(04-26-2019, 02:47 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2019, 02:19 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]1. Man I'll be annoyed if he's simply released and we get nothing in return for him, he's been one of the better LBs in the league for a few years and is still on his prime.
2. It's hard to say if the team is that turned off, he's the one that has cut contact and disappeared. It seems he's trying to force their hand somewhat.
3. It's possible, and I'd be happy to consider it that way, as long as we get something in return for him.
4. Again, possible, but still premature at this point to suggest some big scheme change is relevant to Telvin's future.
Ultimately it seems like he's possibly made a decision that he doesn't want to be here anymore. Which is strange all round. Maybe he's picked up on the idea that he's not as central to the teams plans as he once was, and taken that personally ... It wouldn't shock me to see him traded at some point today or tomorrow, but I'd still consider it a long shot right now.
Maybe he was asked to take a pay cut. It definitely seems odd if reports are true that he hasn't contacted the team. It's hard to imagine he isn't POed about something.
I heard (maybe on the radio?) that the Jags brass or maybe coaching staff jumped on him hard about poor leadership last year and I also heard a rumor that the Jags brass thinks he was a bad influence in the locker room. And as a result, he's pretty PO'ed.
Personally, I think he's a little overrated. He's really light for a linebacker, and that makes him a liability in run support. I think Myles Jack would be a much better weakside linebacker.
But take all the above with a grain of salt. It's just my feeling. There's always the chance that all of the above is wrong, and he shows up for the mandatory minicamp and everyone is happy. Let's hope so.
He should just replace Fowler. Kicking Calais inside is the best thing we could do. We got burned by bootlegs all year last year because Calais just can't cover the ground to keep the QB from breaking contain. Allen should be an upgrade from Fowler who we got at #3.
We already do this, and have for a while. It's all about alignment and assignment.
People get too caught up in labels and parroting coach speak (like "edge.") Instead, pay more attention to alignment and assignment.
Yes, there is a core philosophy to defenses. But there's nothing to stop 4-3 and 3-4 playbooks from crossing over and using elements of both in situational playcalling, or in the context of opponent preparation.
A lot of this, too is limited to personnel, which isn't a bad thing. As coaches you want to put your guys in the best position to make plays and win football games.
3-4/4-3... it's not a solution in and of itself. It's simply a tool used to get there with the players and ability you have to best execute the play.
(04-28-2019, 03:38 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]He should just replace Fowler. Kicking Calais inside is the best thing we could do. We got burned by bootlegs all year last year because Calais just can't cover the ground to keep the QB from breaking contain. Allen should be an upgrade from Fowler who we got at #3.
If he replaces Fowler, he'll be in the field for less than 50% of the snaps.
Kicking Calais inside on base downs is wasting his strengths.
We got burned by bootlegs because players didn't stick to their assignments. It wasn't because of lack of acumen.
I don't see it as a new scheme, but more a confirmation of the Seattle scheme Wash intended to run all along with Josh Allen as the OTTO.
(04-28-2019, 04:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see it as a new scheme, but more a confirmation of the Seattle scheme Wash intended to run all along with Josh Allen as the OTTO.
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Calling it now. If the whole drama buzzing around Telvin Smiths status with the team and DCs cryptic answers arent just manufacturing drama... i think Telvin is being looked at to be traded bc were gearing towards more of a 3-4 base and Telvin isnt a fit in that defense due to size. Thats the only rational explanation to not want to keep Telvin
(04-28-2019, 10:35 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Calling it now. If the whole drama buzzing around Telvin Smiths status with the team and DCs cryptic answers arent just manufacturing drama... i think Telvin is being looked at to be traded bc were gearing towards more of a 3-4 base and Telvin isnt a fit in that defense due to size. Thats the only rational explanation to not want to keep Telvin
Then why did they draft another undersized LB in the 3rd?
(04-29-2019, 12:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2019, 10:35 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Calling it now. If the whole drama buzzing around Telvin Smiths status with the team and DCs cryptic answers arent just manufacturing drama... i think Telvin is being looked at to be traded bc were gearing towards more of a 3-4 base and Telvin isnt a fit in that defense due to size. Thats the only rational explanation to not want to keep Telvin
Then why did they draft another undersized LB in the 3rd?
