(01-24-2019, 03:27 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's sad Amercians are so brainwashed by their press they'll believe everything their overlords tell them. Very 1984 esque.
I think most conservatives would agree, but you guys are no exception. You'd love to make this an America v. Venezuela issue when there are a whole lot more countries chiming in.
(01-24-2019, 04:53 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 03:27 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's sad Amercians are so brainwashed by their press they'll believe everything their overlords tell them. Very 1984 esque.
I think most conservatives would agree, but you guys are no exception. You'd love to make this an America v. Venezuela issue when there are a whole lot more countries chiming in.
Or the fact that we weren't even the first country to declare Maduro illegitimate at all. Venezuela has been going down the tubes for at least 6 years. Most people haven't been paying attention, but they are a living lesson in hyperinflation, and therefore I have been watching them the last couple of years especially since 2016. They are doing the same thing as Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. It didn't work for him, and it won't work for them. Forcible revolution is there only way out now, because Maduro has already suppressed the voters repeatedly. But hes a 'freely elected democratic socialist' according to him, so I guess he knows best
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No surprise the compassionate ones on our board want to stand with Putin as calling Maduro Legitimate, along with Cuba, Turkey and other allies of freedom.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...enezuelas/
I'm with JackCity on this. Legions of children should be able to go hungry and women should be allowed to sell their bodies for food without the meddling interference of the U.S.
(01-24-2019, 06:20 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 06:17 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm with JackCity on this. Legions of children should be able to go hungry and women should be allowed to sell their bodies for food old horsemeat without the meddling interference of the U.S.
corrected.
I will remain nonjudgmental about their clientele.
(01-24-2019, 06:25 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 06:20 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]corrected.
I will remain nonjudgmental about their clientele.
I mean its all good tho. Venezuela banned private gun ownership in 2012, so everything is peachy. Amazing how authoritarian dictators always seem to start with 'common sense gun laws'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18288430.
(01-24-2019, 06:25 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 06:20 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]corrected.
I will remain nonjudgmental about their clientele.
You almost owed me a new laptop. I was reading this thread as I was drinking a beer.
(01-24-2019, 03:12 PM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 01:56 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]Wow - a dictator who Donald doesn't bow down to. I guess he decided not to build that Trump Tower in Caracas.
Fact is - if these US actions were being taken by anyone other than Donald you'd have these "small government conservatives" yelling neocons, neocons! regime change, regime change! I thought that was the Bush/Obama agenda.
Iraq was all about the oil, right? But Venezuela is a humanitarian crises? My, how some people change with the wind.
You should at least be fair and mention Obama bowing down to China, Cuba, and Iran.
Ah, yes - good old whataboutism. Never a defense of Trump (is there any?), just the typical "what about Obama". Or Hillary, or AOC, or whomever Rush or Ann or Laura is babbling about.
How did Obama bow down to the countries you mentioned? And don't you know that Trump and China's dictator are best buds?
Why are we talking about Trump negotiating? He has to get approval from Ann. Just talk directly with her.
(01-25-2019, 10:57 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 03:12 PM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ]You should at least be fair and mention Obama bowing down to China, Cuba, and Iran.
Ah, yes - good old whataboutism. Never a defense of Trump (is there any?), just the typical "what about Obama". Or Hillary, or AOC, or whomever
You never respond to those posts. Just the ones you think best fit your copy-and-past posts.
(01-25-2019, 12:25 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2019, 10:57 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, yes - good old whataboutism. Never a defense of Trump (is there any?), just the typical "what about Obama". Or Hillary, or AOC, or whomever
You never respond to those posts. Just the ones you think best fit your copy-and-past posts.
What are you babbling about? I could write your opinions before you can. You think it's still 1932.
But you're a tough guy.
(01-25-2019, 10:57 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 03:12 PM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ]You should at least be fair and mention Obama bowing down to China, Cuba, and Iran.
Ah, yes - good old whataboutism. Never a defense of Trump (is there any?), just the typical "what about Obama". Or Hillary, or AOC, or whomever Rush or Ann or Laura is babbling about.
How did Obama bow down to the countries you mentioned? And don't you know that Trump and China's dictator are best buds?
Why are we talking about Trump negotiating? He has to get approval from Ann. Just talk directly with her.
Meh, I'm fine with having a guy in there who plays by their rules for a change. Being nice to the left has given us nothing but heartburn for decades.
(01-25-2019, 10:57 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 03:12 PM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ]You should at least be fair and mention Obama bowing down to China, Cuba, and Iran.
Ah, yes - good old whataboutism. Never a defense of Trump (is there any?), just the typical "what about Obama". Or Hillary, or AOC, or whomever Rush or Ann or Laura is babbling about.
How did Obama bow down to the countries you mentioned? And don't you know that Trump and China's dictator are best buds?
Why are we talking about Trump negotiating? He has to get approval from Ann. Just talk directly with her.
Forgive me, I thought you were implying Trump was different than previous Presidents, when in fact you were just wanting to rag on him without question. Carry on.
