Seeing the latest blip about Howard Schultz thinking about running as an independent in 2020 got me thinking. Hypothetically, if Schultz and Bernie throw their hat in the ring, this is surely a large enough threat to the Democrats to hand Trump a walk off home run in 2020.
It also got me wondering how vindictive a guy like Bernie Sanders could be. He got absolutely screwed by the Democrats in 2016, and seemed to handle it with "grace", but there has to be some serious animosity inside that un-combed head of his.
This could get interesting...
This upcoming election will be one of the most extreme, albeit diverse, groups in history. Socialism is the new buzz and sadly that bandwagon is gaining steam. To that, expect the candidates will also lean heavily on Trump bashing will little campaigning substance.
(01-27-2019, 06:53 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]This upcoming election will be one of the most extreme, albeit diverse, groups in history. Socialism is the new buzz and sadly that bandwagon is gaining steam. To that, expect the candidates will also lean heavily on Trump bashing will little campaigning substance.
That message ain't gonna fly in middle America though.
(01-27-2019, 06:56 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-27-2019, 06:53 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]This upcoming election will be one of the most extreme, albeit diverse, groups in history. Socialism is the new buzz and sadly that bandwagon is gaining steam. To that, expect the candidates will also lean heavily on Trump bashing will little campaigning substance.
That message ain't gonna fly in middle America though.
They'll fix that problem just as soon as they can get rid of that damn Electoral College that gives those hayseed rubes any kinda political power.
(01-27-2019, 06:48 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing the latest blip about Howard Schultz thinking about running as an independent in 2020 got me thinking. Hypothetically, if Schultz and Bernie throw their hat in the ring, this is surely a large enough threat to the Democrats to hand Trump a walk off home run in 2020.
It also got me wondering how vindictive a guy like Bernie Sanders could be. He got absolutely screwed by the Democrats in 2016, and seemed to handle it with "grace", but there has to be some serious animosity inside that un-combed head of his.
This could get interesting...
I think Sanders, if he won the primary, would beat Trump, as he would have in 2016. If he doesn't win the primary, I don't see him running as an independent. He's crazy, but he's not stupid. He knows that running as an independent won't get him in the White House, but it will piss off the Democrats to the point that he's basically kicked out of the party, even moreso than he was in 2016.
Schultz is not a threat to anything except good coffee.
No thanks. I've had it with people who have no political experience and try be president by "learning as they go."
(01-27-2019, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-27-2019, 06:56 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]That message ain't gonna fly in middle America though.
They'll fix that problem just as soon as they can get rid of that damn Electoral College that gives those hayseed rubes any kinda political power.
Middle America will have just as much power before and after the electoral college goes away.
Voters in the Dakotas and in Oklahoma would see ads for a general election for President for the first time that anyone can remember.
(01-27-2019, 06:56 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-27-2019, 06:53 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]This upcoming election will be one of the most extreme, albeit diverse, groups in history. Socialism is the new buzz and sadly that bandwagon is gaining steam. To that, expect the candidates will also lean heavily on Trump bashing will little campaigning substance.
That message ain't gonna fly in middle America though.
if you're talking about the message of socialism FDR and LBJ cleaned up all of those States with their socialist message.
If you're talking about the message of Trump bashing, these states were able to stomach the insults Trump and how to his opponents. Surely they can stomach some insults coming back the other way.
(01-28-2019, 08:59 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a solid opinion piece.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-wi...lurch-left
It is, but I think it's glossing over what the polls actually say in order to make its point. These aren't cherry-picked results from a couple of polls being exaggerated like what we saw happen with Hillary. There's little doubt that mainstream America is pissed off at Trump right now, whether he toots his own horn on his one and only success (GDP) or not, and all Democrats really need to do is find a candidate with the ability to win the primary
and sway independents who might be inclined to take the devil we know. Of course, that's kind of like putting a bunch of monkeys in a room with a football and asking them not to do unspeakable things to it.
