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(04-05-2019, 12:41 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]This is a list that has Winston #2,  Bortles almost cracking the top-10, and it has Trubisky, Mayfield, Watson, Wilson, and Prescott in the twenties.

If I read this correctly, many of Brees's best seasons would have put him in the mid-to-late twenties when considering his failed completion percentage.

Isn't it simpler to only consider completion percentage and YPA? Why must we create some arbitrary system to further complicate it?

Didn't you know??? Winston is ELITE buddy! /s 

This post is all you need to know about this stat, it's an irrelevant bunch of bull poopy.

The stat is fine. The interpretation is meh.
Its a way to define the play style.
Just shouldnt be used to tier QBs. More of a statistical definition rather than statistical ranking.

Just one little peice in the larger puzzle.

I've said it before but it bears repeating, the Jaguars are paying Foles for what he did in 2017. He's going to get the front office cleaned out.

The fact that the Eagles didn't care about losing him and wanted to keep Wentz instead tells you everything you need to know. If he was actually a franchise QB they'd have traded Wentz and kept Foles.

(04-06-2019, 10:49 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before but it bears repeating, the Jaguars are paying Foles for what he did in 2017. He's going to get the front office cleaned out.

The fact that the Eagles didn't care about losing him and wanted to keep Wentz instead tells you everything you need to know. If he was actually a franchise QB they'd have traded Wentz and kept Foles.

Or it tells you Wentz is better than Foles. So are a handful of other QBs.

Doesnt mean the Jags can't succeed with Foles.

(04-06-2019, 06:25 PM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2019, 10:49 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before but it bears repeating, the Jaguars are paying Foles for what he did in 2017. He's going to get the front office cleaned out.

The fact that the Eagles didn't care about losing him and wanted to keep Wentz instead tells you everything you need to know. If he was actually a franchise QB they'd have traded Wentz and kept Foles.

Or it tells you Wentz is better than Foles. So are a handful of other QBs.

Doesnt mean the Jags can't succeed with Foles.

The Jags could succeed with Bortles, the eagles won a Superbowl with Foles starting. None of that changes the truth I just laid on you. If Foles were actually good they'd have done with Wentz what the Patriots did with Garoppolo, gotten what they could, because you don't let actual franchise QBs out the door for nothing, and in that scenario they get something for an often injured QB and still keep their franchise guy. The fact that the Jaguars were bidding against themselves for him also says bad things.

The Jaguars just doubled down on the same bad move they made signing Bortles long term. Of course the team itself is good, so if they stay healthy they can win some games, but that doesn't make the move at all good, just like drafting Fournette was moronic, regardless of the team's success that season.

(04-07-2019, 08:13 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-06-2019, 06:25 PM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]Or it tells you Wentz is better than Foles. So are a handful of other QBs.

Doesnt mean the Jags can't succeed with Foles.

The Jags could succeed with Bortles, the eagles won a Superbowl with Foles starting. None of that changes the truth I just laid on you. If Foles were actually good they'd have done with Wentz what the Patriots did with Garoppolo, gotten what they could, because you don't let actual franchise QBs out the door for nothing, and in that scenario they get something for an often injured QB and still keep their franchise guy. The fact that the Jaguars were bidding against themselves for him also says bad things.

The Jaguars just doubled down on the same bad move they made signing Bortles long term. Of course the team itself is good, so if they stay healthy they can win some games, but that doesn't make the move at all good, just like drafting Fournette was moronic, regardless of the team's success that season.

Comparing the Brady JimmyG situation to the Foles Wentz is laughable. Completely different situations.

Foles said there were other teams involved, so yes there was some bidding AND negotiating going on.

Foles is not a franchise QB. Nor is he getting paid like one.  The cap numbers are in line with what he can produce.

Foles is a clear upgrade to Bortles.
The plan is defense and running. Foles fits into that, has playoff experience, and by all accounts is a leader of men.