(01-25-2019, 03:37 PM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2019, 10:57 AM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, yes - good old whataboutism. Never a defense of Trump (is there any?), just the typical "what about Obama". Or Hillary, or AOC, or whomever Rush or Ann or Laura is babbling about.
How did Obama bow down to the countries you mentioned? And don't you know that Trump and China's dictator are best buds?
Why are we talking about Trump negotiating? He has to get approval from Ann. Just talk directly with her.
Forgive me, I thought you were implying Trump was different than previous Presidents, when in fact you were just wanting to rag on him without question. Carry on.
That's par for the course for him. He pops in with some weird tirade and then pops out. Never any substance.
(01-23-2019, 05:33 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-23-2019, 05:22 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Responding to your response to TRM, it's not just the Western Press that viewed the election as fraudulent. Many governments and large swaths of the Venezuelan population see it the same way.
Regarding your response to me, think about this for a bit. Countries/entities that call the election fraudulent include the United Nations, European Union, the Organization of American States, the Lima Group, Australia, Canada and the United States.
Countries that accept the Venezuelan election include China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria and Turkey.
Think about that for a bit.
Unfortunately I don't view the international world through the eyes of an American. The biggest foreign aggressor you mentioned there was the USA and they have a long track record of destabilising regimes and countries that doesn't help them.
The proof is in the pudding as they say.
So the fact that known communist/terrorist countries are the only ones who are in agreement with this is not a problem for you?
(01-25-2019, 01:47 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2019, 12:25 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]You never respond to those posts. Just the ones you think best fit your copy-and-past posts.
What are you babbling about? I could write your opinions before you can. You think it's still 1932.
But you're a tough guy.
*Conservative stuck in the past cliche* You're too predictable.
You can't even write your own opinions without someone feeding them to you.
(01-24-2019, 04:53 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 03:27 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's sad Amercians are so brainwashed by their press they'll believe everything their overlords tell them. Very 1984 esque.
I think most conservatives would agree, but you guys are no exception. You'd love to make this an America v. Venezuela issue when there are a whole lot more countries chiming in.
"You guys" refers to what exactly?
Well yeah, I've mentioned it's a western led thing, with the US being the most influential force on that end.
(01-24-2019, 06:17 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm with JackCity on this. Legions of children should be able to go hungry and women should be allowed to sell their bodies for food without the meddling interference of the U.S.
Ah yes....because the economic war imposed on Venezuela has nothing to do with the any if that. Lol
(01-25-2019, 06:26 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-23-2019, 05:33 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately I don't view the international world through the eyes of an American. The biggest foreign aggressor you mentioned there was the USA and they have a long track record of destabilising regimes and countries that doesn't help them.
The proof is in the pudding as they say.
So the fact that known communist/terrorist countries are the only ones who are in agreement with this is not a problem
Considering most of those countries take the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" approach not really. Also, America is far more nefarious threat on the global stage than someone like Iran, albeit you probably don't even see the imperialism at play.
Then again you might not even be able to see America's imperialism at play so you wouldn't
(01-25-2019, 11:53 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2019, 04:53 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]I think most conservatives would agree, but you guys are no exception. You'd love to make this an America v. Venezuela issue when there are a whole lot more countries chiming in.
"You guys" refers to what exactly?
Well yeah, I've mentioned it's a western led thing, with the US being the most influential force on that end.
You guys as in non-Americans.
Sure and then proceed to mention only America and imply America is the driving-factor behind everyone denouncing Maduro.
(01-26-2019, 12:04 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2019, 06:26 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]So the fact that known communist/terrorist countries are the only ones who are in agreement with this is not a problem
Considering most of those countries take the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" approach not really. Also, America is far more nefarious threat on the global stage than someone like Iran, albeit you probably don't even see the imperialism at play.
Then again you might not even be able to see America's imperialism at play so you wouldn't
Trump, if nothing else, has shown that he's most likely to take an isolationist approach. It sounds like you approve since it means the US is less likely to get involved in the affairs of others.
The US, by the way, is not the only country doing this. They're just the only ones people like to point out.
(01-26-2019, 06:32 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2019, 11:53 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]"You guys" refers to what exactly?
Well yeah, I've mentioned it's a western led thing, with the US being the most influential force on that end.
You guys as in non-Americans.
Sure and then proceed to mention only America and imply America is the driving-factor behind everyone denouncing Maduro.
(01-26-2019, 12:04 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Considering most of those countries take the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" approach not really. Also, America is far more nefarious threat on the global stage than someone like Iran, albeit you probably don't even see the imperialism at play.
Then again you might not even be able to see America's imperialism at play so you wouldn't
Trump, if nothing else, has shown that he's most likely to take an isolationist approach. It sounds like you approve since it means the US is less likely to get involved in the affairs of others.
The US, by the way, is not the only country doing this. They're just the only ones people like to point out.
Well for one America is the most influential country on that front and two I mentioned the Western media and Western forces too. Thats not *just* America.
Yes I welcome an isolationist approach. He's been much better than Obama in that regard, unfortunately this isn't an example of that isolationist approach.