Capers' defense was suffocating in 1999 until the Saints game exposed a weakness against 3 WR sets. The Jags defense dropped off after that game through the following season until injuries to the LBs in 2000 forced Capers to use safety Mike Logan as a LB. Somehow that fixed the problem.
I don't know what that says about Capers, maybe that he's too set in his ways?
(02-05-2019, 05:39 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2019, 01:08 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Stats lie it was not a top 5 defense last year.
There were eight (8) shutouts last season. They were:
Week 2 Rams 34 Cardinals 0
Week 4 Packers 22 Bills 0
Week 6 Ravens 21 tacks 0
Week 13 Jaguars 6 Colts 0
Week 15 tacks 17 Giants 0
Week 15 Colts 23 Cowboys 0
Week 17 Lions 31 Packers 0
Week 17 Eagles 24 Washington 0
Of those games:
- Two (2) involved teams with rookie QBs -Cards & Bills
- One (1) involved teams with injured starting QBs and backups playing (Washington)
- Two were in week 17 where the teams were out of playoff contention and playing out the string, and the Packers had already fired their coach
- One involved the Giants, whose QB is old and decrepit and whose OL was possibly even a bigger disaster area than ours.
- Only one involved a winning team that got next to no help from the offense, and was up against a red hot team who finished in the top five in scoring-that was our game against the Colts, who had won five straight going into our game.
Our defense may not have played as consistently or as spectacularly as it did the year before, but it took a very good defense to shut out the Colts offense this year-our 4-3 team.
That EricC85 dude doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about and never has..
This Defense was #4 in Points allowed per game, #2 in Passing yards allowed, #5 in total yards allowed and #11 in rushing average. That's all while having arguably the worst Offense in the entire NFL.
The only thing this Defense really lacked from last season (besides a far better Offense), is the turnovers in bunches and the Defensive TDs. Other than that, this was still one of the top Defenses in the league.
(02-05-2019, 11:47 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2019, 07:04 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting. Has he ever coached a defense with a 4-3 scheme? I only remember his teams playing a 3-4.
The Jaguars played a 4-3 defense when Capers was their DC.
Lol, I mean, other than this team here that we talk about all the time.
I'd love for Capers to be back. In Green Bay his "Psycho Defense" basically 1 down linemen 5 linebackers and 5 DB's, everyone had the same responsibilities come snap, but by the way they'd move around before the snap made it almost impossible to correctly assign blocks, was a hugeee reason they had terrific 3rd down defense during that SB run they had. I wouldn't mind for some exotic looks from his bag of tricks to surface here!
(02-08-2019, 04:24 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2019, 05:39 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]There were eight (8) shutouts last season. They were:
Week 2 Rams 34 Cardinals 0
Week 4 Packers 22 Bills 0
Week 6 Ravens 21 tacks 0
Week 13 Jaguars 6 Colts 0
Week 15 tacks 17 Giants 0
Week 15 Colts 23 Cowboys 0
Week 17 Lions 31 Packers 0
Week 17 Eagles 24 Washington 0
Of those games:
- Two (2) involved teams with rookie QBs -Cards & Bills
- One (1) involved teams with injured starting QBs and backups playing (Washington)
- Two were in week 17 where the teams were out of playoff contention and playing out the string, and the Packers had already fired their coach
- One involved the Giants, whose QB is old and decrepit and whose OL was possibly even a bigger disaster area than ours.
- Only one involved a winning team that got next to no help from the offense, and was up against a red hot team who finished in the top five in scoring-that was our game against the Colts, who had won five straight going into our game.
Our defense may not have played as consistently or as spectacularly as it did the year before, but it took a very good defense to shut out the Colts offense this year-our 4-3 team.
That EricC85 dude doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about and never has..
This Defense was #4 in Points allowed per game, #2 in Passing yards allowed, #5 in total yards allowed and #11 in rushing average. That's all while having arguably the worst Offense in the entire NFL.
The only thing this Defense really lacked from last season (besides a far better Offense), is the turnovers in bunches and the Defensive TDs. Other than that, this was still one of the top Defenses in the league.
ok lets play
19th in rush defense, 24th in takeaways, 25th in sacks look at that you can find stats to support any argument.
you want to tell me the team that let gave up 29 points to the worse offense in the league (yea I'm look at you clot fans) in week 10 was a top 5 defense? Or maybe when the Chiefs hung 30 points on them and then the Cowboys hung 40 points the next week! Wait it's probably cause we held the tacks to 30 points in week 14.
I watched every miserable game last year and if you can convince yourself that was a top 5 unit good for your, drink the koolaid I won't blame you but it's in your head and whatever other delusional fan on this message board. We couldn't stop the run, we couldn't stop the passing, we couldn't sack the QB and we sure as hell didn't make turnovers that's not a top 5 defense.
(02-08-2019, 10:09 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2019, 04:24 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]That EricC85 dude doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about and never has..
This Defense was #4 in Points allowed per game, #2 in Passing yards allowed, #5 in total yards allowed and #11 in rushing average. That's all while having arguably the worst Offense in the entire NFL.