(04-07-2019, 09:40 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 08:13 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags could succeed with Bortles, the eagles won a Superbowl with Foles starting. None of that changes the truth I just laid on you. If Foles were actually good they'd have done with Wentz what the Patriots did with Garoppolo, gotten what they could, because you don't let actual franchise QBs out the door for nothing, and in that scenario they get something for an often injured QB and still keep their franchise guy. The fact that the Jaguars were bidding against themselves for him also says bad things.

The Jaguars just doubled down on the same bad move they made signing Bortles long term. Of course the team itself is good, so if they stay healthy they can win some games, but that doesn't make the move at all good, just like drafting Fournette was moronic, regardless of the team's success that season.

Comparing the Brady JimmyG situation to the Foles Wentz is laughable. Completely different situations.

Foles said there were other teams involved, so yes there was some bidding AND negotiating going on.

Foles is not a franchise QB. Nor is he getting paid like one.  The cap numbers are in line with what he can produce.

Foles is a clear upgrade to Bortles.
The plan is defense and running. Foles fits into that, has playoff experience, and by all accounts is a leader of men.

Exactly. 

Foles is being paid to be good enough to win behind the strength of a top 5 defense. 
Not to put the team on his back. 

It was a very measured move by the front office. While I’d much prefer they hit on a first round QB pick for sustainability/longevity purposes, this is a good move to take advantage of the anticipated defensive performance from this team in 2019/2020. 

The eagles’ and Jags handling of Foles the way they did doesn’t compare to any of that Garappolo or Bortles stuff being asserted.

(04-07-2019, 09:40 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 08:13 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags could succeed with Bortles, the eagles won a Superbowl with Foles starting. None of that changes the truth I just laid on you. If Foles were actually good they'd have done with Wentz what the Patriots did with Garoppolo, gotten what they could, because you don't let actual franchise QBs out the door for nothing, and in that scenario they get something for an often injured QB and still keep their franchise guy. The fact that the Jaguars were bidding against themselves for him also says bad things.

The Jaguars just doubled down on the same bad move they made signing Bortles long term. Of course the team itself is good, so if they stay healthy they can win some games, but that doesn't make the move at all good, just like drafting Fournette was moronic, regardless of the team's success that season.

Comparing the Brady JimmyG situation to the Foles Wentz is laughable. Completely different situations.

Foles said there were other teams involved, so yes there was some bidding AND negotiating going on.

Foles is not a franchise QB. Nor is he getting paid like one.  The cap numbers are in line with what he can produce.

Foles is a clear upgrade to Bortles.
The plan is defense and running. Foles fits into that, has playoff experience, and by all accounts is a leader of men.

Indeed they were completely different situations, the patriots had a true franchise QB and another QB that looked like a franchise QB.

The Eagles have two guys that can ride along to win some games, but neither has proven to be a franchise QB. That they were willing to just let Foles walk shows that he's definitely not one, and if he's not one then he's really no better than Bortles. Jaguars had 10 wins with Bortles in 2017, if they get that many with Foles this season I'll be surprised, but if they don't win a superbowl then really all they're doing is spinning their wheels and appeasing the bib brigade by doubling down on overpaying mediocre QBs.

If any QB they pass on this year turns out to be a franchise QB the howls will be deafening, as suddenly everyone knew what a bad idea it was to do.

(04-07-2019, 02:59 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 09:40 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]Comparing the Brady JimmyG situation to the Foles Wentz is laughable. Completely different situations.

Foles said there were other teams involved, so yes there was some bidding AND negotiating going on.

Foles is not a franchise QB. Nor is he getting paid like one.  The cap numbers are in line with what he can produce.

Foles is a clear upgrade to Bortles.
The plan is defense and running. Foles fits into that, has playoff experience, and by all accounts is a leader of men.

Indeed they were completely different situations, the patriots had a true franchise QB and another QB that looked like a franchise QB.

