You guys know Don Capers is one of the worst DCs in football right?

Fine as an assistant or whatever but no you don't want him replacing Wash

Unless you provide evidence that his mind is no longer sharp and/or his schemes are outdated and the drop was not a function of a lack of talent in Green Bay, there's no way I can buy this premise.

He has found defensive success just about everything he has been.

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I like this a lot. Hell, just fire Wash now if you bring Capers in. He's used the 3-4 exclusively lately, and I think we have the personnel to suit that scheme. Shift Ngakoue out to WLB, where most projected him out of college anyway, shift Bryan out to RE with Dareus and Jones rotating at NT, then you either give Telvin a shot inside or trade him and find another ILB.

Or you keep the 4-3 as your base and use the 3-4 as a sub package to keep the offense off guard, like he did during his tenure here as defensive coordinator. I'd really be good with that. Wash's version of a 4-3/3-4 hybrid is a straight 4-3 with a blitzing linebacker once in a while.

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So, you're not aware he was our defensive coordinator at one time?

Was he? That must've been in the early days. Dude, I'm 47. There are some days when I forget my own phone number. Remembering who our DC was 20 years ago, isn't high on my priority list. I'm lucky to remember my own name and address.

He was our DC in 99 when we went to the championship and lost to the tacks

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I like this a lot. Hell, just fire Wash now if you bring Capers in. He's used the 3-4 exclusively lately, and I think we have the personnel to suit that scheme. Shift Ngakoue out to WLB, where most projected him out of college anyway, shift Bryan out to RE with Dareus and Jones rotating at NT, then you either give Telvin a shot inside or trade him and find another ILB.

Or you keep the 4-3 as your base and use the 3-4 as a sub package to keep the offense off guard, like he did during his tenure here as defensive coordinator. I'd really be good with that. Wash's version of a 4-3/3-4 hybrid is a straight 4-3 with a blitzing linebacker once in a while.

Agreed we should be running a 3-4 anyway

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Was he? That must've been in the early days. Dude, I'm 47. There are some days when I forget my own phone number. Remembering who our DC was 20 years ago, isn't high on my priority list. I'm lucky to remember my own name and address.

He was our DC in 99 when we went to the championship and lost to the tacks

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I like this a lot. Hell, just fire Wash now if you bring Capers in. He's used the 3-4 exclusively lately, and I think we have the personnel to suit that scheme. Shift Ngakoue out to WLB, where most projected him out of college anyway, shift Bryan out to RE with Dareus and Jones rotating at NT, then you either give Telvin a shot inside or trade him and find another ILB.

Or you keep the 4-3 as your base and use the 3-4 as a sub package to keep the offense off guard, like he did during his tenure here as defensive coordinator. I'd really be good with that. Wash's version of a 4-3/3-4 hybrid is a straight 4-3 with a blitzing linebacker once in a while.

Agreed we should be running a 3-4 anyway

No...we shouldn't.

Our 4-3 has been a top five unit three years running.

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He was our DC in 99 when we went to the championship and lost to the tacks

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Agreed we should be running a 3-4 anyway

No...we shouldn't.

Our 4-3 has been a top five unit three years running.

Stats lie it was not a top 5 defense last year. 

Smaller lb like Telvin and Jack do better in the 3-4 and I think you get more burst out of Yannick standing him up. Ideally Fowler was perfect for the 3-4 but that ship sailed. On the line we have big guys to play NT and Campbell can play pretty much any position on the line what's going to be easier to fill a run stop defensive end or a tradiotional mlb?

Without poz in the middle the 4-3 was lost last year we where out of position, asking our tweener linebackers to cover TE or stuff the run both of which they struggled. You have to scheme to the personnel you have we don't have poz and I don't see anyone on the roster ready to fill that roll, that 4-3 is onto on good as the MLB.

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No...we shouldn't.

Our 4-3 has been a top five unit three years running.

Stats lie it was not a top 5 defense last year. 

Smaller lb like Telvin and Jack do better in the 3-4 and I think you get more burst out of Yannick standing him up. Ideally Fowler was perfect for the 3-4 but that ship sailed. On the line we have big guys to play NT and Campbell can play pretty much any position on the line what's going to be easier to fill a run stop defensive end or a tradiotional mlb?

Without poz in the middle the 4-3 was lost last year we where out of position, asking our tweener linebackers to cover TE or stuff the run both of which they struggled. You have to scheme to the personnel you have we don't have poz and I don't see anyone on the roster ready to fill that roll, that 4-3 is onto on good as the MLB.

....huh?

3-4 LBs are traditionally much, much bigger than 4-3 LBs

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Stats lie it was not a top 5 defense last year. 

Smaller lb like Telvin and Jack do better in the 3-4 and I think you get more burst out of Yannick standing him up. Ideally Fowler was perfect for the 3-4 but that ship sailed. On the line we have big guys to play NT and Campbell can play pretty much any position on the line what's going to be easier to fill a run stop defensive end or a tradiotional mlb?