(01-28-2019, 07:41 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-27-2019, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They'll fix that problem just as soon as they can get rid of that damn Electoral College that gives those hayseed rubes any kinda political power.
Middle America will have just as much power before and after the electoral college goes away.
Voters in the Dakotas and in Oklahoma would see ads for a general election for President for the first time that anyone can remember.
(01-27-2019, 06:56 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]That message ain't gonna fly in middle America though.
if you're talking about the message of socialism FDR and LBJ cleaned up all of those States with their socialist message.
If you're talking about the message of Trump bashing, these states were able to stomach the insults Trump and how to his opponents. Surely they can stomach some insults coming back the other way.
Please.... Speak more about this.
(01-28-2019, 09:39 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2019, 08:59 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a solid opinion piece.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-wi...lurch-left
It is, but I think it's glossing over what the polls actually say in order to make its point. These aren't cherry-picked results from a couple of polls being exaggerated like what we saw happen with Hillary. There's little doubt that mainstream America is pissed off at Trump right now, whether he toots his own horn on his one and only success (GDP) or not, and all Democrats really need to do is find a candidate with the ability to win the primary and sway independents who might be inclined to take the devil we know. Of course, that's kind of like putting a bunch of monkeys in a room with a football and asking them not to do unspeakable things to it.
Yeh... Economic growth is just a footnote. It's only the foundation for hundreds of millions of Americans and the global economy.
(01-28-2019, 09:39 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2019, 08:59 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a solid opinion piece.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-wi...lurch-left
It is, but I think it's glossing over what the polls actually say in order to make its point. These aren't cherry-picked results from a couple of polls being exaggerated like what we saw happen with Hillary. There's little doubt that mainstream America is pissed off at Trump right now, whether he toots his own horn on his one and only success (GDP) or not, and all Democrats really need to do is find a candidate with the ability to win the primary and sway independents who might be inclined to take the devil we know. Of course, that's kind of like putting a bunch of monkeys in a room with a football and asking them not to do unspeakable things to it.
But, are they pissed off at Trump MORE than the thought of the left's radical agenda? The reasons people are currently mad at Trump will subside, their agenda will only get worse as the primaries get closer.
(01-28-2019, 07:41 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-27-2019, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They'll fix that problem just as soon as they can get rid of that damn Electoral College that gives those hayseed rubes any kinda political power.
Middle America will have just as much power before and after the electoral college goes away.
Voters in the Dakotas and in Oklahoma would see ads for a general election for President for the first time that anyone can remember.
(01-27-2019, 06:56 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]That message ain't gonna fly in middle America though.
if you're talking about the message of socialism FDR and LBJ cleaned up all of those States with their socialist message.
If you're talking about the message of Trump bashing, these states were able to stomach the insults Trump and how to his opponents. Surely they can stomach some insults coming back the other way.
Are you saying they would have same power after as they do now? If so, I agree. They have no population, therefore limited power.
I was in North Dakota for a short period before/during/after the Presidential election. The people are very conservative and the TV ads were brutal. 99.9% Bernie and then switched over to 100% Clinton presidential ads. However, North Dakotans typically vote with their heads, not hearts or emotions. They bounce from Rep to Dem every few years. It is what is best for farmers, oil, and people in that order. They saw promise in Heitkamp when she was elected but quickly saw through her as her voting quickly went partisan and eventually solely for the lobbyists. The voting dynamic is split between Farmers/Middle & lower class and Teachers & Meds/Upper class. These would be the three highest employers in the state centered around the most populated areas of Grand Forks and Fargo.
Very few folks in the Dakotas would stomach a socialist agenda even if they agree on some Dem policies. Heck, they just passed laws for no DUI on horse or bike and they allow UTVs/ATVs on major roads!