The Eagles have two guys that can ride along to win some games, but neither has proven to be a franchise QB. That they were willing to just let Foles walk shows that he's definitely not one, and if he's not one then he's really no better than Bortles. Jaguars had 10 wins with Bortles in 2017, if they get that many with Foles this season I'll be surprised, but if they don't win a superbowl then really all they're doing is spinning their wheels and appeasing the bib brigade by doubling down on overpaying mediocre QBs.

If any QB they pass on this year turns out to be a franchise QB the howls will be deafening, as suddenly everyone knew what a bad idea it was to do.

The bolded bit is such a colossal fail in logic I don't even know where to start tearing it down. 

The eagles chose between two QBs because they couldn't afford to keep both. They went with the younger one with undefined upside. That doesn't tell you Foles definitely is or isn't anything. 
It's a very simple decision and the obvious reasons behind it affect front office decisions in a similar fashion all the time in this league. They choose youth and upside repeatedly. 
And equating him to Bortles is just completely ludicrous.

The "if they don't win a superbowl" comment is hilarious too.  

31 teams make efforts to improve every year and don't win a superbowl. So they're all just spinning their wheels I guess?

(04-07-2019, 02:59 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 09:40 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]Comparing the Brady JimmyG situation to the Foles Wentz is laughable. Completely different situations.

Foles said there were other teams involved, so yes there was some bidding AND negotiating going on.

Foles is not a franchise QB. Nor is he getting paid like one.  The cap numbers are in line with what he can produce.

Foles is a clear upgrade to Bortles.
The plan is defense and running. Foles fits into that, has playoff experience, and by all accounts is a leader of men.

Indeed they were completely different situations, the patriots had a true franchise QB and another QB that looked like a franchise QB.

The Eagles have two guys that can ride along to win some games, but neither has proven to be a franchise QB. That they were willing to just let Foles walk shows that he's definitely not one, and if he's not one then he's really no better than Bortles. Jaguars had 10 wins with Bortles in 2017, if they get that many with Foles this season I'll be surprised, but if they don't win a superbowl then really all they're doing is spinning their wheels and appeasing the bib brigade by doubling down on overpaying mediocre QBs.

If any QB they pass on this year turns out to be a franchise QB the howls will be deafening, as suddenly everyone knew what a bad idea it was to do.

You’re sleeping on Wentz big time.

Dude was the MVP in 2017 before injury. In 2018, he had a 70% completion percentage and 21 TDS in 11 games. If the Eagles didn’t have one of the top young QBs, Foles would still be there.

(04-07-2019, 08:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 02:59 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Indeed they were completely different situations, the patriots had a true franchise QB and another QB that looked like a franchise QB.

The Eagles have two guys that can ride along to win some games, but neither has proven to be a franchise QB. That they were willing to just let Foles walk shows that he's definitely not one, and if he's not one then he's really no better than Bortles. Jaguars had 10 wins with Bortles in 2017, if they get that many with Foles this season I'll be surprised, but if they don't win a superbowl then really all they're doing is spinning their wheels and appeasing the bib brigade by doubling down on overpaying mediocre QBs.

If any QB they pass on this year turns out to be a franchise QB the howls will be deafening, as suddenly everyone knew what a bad idea it was to do.

You’re sleeping on Wentz big time.

Dude was the MVP in 2017 before injury. In 2018, he had a 70% completion percentage and 21 TDS in 11 games. If the Eagles didn’t have one of the top young QBs, Foles would still be there.

Completely agree.

Additionally... his injuries have been pretty serious.  Letting Foles walk in light of that also speaks to how highly they value Wentz as their franchise QB.

(04-07-2019, 08:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 02:59 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Indeed they were completely different situations, the patriots had a true franchise QB and another QB that looked like a franchise QB.

The Eagles have two guys that can ride along to win some games, but neither has proven to be a franchise QB. That they were willing to just let Foles walk shows that he's definitely not one, and if he's not one then he's really no better than Bortles. Jaguars had 10 wins with Bortles in 2017, if they get that many with Foles this season I'll be surprised, but if they don't win a superbowl then really all they're doing is spinning their wheels and appeasing the bib brigade by doubling down on overpaying mediocre QBs.