Without poz in the middle the 4-3 was lost last year we where out of position, asking our tweener linebackers to cover TE or stuff the run both of which they struggled. You have to scheme to the personnel you have we don't have poz and I don't see anyone on the roster ready to fill that roll, that 4-3 is onto on good as the MLB.

....huh?

3-4 LBs are traditionally much, much bigger than 4-3 LBs

Exactly.

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Stats lie it was not a top 5 defense last year. 

Smaller lb like Telvin and Jack do better in the 3-4 and I think you get more burst out of Yannick standing him up. Ideally Fowler was perfect for the 3-4 but that ship sailed. On the line we have big guys to play NT and Campbell can play pretty much any position on the line what's going to be easier to fill a run stop defensive end or a tradiotional mlb?

Without poz in the middle the 4-3 was lost last year we where out of position, asking our tweener linebackers to cover TE or stuff the run both of which they struggled. You have to scheme to the personnel you have we don't have poz and I don't see anyone on the roster ready to fill that roll, that 4-3 is onto on good as the MLB.

....huh?

3-4 LBs are traditionally much, much bigger than 4-3 LBs

Yeah. At 6'1" 244 lbs., Jack would be fine in a 3-4 scheme, but Telvin would obviously have to go. He's way too small to play 3-4. I just don't see us making such a scheme change.

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Switching to a base 3-4 would be a mistake.
Incorporating some more 3-4 alignment pass rush concepts would be fantastic

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Come back, Capers!

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No...we shouldn't.

Our 4-3 has been a top five unit three years running.

Stats lie it was not a top 5 defense last year. 

There were eight (8) shutouts last season.  They were:

Week 2 Rams 34 Cardinals 0
Week 4 Packers 22 Bills 0
Week 6 Ravens 21 tacks 0
Week 13 Jaguars 6 Colts 0
Week 15 tacks 17 Giants 0
Week 15 Colts 23 Cowboys 0
Week 17 Lions 31 Packers 0
Week 17 Eagles 24 Washington 0

Of those games:

• Two (2) involved teams with rookie QBs -Cards & Bills
  
• One (1) involved teams with injured starting QBs and backups playing (Washington)
  
• Two were in week 17 where the teams were out of playoff contention and playing out the string, and the Packers had already fired their coach
  
• One involved the Giants, whose QB is old and decrepit and whose OL was possibly even a bigger disaster area than ours.
  
• Only one involved a winning team that got next to no help from the offense, and was up against a red hot team who finished in the top five in scoring-that was our game against the Colts, who had won five straight going into our game.
  

Our defense may not have played as consistently or as spectacularly as it did the year before, but it took a very good defense to shut out the Colts offense this year-our 4-3 team.

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Switching to a base 3-4 would be a mistake.
Incorporating some more 3-4 alignment pass rush concepts would be fantastic

Totally agree.

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It doesn't make sense to go with one and stick with it anymore. Having fluidity between 3-4, 4-3, and bear fronts is where the league is now. You have to have flexibility in scheme and personnel to pull it off though. This helps with scheme, but they really need an influx of LB talent to have the personnel.

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....huh?

3-4 LBs are traditionally much, much bigger than 4-3 LBs

Yeah. At 6'1" 244 lbs., Jack would be fine in a 3-4 scheme, but Telvin would obviously have to go. He's way too small to play 3-4. I just don't see us making such a scheme change.

I don't know if that'd be the case though. The Cardinals use Deone Bucannon as a LB in their 3-4. He was a safety in college and started out at safety in the NFL before making the switch. He's only 6'1 and like 215 pounds.

Same for Mark Barron on the Rams. Started out as a safety but rams converted him to a LB. He's like 6'2 225 or so.

Those are just two guys off the top of my head who are typically undersized for a LB in a 3-4, but they do fine. Obviously there's some scheming involved and they aren't being asked to crash the box and match up with a Guard or Center, play after play after play.

There's some more guys out there, but yea typically your 3-4 LB (especially the ILB) are far thicker than Smith is.

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You guys know Don Capers is one of the worst DCs in football right?

Thank God we're looking to hire Dom.  Kind of like drafting Cooper Manning.

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Interesting. Has he ever coached a defense with a 4-3 scheme? I only remember his teams playing a 3-4.

The Jaguars played a 4-3 defense when Capers was their DC.

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Interesting. Has he ever coached a defense with a 4-3 scheme? I only remember his teams playing a 3-4.

The Jaguars played a 4-3 defense when Capers was their DC.

Madden has propagated the notion you can just play a 3-4 scheme with 4-3 talent.  You have to draft for years and build up to the scheme.  Dom is good at using 3-4 concepts with 4-3 personal and outside the Titans games, the 99 team was very good defensively using those concepts.  You have to have concepts out of your nickel and dime packages now it is just how the league is running.

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Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

IIRC Capers was our defensive coordinator during the Kevin Hardy/Tony Brackens days. Going back to my elementary school days.

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No pain, no gain.

IIRC Capers was our defensive coordinator during the Kevin Hardy/Tony Brackens days. Going back to my elementary school days.

You are correct, sir.

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IIRC Capers was our defensive coordinator during the Kevin Hardy/Tony Brackens days. Going back to my elementary school days.

Get. Off. My. Lawn.

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