(01-28-2019, 09:44 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2019, 09:39 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]It is, but I think it's glossing over what the polls actually say in order to make its point. These aren't cherry-picked results from a couple of polls being exaggerated like what we saw happen with Hillary. There's little doubt that mainstream America is pissed off at Trump right now, whether he toots his own horn on his one and only success (GDP) or not, and all Democrats really need to do is find a candidate with the ability to win the primary and sway independents who might be inclined to take the devil we know. Of course, that's kind of like putting a bunch of monkeys in a room with a football and asking them not to do unspeakable things to it.
But, are they pissed off at Trump MORE than the thought of the left's radical agenda? The reasons people are currently mad at Trump will subside, their agenda will only get worse as the primaries get closer.
Coming off the longest shutdown in government history, ultimately sort of resolved for now by Trump doing something he could have done weeks ago and with Trump threatening to take an unpopular move by declaring a hokey-pokey "national emergency" to fulfill a campaign promise?
Yeah, they're pissed. He's going to need more than 3% GDP to win re-election.
(01-28-2019, 09:55 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2019, 09:44 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]But, are they pissed off at Trump MORE than the thought of the left's radical agenda? The reasons people are currently mad at Trump will subside, their agenda will only get worse as the primaries get closer.
Coming off the longest shutdown in government history, ultimately sort of resolved for now by Trump doing something he could have done weeks ago and with Trump threatening to take an unpopular move by declaring a hokey-pokey "national emergency" to fulfill a campaign promise?
Yeah, they're pissed. He's going to need more than 3% GDP to win re-election.
They are pissed right now. Do you remember what you were pissed about 18 months ago?
(01-28-2019, 09:55 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2019, 09:44 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]But, are they pissed off at Trump MORE than the thought of the left's radical agenda? The reasons people are currently mad at Trump will subside, their agenda will only get worse as the primaries get closer.
Coming off the longest shutdown in government history, ultimately sort of resolved for now by Trump doing something he could have done weeks ago and with Trump threatening to take an unpopular move by declaring a hokey-pokey "national emergency" to fulfill a campaign promise?
Yeah, they're pissed. He's going to need more than 3% GDP to win re-election.
You know that unlike this message board, in elections it isn't the squeaky wheel that gets the grease? It might make for good media theatrics but that is where it ends. There is a large percentage that refuses to discuss politics because of the inevitable hate that will be fired back at them. Just like last election, there will be folks that put their vote where their mouth is. And with the Dems going all in on hate and socialism this early... yikes!
Also, I have to laugh when I read Trump's radical agenda. I suppose it would be radical compared to the Dems new hate direction. I'll put it this way. I can't stand Trump's public attitude but as far as policies, I have been in agreement about 95% of the time. The last Ominibus bill that he signed pissed me off and made me question my direction for 2020. With that said, with the Dems agenda for 2020 already thrown on the table, I know for a fact my vote would go for Trump over that mess. It's still early, but everyday the circus makes my decision more certain. Now, if the Dems would have taken a less radical approach and decided to put forth agendas that wasn't just stale recycled mess mixed with more hate, I'd listen and consider. They had a prime opportunity to turn the other cheek and counter the perception of the Trump government but instead have ramped up everything that Trump's base can't stand. There is not one Dem stance that makes me go 'hmmm', in a positive way.
(01-28-2019, 10:14 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2019, 09:55 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Coming off the longest shutdown in government history, ultimately sort of resolved for now by Trump doing something he could have done weeks ago and with Trump threatening to take an unpopular move by declaring a hokey-pokey "national emergency" to fulfill a campaign promise?
Yeah, they're pissed. He's going to need more than 3% GDP to win re-election.
You know that unlike this message board, in elections it isn't the squeaky wheel that gets the grease? It might make for good media theatrics but that is where it ends. There is a large percentage that refuses to discuss politics because of the inevitable hate that will be fired back at them. Just like last election, there will be folks that put their vote where their mouth is. And with the Dems going all in on hate and socialism this early... yikes!