If any QB they pass on this year turns out to be a franchise QB the howls will be deafening, as suddenly everyone knew what a bad idea it was to do.

You’re sleeping on Wentz big time.

Dude was the MVP in 2017 before injury. In 2018, he had a 70% completion percentage and 21 TDS in 11 games. If the Eagles didn’t have one of the top young QBs, Foles would still be there.

Of course Wentz is better than Foles, Foles isn't really that good at all though, so that isn't saying much lol (I do like Wentz though). What isn't being considered here is that the Eagles chose a younger, injury prone QB over their "Super Bowl MVP"....

They have more faith in a guy who was failed to finish the past two straight seasons, 1 with an ACL/LCL injury and the latest, a fracture in his back, over the guy who everybody keeps saying "won them the Super Bowl".

It is a "what have you done for me lately league" after all, and all the Foles lovers slop all over that playoff/SB run for Foles. The Eagles moving on from him is blatantly obvious that they know he is nothing more than a product of a system/good team and his loss is of very little value. Easily replaceable and we decided to pay him $88m ($50m+ for sure), hoping he can relive a hand full of games that he had in 2017. Problem is, now he has to do that over the course of a entire season, not just 5-6 games.

(04-07-2019, 09:01 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 08:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You’re sleeping on Wentz big time.

Dude was the MVP in 2017 before injury. In 2018, he had a 70% completion percentage and 21 TDS in 11 games. If the Eagles didn’t have one of the top young QBs, Foles would still be there.

Of course Wentz is better than Foles, Foles isn't really that good at all though, so that isn't saying much lol (I do like Wentz though). What isn't being considered here is that the Eagles chose a younger, injury prone QB over their "Super Bowl MVP"....

They have more faith in a guy who was failed to finish the past two straight seasons, 1 with an ACL/LCL injury and the latest, a fracture in his back, over the guy who everybody keeps saying "won them the Super Bowl".

It is a "what have you done for me lately league" after all, and all the Foles lovers slop all over that playoff/SB run for Foles. The Eagles moving on from him is blatantly obvious that they know he is nothing more than a product of a system/good team and his loss is of very little value. Easily replaceable and we decided to pay him $88m ($50m+ for sure), hoping he can relive a hand full of games that he had in 2017. Problem is, now he has to do that over the course of a entire season, not just 5-6 games.

So all I want to know is will SeldomRite and Eric1 come back here and say they are clueless about football if Foles does go off - you know since they already know for a fact he is garbage and all? 

BTW  you two are the funniest people on this forum by a wide margin and I don't mean that as a compliment

(04-07-2019, 09:01 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 08:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You’re sleeping on Wentz big time.

Dude was the MVP in 2017 before injury. In 2018, he had a 70% completion percentage and 21 TDS in 11 games. If the Eagles didn’t have one of the top young QBs, Foles would still be there.

Of course Wentz is better than Foles, Foles isn't really that good at all though, so that isn't saying much lol (I do like Wentz though). What isn't being considered here is that the Eagles chose a younger, injury prone QB over their "Super Bowl MVP"....

They have more faith in a guy who was failed to finish the past two straight seasons, 1 with an ACL/LCL injury and the latest, a fracture in his back, over the guy who everybody keeps saying "won them the Super Bowl".

It is a "what have you done for me lately league" after all, and all the Foles lovers slop all over that playoff/SB run for Foles. The Eagles moving on from him is blatantly obvious that they know he is nothing more than a product of a system/good team and his loss is of very little value. Easily replaceable and we decided to pay him $88m ($50m+ for sure), hoping he can relive a hand full of games that he had in 2017. Problem is, now he has to do that over the course of a entire season, not just 5-6 games.

