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I'm just saying that Dave Caldwell (or whoever blesses these picks) always looks good in April. But around January we're always calling for his butt to get canned.

(04-26-2019, 09:06 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/IrishJaguar/status/1...0367844352

@I wonder what our aversion to the 38th pick is.@

Trust in the process guys. We won't be last in the division now. Isn't that enough? What more do yall want?

(04-29-2019, 11:55 AM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]Trust in the process guys. We won't be last in the division now. Isn't that enough? What more do yall want?

Being happy with not last in the division is how you end up a Bungles fan.

(04-27-2019, 01:01 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 12:38 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know? You won't know until he gets on the field.

Doesn't matter how good he is. No one had him with a draft grade.

Do you pay $100 for something if you are the only person who wants it? Do you wait and say here is $5 as there is no demand? The Jags overpaid making it a terrible pick.

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1010XL played audio this morning from someone in the SF front office.  I didn't catch who it was unfortunately, but to say there was no demand is complete garbage.  They were looking at him and said he ended up in the perfect place.  There was another report that indicated another team was looking at him in the 4th round as a potential pick.  Odds are that's why the Jags drafted the kid.  If you have watched a minute of film on him, you'd see the potential there.  In the right system, he could develop into something pretty special.  

I enjoy reading armchair GM commentary on how the Jags overpaid the guy.  He was a late 3rd rounder.  How much is the check you're stroking going to cost you for his services?  I'm assuming it's costing you something since you're so concerned about ovepaying.

I'm sure it's easy for you to call the picks from the comfort of your couch.  And since you and Andrew Jerimiah didn't have any analysis on the guy, that means nobody (except for NFL GMs, Scouts, and ESPN) thought he was worth consideration, right?  If the team ends up getting a stud with that pick, I'm sure you'll be mute on the subject.  In the meantime I recommend looking up film on him because the guy is a thumper.

If the fron office made a habit of drafting small school guys, maybe I'd get it. The don't. Gene Smith has been gone for several years. So, if this front office, and the scouts actually found this guy and saw something worth offering up a late 3rd for, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. But, I don't fancy myself a personnell expert sitting on a couch in my mom's basementt, so maybe you see it differently.

Seriously, is it impossible to just show a little patience to see what this kid has to offer in OTAs, camp, or the preseason before we determine we overspent on him? Too much to ask for? Especially since this front office has shown great aptitude for identifying talent in the middle rounds. Maybe they might know something you don't about this kid?

(04-27-2019, 09:35 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 09:18 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]We feel this way every year since Caldwell has been here. Last year we got a grade A draft and then ended up 5-11

Yeah, 130 games lost to injury will do that to a team.

Keep in mind that there's a segment of the fan base that seriously believes injuries are excuses, and if Caldwell and Coughlin were doing their jobs well, we'd have all pro depth to step up and take their place.

Caldwell was doing great until he thought Quincy Williams was the DL from Alabama. Oh well, minor oversight

(04-29-2019, 04:59 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 01:01 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't matter how good he is. No one had him with a draft grade.

Do you pay $100 for something if you are the only person who wants it? Do you wait and say here is $5 as there is no demand? The Jags overpaid making it a terrible pick.

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1010XL played audio this morning from someone in the SF front office.  I didn't catch who it was unfortunately, but to say there was no demand is complete garbage.  They were looking at him and said he ended up in the perfect place.  There was another report that indicated another team was looking at him in the 4th round as a potential pick.  Odds are that's why the Jags drafted the kid.  If you have watched a minute of film on him, you'd see the potential there.  In the right system, he could develop into something pretty special.  

I enjoy reading armchair GM commentary on how the Jags overpaid the guy.  He was a late 3rd rounder.  How much is the check you're stroking going to cost you for his services?  I'm assuming it's costing you something since you're so concerned about ovepaying.

I'm sure it's easy for you to call the picks from the comfort of your couch.  And since you and Andrew Jerimiah didn't have any analysis on the guy, that means nobody (except for NFL GMs, Scouts, and ESPN) thought he was worth consideration, right?  If the team ends up getting a stud with that pick, I'm sure you'll be mute on the subject.  In the meantime I recommend looking up film on him because the guy is a thumper.

If the fron office made a habit of drafting small school guys, maybe I'd get it.  The don't.  Gene Smith has been gone for several years.  So, if this front office, and the scouts actually found this guy and saw something worth offering up a late 3rd for, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.  But, I don't fancy myself a personnell expert sitting on a couch in my mom's basementt, so maybe you see it differently.

Seriously, is it impossible to just show a little patience to see what this kid has to offer in OTAs, camp, or the preseason  before we determine we overspent on him?  Too much to ask for?  Especially since this front office has shown great aptitude for identifying talent in the middle rounds.  Maybe they might know something you don't about this kid?

It was Kyle Shanahan. 

Also  - The Falcons reportedly tried to trade up in the 3rd for Quincy Williams.

And one of the major sites draft grades said they texted 5 team college scouting directors and they all said they had undrafted grades on Williams. You'll always find the snippet that makes your biases feel good.

(04-29-2019, 06:00 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1122119100166225920

From a guy who’s got no skin in the game.

(04-29-2019, 05:53 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]And one of the major sites draft grades said they texted 5 team college scouting directors and they all said they had undrafted grades on Williams. You'll always find the snippet that makes your biases feel good.

Actually I clicked on about 7 google search links about it and searched twitter on the topic -  and I only found the Shanahan and Falcons trade up snippets everywhere I looked. 

Where did you read that report?