The only thing this Defense really lacked from last season (besides a far better Offense), is the turnovers in bunches and the Defensive TDs. Other than that, this was still one of the top Defenses in the league.
ok lets play
19th in rush defense, 24th in takeaways, 25th in sacks look at that you can find stats to support any argument.
you want to tell me the team that let gave up 29 points to the worse offense in the league (yea I'm look at you clot fans) in week 10 was a top 5 defense? Or maybe when the Chiefs hung 30 points on them and then the Cowboys hung 40 points the next week! Wait it's probably cause we held the tacks to 30 points in week 14.
I watched every miserable game last year and if you can convince yourself that was a top 5 unit good for your, drink the koolaid I won't blame you but it's in your head and whatever other delusional fan on this message board. We couldn't stop the run, we couldn't stop the passing, we couldn't sack the QB and we sure as hell didn't make turnovers that's not a top 5 defense.
Worst offense in the league?!?
The Colts?!?
They were 5th in scoring, 6th in passing, and 7th in yards per game.
The Chiefs scored 23 offensive points .
Dallas embarrassed us, as did Tennessee in the second game. But a mediocre defense doesn't shut out the Colts, especially without help from the offense.
(02-08-2019, 11:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2019, 10:09 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]ok lets play
19th in rush defense, 24th in takeaways, 25th in sacks look at that you can find stats to support any argument.
you want to tell me the team that let gave up 29 points to the worse offense in the league (yea I'm look at you clot fans) in week 10 was a top 5 defense? Or maybe when the Chiefs hung 30 points on them and then the Cowboys hung 40 points the next week! Wait it's probably cause we held the tacks to 30 points in week 14.
I watched every miserable game last year and if you can convince yourself that was a top 5 unit good for your, drink the koolaid I won't blame you but it's in your head and whatever other delusional fan on this message board. We couldn't stop the run, we couldn't stop the passing, we couldn't sack the QB and we sure as hell didn't make turnovers that's not a top 5 defense.
Worst offense in the league?!?
The Colts?!?
They were 5th in scoring, 6th in passing, and 7th in yards per game.
The Chiefs scored 23 offensive points .
Dallas embarrassed us, as did Tennessee in the second game. But a mediocre defense doesn't shut out the Colts, especially without help from the offense.
your right I'm thinking of the 2017 colts horrible offense, they where much better this year, still not world beaters but not worse in the league. that was probably the Josh Allen lead bills that hung 24 points on us.
(02-04-2019, 05:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You guys know Don Capers is one of the worst DCs in football right?
Fine as an assistant or whatever but no you don't want him replacing Wash
I think he was pretty decent back when Cowher was still coaching. But a whole lot has changed since then and I am not sure he has changed with the times all that much.
I mean, some of it comes down to using a 3-4. Back in the 90's, it was still kind of unique and more difficult to figure out. Now it's old news and doesn't pose the confusion it
used to. (I honestly wish the Steelers would go 4-3 these days).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Capers#Professional
At least with Dom, you have an experienced coach who knows how to be professional. That's worth something, right?
(02-08-2019, 11:56 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2019, 11:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Worst offense in the league?!?
The Colts?!?
They were 5th in scoring, 6th in passing, and 7th in yards per game.
The Chiefs scored 23 offensive points .
Dallas embarrassed us, as did Tennessee in the second game. But a mediocre defense doesn't shut out the Colts, especially without help from the offense.
your right I'm thinking of the 2017 colts horrible offense, they where much better this year, still not world beaters but not worse in the league. that was probably the Josh Allen lead bills that hung 24 points on us.
Yea, hardly a horrible O at all for Indy. As a matter of fact, Jags were the only team to beat them during a 9-game span; they were undefeated in all other 8 games. That's saying something.
And Jags shut them out. That was impressive. Jags were a very good D that week.
(02-08-2019, 04:24 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-05-2019, 05:39 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]There were eight (8) shutouts last season. They were:
Week 2 Rams 34 Cardinals 0
Week 4 Packers 22 Bills 0
Week 6 Ravens 21 tacks 0
Week 13 Jaguars 6 Colts 0
Week 15 tacks 17 Giants 0
Week 15 Colts 23 Cowboys 0
Week 17 Lions 31 Packers 0
Week 17 Eagles 24 Washington 0
Of those games:
- Two (2) involved teams with rookie QBs -Cards & Bills
- One (1) involved teams with injured starting QBs and backups playing (Washington)
- Two were in week 17 where the teams were out of playoff contention and playing out the string, and the Packers had already fired their coach
- One involved the Giants, whose QB is old and decrepit and whose OL was possibly even a bigger disaster area than ours.
- Only one involved a winning team that got next to no help from the offense, and was up against a red hot team who finished in the top five in scoring-that was our game against the Colts, who had won five straight going into our game.
Our defense may not have played as consistently or as spectacularly as it did the year before, but it took a very good defense to shut out the Colts offense this year-our 4-3 team.
That EricC85 dude doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about and never has..
This Defense was #4 in Points allowed per game, #2 in Passing yards allowed, #5 in total yards allowed and #11 in rushing average. That's all while having arguably the worst Offense in the entire NFL.
The only thing this Defense really lacked from last season (besides a far better Offense), is the turnovers in bunches and the Defensive TDs. Other than that, this was still one of the top Defenses in the league.
That's so overlooked. If your offense is always 3 and out, that kills your D. Look at the Super Bowl: Rams D was rock solid but wilted from no rest; O was doing nothing.