First of all... I'd love for you to find one single contextual quote from anyone on this board that has ever stated that Foles "won the eagles a super bowl."  I've never seen anyone attempt to site Foles as the catalyst of that.  It's just a disingenuous claim on your part.
 Folks site him as a one-game MVP, but no one states he's the reason they won it or the reason they got there. It's much the same way only the clueless idiots here claim Bortles took the Jags to the AFCCG. 

Secondly -- your wild speculation about the eagles opinion of Foles - (he is nothing more than a product of a system/good team and his loss is of very little value)  --  that's seriously just some herp derp garbage. You can't actually believe that.
 You have know idea what their true evaluation/value of Foles is, and if you actually believe his release indicates what you've implied, you're [BLEEP] kidding yourself.  You're reaching there.  Badly. 

Also - they aren't hoping he can re-live a few good games  from this or that season. 
The Jags are very simply counting on their great defense (who held teams to fewer points per game in 2017 and 2018 than the eagles did) and also Foles +70% completion rate over the past two seasons of play to be enough to win those close contests they have lost.  It actually makes perfect sense if you look at it objectively.

And this is coming from a guy that wanted them to draft Haskins and not sign Foles.

(04-07-2019, 10:42 PM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 09:01 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Of course Wentz is better than Foles, Foles isn't really that good at all though, so that isn't saying much lol (I do like Wentz though). What isn't being considered here is that the Eagles chose a younger, injury prone QB over their "Super Bowl MVP"....

They have more faith in a guy who was failed to finish the past two straight seasons, 1 with an ACL/LCL injury and the latest, a fracture in his back, over the guy who everybody keeps saying "won them the Super Bowl".

It is a "what have you done for me lately league" after all, and all the Foles lovers slop all over that playoff/SB run for Foles. The Eagles moving on from him is blatantly obvious that they know he is nothing more than a product of a system/good team and his loss is of very little value. Easily replaceable and we decided to pay him $88m ($50m+ for sure), hoping he can relive a hand full of games that he had in 2017. Problem is, now he has to do that over the course of a entire season, not just 5-6 games.

So all I want to know is will SeldomRite and Eric1 come back here and say they are clueless about football if Foles does go off - you know since they already know for a fact he is garbage and all? 

BTW  you two are the funniest people on this forum by a wide margin and I don't mean that as a compliment

I'm not going anywhere, regardless of what happens this season, or the next. Unless this site changes my account/pw, I'll be here on this same account unless I lose my house/power/or I die.

Foles gets no extra advantages, or dis-advantages from me. We seen a team get 10 wins (and a super bowl birth if it wasn't for the refs) with a healthy roster and Bortles. We seen the same team get 5 wins with a completely shredded team injury wise with Bortles.

People think Foles is so good and that Bortles was so bad, that 9-10 wins, with even an average roster, should be the floor with Foles (cause remember, he's great right)... If it can be done with Bortles, and considering Foles is such a clear upgrade (in so many people's minds), there should be no questions about that... Right? The front office/HC even said it themselves... Foles gives them the best chance to win "NOW"... Anything less will be a massive disappointment.

(04-07-2019, 11:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 09:01 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Of course Wentz is better than Foles, Foles isn't really that good at all though, so that isn't saying much lol (I do like Wentz though). What isn't being considered here is that the Eagles chose a younger, injury prone QB over their "Super Bowl MVP"....

They have more faith in a guy who was failed to finish the past two straight seasons, 1 with an ACL/LCL injury and the latest, a fracture in his back, over the guy who everybody keeps saying "won them the Super Bowl".

It is a "what have you done for me lately league" after all, and all the Foles lovers slop all over that playoff/SB run for Foles. The Eagles moving on from him is blatantly obvious that they know he is nothing more than a product of a system/good team and his loss is of very little value. Easily replaceable and we decided to pay him $88m ($50m+ for sure), hoping he can relive a hand full of games that he had in 2017. Problem is, now he has to do that over the course of a entire season, not just 5-6 games.

