(01-01-2019, 02:18 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 01:17 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]What's more, given how brutal next year's schedule appears, the need for a franchise QB here, and the possibility Marrone enters this year on the hot seat, will that hurt the search for a quality OC, OL coach, RB coach, DL and secondary coaches?
Makes you wonder for sure. I am not thrilled with 2019 being a rebound but we just don't know. With the tougher looking schedule I sure hope we make progress in the division. I am tired of the mounting losses there. It shows lack of pride, preparation and execution.
(Emphasis added)
Do you realize we scored in single digits in five out of the six divisional games this year?
That is absolutely mind boggling.
(01-01-2019, 02:18 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 01:17 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]What's more, given how brutal next year's schedule appears, the need for a franchise QB here, and the possibility Marrone enters this year on the hot seat, will that hurt the search for a quality OC, OL coach, RB coach, DL and secondary coaches?
Makes you wonder for sure. I am not thrilled with 2019 being a rebound but we just don't know. With the tougher looking schedule I sure hope we make progress in the division. I am tired of the mounting losses there. It shows lack of pride, preparation and execution.
I am definitely not one to count chickens concerning a schedule that starts nine months from now.
(It
never plays out like you think it will)
Even if the better teams on that list of opponents remain healthy and imposing - the Jags defense should still remain capable of holding the majority of those opponents to reasonable numbers on the scoreboard.
The Jags don't need to turn into an offensive juggernaut overnight to be a competitive team next season. They need to start by just having a functional offense.
(01-01-2019, 02:35 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 02:18 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Makes you wonder for sure. I am not thrilled with 2019 being a rebound but we just don't know. With the tougher looking schedule I sure hope we make progress in the division. I am tired of the mounting losses there. It shows lack of pride, preparation and execution.
(Emphasis added)
Do you realize we scored in single digits in five out of the six divisional games this year?
That is absolutely mind boggling.
I agree and that is the real disappointment. As an expansion team we went after the division. We are punching bags and you are suppose to know your division better from 2x the games.
I don't disagree with you about schedule NYC it is just disappointing with division games for me.
(01-01-2019, 03:31 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 02:35 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ](Emphasis added)
Do you realize we scored in single digits in five out of the six divisional games this year?
That is absolutely mind boggling.
I agree and that is the real disappointment. As an expansion team we went after the division. We are punching bags and you are suppose to know your division better from 2x the games.
I don't disagree with you about schedule NYC it is just disappointing with division games for me.
Understood and agreed.
It's a trend they absolutely must reverse.
They making room for Tony as Oline coach, Freddy T as RB coach, and Mathis as DB coach? Lol
(01-01-2019, 12:18 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Cutting limbs. Needed to cut the head. Pointless firings, the players disrespect Marrone. It's pretty much whatever.
Stealing the metaphor I've used all year, tsk tsk.
But for real, as if we didn't already know...whole bunch of snakes running our team now.
Bortles article on jaguars site mentioned analytics. Yuck. Buckle in fans going to be a long off season. Expectations and failure to get close them sure shade an offseason. I didn't feel overly optimistic after the playoff run but it did seem we were poised for at least average not 5-11 with a huge losing streak thrown in
I'm not sold that this team CANT rebound next season, though the NFL execs may think otherwise. None of these moves are that surprising. RB coach definitely needed to go.
(01-01-2019, 07:01 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 12:18 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Cutting limbs. Needed to cut the head. Pointless firings, the players disrespect Marrone. It's pretty much whatever.
Stealing the metaphor I've used all year, tsk tsk.
But for real, as if we didn't already know...whole bunch of snakes running our team now.
It just applies so damn good to this situation lol.
(01-01-2019, 11:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2019, 12:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the Fewell, Hobby or Flaherty firings. I think it's a matter of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We lost some good position coaches.
I've been buried with work and just getting caught up around here, but I tend to agree with this.
Now, the Fewell thing I can kind-of understand because of the number of busted coverages and clear instances wherein players were blatantly confused about their assignments.
However - that stuff seemed to largely get corrected. And the passing numbers against this defense certainly don't paint Fewell in a negative light.
Perhaps he and Wash just didn't agree on what went wrong/how to fix it.
I don't know enough about Flaherty to really comment - and the 2018 season for his group is pretty tough to judge with a rotating cast of scrap-heap players.
The Hobby thing is a serious head scratcher. I don't get what the issue is there. I almost want to assume it's something personal and not about player development. No clue. Seems like an odd firing to say the least.
Yeah, I agree with both of you.
To be honest, as much as I love him, if we are talking about on-field produciton/improvements/results one would think McCardell would be the first one to go. Receivers leading the league in drops and everything. (Not that I necessarily think it's the WR coach fault). Or the TE coach would be the second one to go.
I mean one would think that the coaches related to a lack of a passing game would be the first ones out...yet we are firing at least 2 of the best position group coaches on the other side of the ball.