Also, I have to laugh when I read Trump's radical agenda. I suppose it would be radical compared to the Dems new hate direction. I'll put it this way. I can't stand Trump's public attitude but as far as policies, I have been in agreement about 95% of the time. The last Ominibus bill that he signed pissed me off and made me question my direction for 2020. With that said, with the Dems agenda for 2020 already thrown on the table, I know for a fact my vote would go for Trump over that mess. It's still early, but everyday the circus makes my decision more certain. Now, if the Dems would have taken a less radical approach and decided to put forth agendas that wasn't just stale recycled mess mixed with more hate, I'd listen and consider. They had a prime opportunity to turn the other cheek and counter the perception of the Trump government but instead have ramped up everything that Trump's base can't stand. There is not one Dem stance that makes me go 'hmmm', in a positive way.
The question is though, is this the direction of ALL democratic candidates? What happens when the moderate democrats throw their hat in the ring, like Uncle Joe? Call me crazy, but I think Hillary is sitting back right now with her arms crossed and a Dr. Evil grin on her face and waiting to enter the primary as dare I say it, dare I say it..... the most "normal" moderate candidate in the field.
(01-28-2019, 10:19 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2019, 10:14 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]You know that unlike this message board, in elections it isn't the squeaky wheel that gets the grease? It might make for good media theatrics but that is where it ends. There is a large percentage that refuses to discuss politics because of the inevitable hate that will be fired back at them. Just like last election, there will be folks that put their vote where their mouth is. And with the Dems going all in on hate and socialism this early... yikes!
Also, I have to laugh when I read Trump's radical agenda. I suppose it would be radical compared to the Dems new hate direction. I'll put it this way. I can't stand Trump's public attitude but as far as policies, I have been in agreement about 95% of the time. The last Ominibus bill that he signed pissed me off and made me question my direction for 2020. With that said, with the Dems agenda for 2020 already thrown on the table, I know for a fact my vote would go for Trump over that mess. It's still early, but everyday the circus makes my decision more certain. Now, if the Dems would have taken a less radical approach and decided to put forth agendas that wasn't just stale recycled mess mixed with more hate, I'd listen and consider. They had a prime opportunity to turn the other cheek and counter the perception of the Trump government but instead have ramped up everything that Trump's base can't stand. There is not one Dem stance that makes me go 'hmmm', in a positive way.
The question is though, is this the direction of ALL democratic candidates? What happens when the moderate democrats throw their hat in the ring, like Uncle Joe? Call me crazy, but I think Hillary is sitting back right now with her arms crossed and a Dr. Evil grin on her face and waiting to enter the primary as dare I say it, dare I say it..... the most "normal" moderate candidate in the field.
I think her time has passed but I do agree that a seemingly more moderate Dem candidate could do very well in this climate.
(01-27-2019, 06:48 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing the latest blip about Howard Schultz thinking about running as an independent in 2020 got me thinking. Hypothetically, if Schultz and Bernie throw their hat in the ring, this is surely a large enough threat to the Democrats to hand Trump a walk off home run in 2020.
It also got me wondering how vindictive a guy like Bernie Sanders could be. He got absolutely screwed by the Democrats in 2016, and seemed to handle it with "grace", but there has to be some serious animosity inside that un-combed head of his.
This could get interesting...
Bernie got his face punched by Hillary's goons at the convention and rolled over like a soy boy Bernie Bro. He quit the Democratic Party the next day.
https://newspunch.com/dnc-witnesses-say-...assaulted/
(01-27-2019, 06:53 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]This upcoming election will be one of the most extreme, albeit diverse, groups in history. Socialism is the new buzz and sadly that bandwagon is gaining steam. To that, expect the candidates will also lean heavily on Trump bashing will little campaigning substance.
I detest Trump but I will not ever vote for a socialist. That includes Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and numerous others.
I really think if it's Trump vs an Elizabeth Warren type, there's a good chance a middle of the road 3rd party candidate could win the election.