First of all... I'd love for you to find one single contextual quote from anyone on this board that has ever stated that Foles "won the eagles a super bowl."  I've never seen anyone attempt to site Foles as the catalyst of that.  It's just a disingenuous claim on your part.
 Folks site him as a one-game MVP, but no one states he's the reason they won it or the reason they got there. It's much the same way only the clueless idiots here claim Bortles took the Jags to the AFCCG. 

Secondly -- your wild speculation about the eagles opinion of Foles - (he is nothing more than a product of a system/good team and his loss is of very little value)  --  that's seriously just some herp derp garbage. You can't actually believe that.
 You have know idea what their true evaluation/value of Foles is, and if you actually believe his release indicates what you've implied, you're [BLEEP] kidding yourself.  You're reaching there.  Badly. 

Also - they aren't hoping he can re-live a few good games  from this or that season. 
The Jags are very simply counting on their great defense (who held teams to fewer points per game in 2017 and 2018 than the eagles did) and also Foles +70% completion rate over the past two seasons of play to be enough to win those close contests they have lost.  It actually makes perfect sense if you look at it objectively.

And this is coming from a guy that wanted them to draft Haskins and not sign Foles.

And everything you said, you can't show me anything otherwise where people didn't say that, honestly. The people on this site are either full on Foles nut huggers, or they aren't. The world doesn't revolve this site. I've seen/heard/read countless amounts of Eagles fan who nut hug Foles the same as some do on here. Saying the same exact stuff dude. No I'm not going to go through countless amounts of stupid posts for the past months to try and find them on this site. They're there though and you know it man.

Secondly, how does my "wild speculation" have any difference than your comments on said matter? Neither of us both really know at the end of the day. Don't come at me like I'm wrong, or don't have a clue, when all you're doing is using the same assumption as everybody else. They walked away from a "SUPER BOWL MVP" (right?), for an injury prone QB who has failed to finish the past 2 seasons. Those are the facts of the matter...

Again, the dude has played 5-6 games per season, the past 2 seasons. We already know he can come in for a handful of games and play well... That isn't the question at hand. He needs to show that he can be that guy for an entire season, not just for a handful of games.

Think/say what you will, this front office going after Foles showed their hand. There isn't any "what ifs" anymore.. It's playoffs (at the least) right now, or bust.

EDIT: And yes, Hopefully this front office will still make the right decision and draft Haskins if he's still there at #7.

(04-08-2019, 01:41 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 11:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]First of all... I'd love for you to find one single contextual quote from anyone on this board that has ever stated that Foles "won the eagles a super bowl."  I've never seen anyone attempt to site Foles as the catalyst of that.  It's just a disingenuous claim on your part.
 Folks site him as a one-game MVP, but no one states he's the reason they won it or the reason they got there. It's much the same way only the clueless idiots here claim Bortles took the Jags to the AFCCG. 

Secondly -- your wild speculation about the eagles opinion of Foles - (he is nothing more than a product of a system/good team and his loss is of very little value)  --  that's seriously just some herp derp garbage. You can't actually believe that.
 You have know idea what their true evaluation/value of Foles is, and if you actually believe his release indicates what you've implied, you're [BLEEP] kidding yourself.  You're reaching there.  Badly. 

Also - they aren't hoping he can re-live a few good games  from this or that season. 
The Jags are very simply counting on their great defense (who held teams to fewer points per game in 2017 and 2018 than the eagles did) and also Foles +70% completion rate over the past two seasons of play to be enough to win those close contests they have lost.  It actually makes perfect sense if you look at it objectively.

And this is coming from a guy that wanted them to draft Haskins and not sign Foles.

And everything you said, you can't show me anything otherwise where people didn't say that, honestly. The people on this site are either full on Foles nut huggers, or they aren't. The world doesn't revolve this site. I've seen/heard/read countless amounts of Eagles fan who nut hug Foles the same as some do on here. Saying the same exact stuff dude. No I'm not going to go through countless amounts of stupid posts for the past months to try and find them on this site. They're there though and you know it man.