And why not draft more LBs period. If you are moving to a 3-4 you need a lot more LBs.
People put too much stock in 3-4 and 4-3. Every team runs the Nickle over 60% of the time anyway
I really hope they put Allen on the field a lot in his rookie season. I remember it taking the coaching staff FOREVER to put Jack on the field when it was clear he was an upgrade over that bum who was starting over him. I forget his name.
(04-29-2019, 07:59 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2019, 12:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Then why did they draft another undersized LB in the 3rd?
And why not draft more LBs period. If you are moving to a 3-4 you need a lot more LBs.
Yep.
Yannick is a classic RDE pass rusher.
Both Fowler and Allen are more stand up rush ROLBs suited for 3-4. Difference being Allen probably has the talent to do either extremely well.
This is why I can't stand the "edge" parroting. The roles/techniques/skill sets of RDEs in 4-3 and 3-4 ROLBs are NOT interchangeable. Only rare pass rushers like Allen could do both (Fowler could not.) This is where the classing "tweener" label came from - guys who are too small or lack technique to be a DE, or maybe can't cover or are a hair slow to close as a rush ROLB.
Long story short... we'll use both in a way we'll get the best out of their skill set, line them up where necessary to be effective.
Williams is said to have the sideline to sideline speed that gives us what Telvin has, and from the clips I've seen has just as strong or better close and finish skills.
I think we'll see more of what we've already shown as far as hybrid positioning, but now I see us as being capable of adding even more nuance. I look at Allen as they guy they hoped Fowler would become but didn't - difference being Allen already does all the things as good or better than they expect from that role (where Fowler really only scratched the surface and only at the very end.)
(04-29-2019, 05:41 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2019, 07:59 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]And why not draft more LBs period. If you are moving to a 3-4 you need a lot more LBs.
Yep.
Yannick is a classic RDE pass rusher.
Both Fowler and Allen are more stand up rush ROLBs suited for 3-4. Difference being Allen probably has the talent to do either extremely well.
This is why I can't stand the "edge" parroting. The roles/techniques/skill sets of RDEs in 4-3 and 3-4 ROLBs are NOT interchangeable. Only rare pass rushers like Allen could do both (Fowler could not.) This is where the classing "tweener" label came from - guys who are too small or lack technique to be a DE, or maybe can't cover or are a hair slow to close as a rush ROLB.
Long story short... we'll use both in a way we'll get the best out of their skill set, line them up where necessary to be effective.
Williams is said to have the sideline to sideline speed that gives us what Telvin has, and from the clips I've seen has just as strong or better close and finish skills.
I think we'll see more of what we've already shown as far as hybrid positioning, but now I see us as being capable of adding even more nuance. I look at Allen as they guy they hoped Fowler would become but didn't - difference being Allen already does all the things as good or better than they expect from that role (where Fowler really only scratched the surface and only at the very end.)
A position grouping doesn't imply players have the same roles , there are many different roles and positions in the WR grouping for instance. Edge refers to outside rushers in the 3-4 and 4-3 as they are pretty similar positions
Draftnicks took the easy way out and grouped them all under "edge" so they wouldn't have to do their actual homework - breaking down their actual skill set and achievements to better determine where the tweeners would fit, if anywhere. RDE and ROLB aren't nearly as close as you're suggesting. Fowler proves that, as does the term "tweener."
(04-29-2019, 06:20 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Draftnicks took the easy way out and grouped them all under "edge" so they wouldn't have to do their actual homework - breaking down their actual skill set and achievements to better determine where the tweeners would fit, if anywhere. RDE and ROLB aren't nearly as close as you're suggesting. Fowler proves that, as does the term "tweener."
That doesn't make any sense. Its a position grouping, so if someone was talking about a potential "edge" player they still talk about their role, technique , fit in 4-3/3-4 , run defense vs pass rush etc etc. You might want to listen to coaches as they use the term edge now too.