(04-29-2019, 06:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2019, 05:53 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]And one of the major sites draft grades said they texted 5 team college scouting directors and they all said they had undrafted grades on Williams. You'll always find the snippet that makes your biases feel good.

Actually I clicked on about 7 google search links about it and searched twitter on the topic -  and I only found the Shanahan and Falcons trade up snippets everywhere I looked. 

Where did you read that report?

The magical land where all his biases are confirmed.

(04-29-2019, 06:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2019, 05:53 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]And one of the major sites draft grades said they texted 5 team college scouting directors and they all said they had undrafted grades on Williams. You'll always find the snippet that makes your biases feel good.

Actually I clicked on about 7 google search links about it and searched twitter on the topic -  and I only found the Shanahan and Falcons trade up snippets everywhere I looked. 

Where did you read that report?

Don’t expect a response here.

(04-30-2019, 03:53 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-29-2019, 06:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Actually I clicked on about 7 google search links about it and searched twitter on the topic -  and I only found the Shanahan and Falcons trade up snippets everywhere I looked. 

Where did you read that report?

Don’t expect a response here.

Yeah you know me, dodger of questions...I said where I saw it, one of the major sites draft grades. I read like two dozen of them and don't remember which one...so take it or leave it. I am dealing with a very fussy 5 week old baby this week and couldn't care less either way.

(04-30-2019, 08:15 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-30-2019, 03:53 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t expect a response here.

Yeah you know me, dodger of questions...I said where I saw it, one of the major sites draft grades. I read like two dozen of them and don't remember which one...so take it or leave it. I am dealing with a very fussy 5 week old baby this week and couldn't care less either way.

I’m sure. I couldn’t find anything like this after about a 10 minute google search skimming at least 30 articles. I’m sure it’s out there though because you said it is. Next time you make claims such as the one above, try including a link. That is of course - assuming it actually exists.

The Williams pick has been beaten to death here but you have to give Dave Caldwell credit for making the pick over many more "popular" options. He wasn't drafting with job security in mind- he hit a home run (albeit somewhat lucky) in Round 1 and followed it up with a solid hit in Round 2, almost a second home run in the eyes of many. In Round 3, the TE was an adequate pick, not sexy but necessary (over Sternberger and Knox, both likely preferred by the MB experts).

Then came the compensatory pick and according to many here he whiffed. Think about it, had he made a popular pick such as Gardner-Johnson, Hakeem Butler or even Will Grier, he would have been hailed here by most as the GOAT of GMs for at least a couple of months.

He had to know he'd be skewered by the experts listed above and had to understand that his pick would forever be compared to the players taken after his pick (he also had to realize the Brian Anger comparisons). Yet he stood tall and made the pick. I'll give him credit for that and look forward to seeing QW play.

I'm a little bit surprised of the absence of Tom Coughlin reference in this thread.

If we're talking about 2017-2019 then this thread may as well be titled' "CoughWell."

We are told these picks are consensus selections agreed upon between Caldwell and his Administrative superior, Coughlin.

(05-06-2019, 10:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a little bit surprised of the absence of Tom Coughlin reference in this thread.

If we're talking about 2017-2019 then this thread may as well be titled' "CoughWell."

We are told these picks are consensus selections agreed upon between Caldwell and his Administrative superior, Coughlin.

Funny you should say that. In my blah blah post above, I had considered adding TC into it but chose not to, laying all of the blame/credit at the feet of DC. Maybe we are all backing away from the conviction that TC is running the show?
Maybe TC is backing off and ceding complete control to DC?

Knowing TC as we do, is that even possible?

(05-06-2019, 10:30 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-06-2019, 10:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a little bit surprised of the absence of Tom Coughlin reference in this thread.

If we're talking about 2017-2019 then this thread may as well be titled' "CoughWell."

We are told these picks are consensus selections agreed upon between Caldwell and his Administrative superior, Coughlin.

Funny you should say that. In my blah blah post above, I had considered adding TC into it but chose not to, laying all of the blame/credit at the feet of DC. Maybe we are all backing away from the conviction that TC is running the show?
Maybe TC is backing off and ceding complete control to DC?

Knowing TC as we do, is that even possible?

It's hard to know how it's playing out, but I still suspect DC is doing what he's always done to prepare for the draft, and as they near completion of their big board and plan picks and contingencies, TC gets more and more involved in the fine tuning process.   

And of course he has to sign off on every pick and transaction.

(05-06-2019, 10:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-06-2019, 10:30 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Funny you should say that. In my blah blah post above, I had considered adding TC into it but chose not to, laying all of the blame/credit at the feet of DC. Maybe we are all backing away from the conviction that TC is running the show?
Maybe TC is backing off and ceding complete control to DC?

Knowing TC as we do, is that even possible?

It's hard to know how it's playing out, but I still suspect DC is doing what he's always done to prepare for the draft, and as they near completion of their big board and plan picks and contingencies, TC gets more and more involved in the fine tuning process.   

And of course he has to sign off on every pick and transaction.

He surely does. I'm having a hard time seeing him sign off on an unknown linebacker over, say, another DE...knowing how much he loves the DEs. Looking back at the picks, the DEs that followed QW were Maxx Crosby and Anthony Nelson at 8 and 9 picks later and Austin Bryant a little after that.

Maybe they suck, I don't know, but they also passed on the guys I mentioned above plus Cajuste, Finley, Justice Hill, Samia, etc. That's a lot of guys that the casual fan (i.e. me) knows and may have preferred given our lack of true knowledge. For him to go with QW and have TC sign off I think was bold (pretty much proves that they draft guys they've scouted instead of listening to us lol).