Secondly, how does my "wild speculation" have any difference than your comments on said matter? Neither of us both really know at the end of the day. Don't come at me like I'm wrong, or don't have a clue, when all you're doing is using the same assumption as everybody else. They walked away from a "SUPER BOWL MVP" (right?), for an injury prone QB who has failed to finish the past 2 seasons. Those are the facts of the matter...

Again, the dude has played 5-6 games per season, the past 2 seasons. We already know he can come in for a handful of games and play well... That isn't the question at hand. He needs to show that he can be that guy for an entire season, not just for a handful of games.

Think/say what you will, this front office going after Foles showed their hand. There isn't any "what ifs" anymore.. It's playoffs (at the least) right now, or bust.

EDIT: And yes, Hopefully this front office will still make the right decision and draft Haskins if he's still there at #7.

I think you're letting your personal opinion of Foles distort your perception on the matter. 

The eagles had to choose between two QBs and they chose the younger one with hopefully (for them) more upside. That doesn't mean they flippantly tossed Foles aside. They couldn't afford both of them and they had to choose. 

I disagree with the assertion that people are either hot or cold on Foles. 
I see tons of fans here, on twitter, and in person who are not thrilled with the signing but figure he ought to be an upgrade from what we've had at least. 
I mean - there was a poll and thread on it:

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=30197


Anyway  -- here's hoping Foles can stay healthy and hold up his end of the bargain. 
I'm cautiously optimistic - but I'm glad to see they look to be stocking their training camp roster with backup competition as a contingency.

(04-07-2019, 08:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 02:59 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Indeed they were completely different situations, the patriots had a true franchise QB and another QB that looked like a franchise QB.

The Eagles have two guys that can ride along to win some games, but neither has proven to be a franchise QB. That they were willing to just let Foles walk shows that he's definitely not one, and if he's not one then he's really no better than Bortles. Jaguars had 10 wins with Bortles in 2017, if they get that many with Foles this season I'll be surprised, but if they don't win a superbowl then really all they're doing is spinning their wheels and appeasing the bib brigade by doubling down on overpaying mediocre QBs.

If any QB they pass on this year turns out to be a franchise QB the howls will be deafening, as suddenly everyone knew what a bad idea it was to do.

You’re sleeping on Wentz big time.

Dude was the MVP in 2017 before injury. In 2018, he had a 70% completion percentage and 21 TDS in 11 games. If the Eagles didn’t have one of the top young QBs, Foles would still be there.

Do you think you're showing I'm wrong? My whole point was that the eagles would rather have a guy that's been badly injured repeatedly and didn't win Superbowl MVP, and whom they could probably trade to some team for a pick than having Foles.

If the Jaguars think they can lean on Foles like they couldn't on Bortles they're in for a long season, and if they don't think they can do that then what the heck are they even bothering with screwing up the cap so much for? They could have used that money to pay ngakoue and Ramsey and keep the cap healthy and looked for real QB talent in the draft. Instead they're replaying all the bad aspects of the late 90's and early aughts.

(04-08-2019, 07:24 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2019, 08:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You’re sleeping on Wentz big time.

Dude was the MVP in 2017 before injury. In 2018, he had a 70% completion percentage and 21 TDS in 11 games. If the Eagles didn’t have one of the top young QBs, Foles would still be there.

Do you think you're showing I'm wrong? My whole point was that the eagles would rather have a guy that's been badly injured repeatedly and didn't win Superbowl MVP, and whom they could probably trade to some team for a pick than having Foles.

If the Jaguars think they can lean on Foles like they couldn't on Bortles they're in for a long season, and if they don't think they can do that then what the heck are they even bothering with screwing up the cap so much for? They could have used that money to pay ngakoue and Ramsey and keep the cap healthy and looked for real QB talent in the draft. Instead they're replaying all the bad aspects of the late 90's and early aughts.

They intend to lean on their defense.

They merely expect Foles to move chains more efficiently than Bortles did. 

Not a big ask.