Fowler doesn't prove anything. You can be a tweener and an edge at the same time.
This is an "old man yells at cloud" argument if ever i saw one.
(04-26-2019, 01:39 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/zach_goodall/status/...97058?s=21
Not that that diagram isn't valuable, but what is the frequency of NFL teams aligning in a six man blocking surface
and having two backs in the backfield? Not that a 3 - 4 is unsound, it's just that the diagram seems a bit dated to me.
Also, there is an idiom (did I use that word right? I don't think I did. Whatever) among coaches that they constantly come back to; "The Coverage dictates the front". While it seems that most fans focus on the fronts that a team plays, usually the staff looks at it starting from the back moving forward. Do you want two Corners in man-to-man and a Cover Zero look? Then you get eight players for the Primary. You want six coverage guys to protect against 3rd and 7? Then you get five front line players.
The 3 - 4 or 4 - 3 debate is kind of moot in my mind because a defensive alignment and deployment is more about the coverage calls than it is which gaps the DL and LBs are taking.
...but that's just me.
(04-28-2019, 10:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-28-2019, 04:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see it as a new scheme, but more a confirmation of the Seattle scheme Wash intended to run all along with Josh Allen as the OTTO.
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LOL.
I see them bringing back the roles, but the OTTO and LEO designations for those roles are long gone. They'll just be known as the SAM and the RDE.
(04-29-2019, 05:41 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2019, 07:59 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]And why not draft more LBs period. If you are moving to a 3-4 you need a lot more LBs.
Yep.
Yannick is a classic RDE pass rusher.
Both Fowler and Allen are more stand up rush ROLBs suited for 3-4. Difference being Allen probably has the talent to do either extremely well.
This is why I can't stand the "edge" parroting. The roles/techniques/skill sets of RDEs in 4-3 and 3-4 ROLBs are NOT interchangeable. Only rare pass rushers like Allen could do both (Fowler could not.) This is where the classing "tweener" label came from - guys who are too small or lack technique to be a DE, or maybe can't cover or are a hair slow to close as a rush ROLB.
Long story short... we'll use both in a way we'll get the best out of their skill set, line them up where necessary to be effective.
Williams is said to have the sideline to sideline speed that gives us what Telvin has, and from the clips I've seen has just as strong or better close and finish skills.
I think we'll see more of what we've already shown as far as hybrid positioning, but now I see us as being capable of adding even more nuance. I look at Allen as they guy they hoped Fowler would become but didn't - difference being Allen already does all the things as good or better than they expect from that role (where Fowler really only scratched the surface and only at the very end.)
If Todd Wash truly knows what he's doing, Allen will be a beast.
(04-29-2019, 09:03 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I really hope they put Allen on the field a lot in his rookie season. I remember it taking the coaching staff FOREVER to put Jack on the field when it was clear he was an upgrade over that bum who was starting over him. I forget his name.
Dan Skuta?
It's not actually a switch-up to a 3-4. The concepts Todd Wash brought over from Seattle are inherent in the scheme and have always been part of the playbook. When it became apparent that finding a guy like Josh Allen was no easy task, we acquired Campbell to take care of the strongside pass rush and went with the more traditional 4-3 and nickel packages. Now that Josh Allen is on board, I suspect he'll take over the SAM spot allowing Wash to field the kind of defense he's long wanted to with unrelenting pressure on QBs.
When you look at that diagram, keep in mind that the Seattle scheme is at its heart a 3-4 disguised as a 4-3.
I'm picturing Campbell possibly moving inside to the 3-tech with Tavon moving outside as more of a run stuffing DE much like a 3-4 DE. In other words,
RDE Ngakoue
DT Campbell
NT Dareus
LDE Bryan
WILL Smith
MLB Jack
SAM Allen
With Yannick coming out wide on the right side, Campbell busting through inside, and Allen blitzing outside... this year's Sacksonville squad just might set a team record. Moreover, out of this 4-3 lookthey can really do anything so teams will be kept guessing.