Wheatley was an expected move.
While Oline play was a disaster Flaherty was dealt an impossible hand. You see Olines throughout the league falling apart with just one starter missing, he had to be with a new LT/RT pretty much every week, 2nd, 3rd, even 4th string guys here and there. Damn the Giants season starting oline had on the right side Flowers and Omameh and they were so bad they got cut and we had to sign them to play on our left side (Omameh even at RT in some instances). It was that bad.
We'll see once the new OC gets named if something changes. At this point I think Wash stays...
We'll see, just surprised at some of these moves.
Sounds like a bunch of scapegoats to me.
I have absolutely no idea if any of these guys are good or not. So I have no real opinion about these being good or bad moves. As far as Wheatley, part of me wonders if this is his fault or if he just had the rotten luck of having a bunch of headcases at the position. If the latter, is it his job to "un-headcase" his players? The offensive line was in tatters, we had no legitimate passing game, injuries at the RB position coupled with some personality drama.... not sure a RB coach could have a worse situation to deal with. But maybe he was part of the problem.
As far as Keenan, we were talking him up a lot last year. I doubt he became a lousy coach overnight.
(01-02-2019, 12:32 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: pvvyn8pbfqtrn8c48u2v.jpg]](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--IcaoxEqn--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/pvvyn8pbfqtrn8c48u2v.jpg)
We're just here so we wont get fined.
And that we get paid.
I honestly don't like any of these firings so far. Doesn't make a ton of sense. How can you fault Wheatley, Flaherty and Fewell?
Wheatley was handed a stable of RB's that can't stay healthy. Fournette started eight games. Yeldon started five. Hyde started two. Grant was gone after the 5th game of the season. We pulled Jamaal Charles off the streets for a few weeks at one point. And then we activated David Williams off of someone's PS I believe.
Flaherty's ENTIRE offensive line was TRASHED throughout the season. Just obliterated. We had to bring back Omameh and sign Flowers mid season after we were down to our 3rd or 4th string LT. Norwell was in and out of a walking boot. Linder is always good for missing a game or two (or more) each year he's been here. Robinson was done early. Parnell couldn't finish. It was bad.
And Fewell? How the [BLEEP] does that work? The secondary still finished as one of the best in the NFL. That's in spite of Church blowing assignments, and then a rookie taking his place and being in and out and ending up on IR which technically means he was down to a 3rd string SS. Then we lost Bouye for a few games and I believe Hayden. AND.. that's on top of the defense being out on the field entirely too much thanks to the injuries and overall ineptitude of the offense to begin with!
ALL of these firings are head scratchers. Even Hackett's firing was a head scratcher when you look at the injuries going all the way back to Lee during the pre season. This is just a piss poor excuse for Marrone. A load of bull [BLEEP] really. I don't know what the [BLEEP] Coughlin is doing in that building either. Just a bunch of dumb [BLEEP] decisions being made so far. Not good...
Has ANYBODY been [BLEEP] fired yet from the strength and conditioning staff?
(01-04-2019, 04:26 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly don't like any of these firings so far. Doesn't make a ton of sense. How can you fault Wheatley, Flaherty and Fewell?
Wheatley was handed a stable of RB's that can't stay healthy. Fournette started eight games. Yeldon started five. Hyde started two. Grant was gone after the 5th game of the season. We pulled Jamaal Charles off the streets for a few weeks at one point. And then we activated David Williams off of someone's PS I believe.
Flaherty's ENTIRE offensive line was TRASHED throughout the season. Just obliterated. We had to bring back Omameh and sign Flowers mid season after we were down to our 3rd or 4th string LT. Norwell was in and out of a walking boot. Linder is always good for missing a game or two (or more) each year he's been here. Robinson was done early. Parnell couldn't finish. It was bad.
And Fewell? How the [BLEEP] does that work? The secondary still finished as one of the best in the NFL. That's in spite of Church blowing assignments, and then a rookie taking his place and being in and out and ending up on IR which technically means he was down to a 3rd string SS. Then we lost Bouye for a few games and I believe Hayden. AND.. that's on top of the defense being out on the field entirely too much thanks to the injuries and overall ineptitude of the offense to begin with!
ALL of these firings are head scratchers. Even Hackett's firing was a head scratcher when you look at the injuries going all the way back to Lee during the pre season. This is just a piss poor excuse for Marrone. A load of bull [BLEEP] really. I don't know what the [BLEEP] Coughlin is doing in that building either. Just a bunch of dumb [BLEEP] decisions being made so far. Not good...
Has ANYBODY been [BLEEP] fired yet from the strength and conditioning staff?
The speculation is that Wheatley ran a very soft RB room and let them do whatever they wanted - which helped create LF's diva attitude and Yeldon's lackadaisical body language.