap-heap players.
The Hobby thing is a serious head scratcher. I don't get what the issue is there. I almost want to assume it's something personal and not about player development. No clue. Seems like an odd firing to say the least.
After I thought about it more last night, I thought of the busted coverages as the justification for canning Fewell. They were a problem, but overall, I don't think it was enough to fire him, but apparently Khan/TC/Caldwell/Marrone thought differently.
Thinking about the Hobby firing, and I wonder if he took the blame for the breakdowns in run defense or Bryan's slow development.
Was Wheatley required to fall on the sword for the lack of RB development?
I don't see why Flaherty took the blame at all considering the MASH unit the OL became starting week 2 with the loss of Robinson.
With retrospect granting me perhaps a little more understanding the moves a little more, at this point I still disagree with the moves.
Who was actually behind the firings? Since TC had a significant say in assembling the coaching staff, I wonder if Marrone was more eager to dismiss them than he otherwise would have been, or I wonder if TC had a hand in their dismissal as well. I wonder if Khan mandated heads roll because of what transpired.
What's more, given how brutal next year's schedule appears, the need for a franchise QB here, and the possibility Marrone enters this year on the hot seat, will that hurt the search for a quality OC, OL coach, RB coach, DL and secondary coaches?
(01-01-2019, 01:13 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 12:59 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]And you know this how exactly?
We should always trust people who dont even know the guy's name, it's a hallmark of credibility.
we already discussed my misspelling of names. im old dont wear my readers and to lazy to spell check.
I know this because it was stated by the head coach that communication into which defense is call weather zone or man to man or 2 deep or 3 deep it was not being communicated when it was called. That is what a Defenseive coordinator does he coordinates the defense and calls the defense in game. He is why we failed not the position coaches. so yea fire Wash
(01-01-2019, 01:24 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 01:13 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We should always trust people who dont even know the guy's name, it's a hallmark of credibility.
we already discussed my misspelling of names. im old dont wear my readers and to lazy to spell check.
I know this because it was stated by the head coach that communication into which defense is call weather zone or man to man or 2 deep or 3 deep it was not being communicated when it was called. That is what a Defenseive coordinator does he coordinates the defense and calls the defense in game. He is why we failed not the position coaches. so yea fire Wash
Sounds more like we missed Poz and his leadership.
I would assume that the offensive position coaches would be replaced anyway once the new offensive coordinator is hired.
(01-01-2019, 01:17 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]What's more, given how brutal next year's schedule appears, the need for a franchise QB here, and the possibility Marrone enters this year on the hot seat, will that hurt the search for a quality OC, OL coach, RB coach, DL and secondary coaches?
Makes you wonder for sure. I am not thrilled with 2019 being a rebound but we just don't know. With the tougher looking schedule I sure hope we make progress in the division. I am tired of the mounting losses there. It shows lack of pride, preparation and execution.