(05-06-2019, 11:15 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2019, 10:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's hard to know how it's playing out, but I still suspect DC is doing what he's always done to prepare for the draft, and as they near completion of their big board and plan picks and contingencies, TC gets more and more involved in the fine tuning process.
And of course he has to sign off on every pick and transaction.
He surely does. I'm having a hard time seeing him sign off on an unknown linebacker over, say, another DE...knowing how much he loves the DEs. Looking back at the picks, the DEs that followed QW were Maxx Crosby and Anthony Nelson at 8 and 9 picks later and Austin Bryant a little after that.
Maybe they suck, I don't know, but they also passed on the guys I mentioned above plus Cajuste, Finley, Justice Hill, Samia, etc. That's a lot of guys that the casual fan (i.e. me) knows and may have preferred given our lack of true knowledge. For him to go with QW and have TC sign off I think was bold (pretty much proves that they draft guys they've scouted instead of listening to us lol).
I think the first 2 picks were TC and come round 3 Tom went ahead and let Dave get his guys. Seems like it's been that way the last few years. He even mentioned he thought about drafting Armstead in round 3, they all talked about who they felt would be there in round 5 between Armstead and Williams and they went ahead with Williams and Armstead did fall to round 5.
(05-06-2019, 03:51 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2019, 11:15 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]He surely does. I'm having a hard time seeing him sign off on an unknown linebacker over, say, another DE...knowing how much he loves the DEs. Looking back at the picks, the DEs that followed QW were Maxx Crosby and Anthony Nelson at 8 and 9 picks later and Austin Bryant a little after that.
Maybe they suck, I don't know, but they also passed on the guys I mentioned above plus Cajuste, Finley, Justice Hill, Samia, etc. That's a lot of guys that the casual fan (i.e. me) knows and may have preferred given our lack of true knowledge. For him to go with QW and have TC sign off I think was bold (pretty much proves that they draft guys they've scouted instead of listening to us lol).
I think the first 2 picks were TC and come round 3 Tom went ahead and let Dave get his guys. Seems like it's been that way the last few years. He even mentioned he thought about drafting Armstead in round 3, they all talked about who they felt would be there in round 5 between Armstead and Williams and they went ahead with Williams and Armstead did fall to round 5.
I think it was a collaborative process with only really Quincy standing out as being Caldwells sole pick. Dave does run the scouting and draft process after all.
Josh Allen was on top of their board and Taylor likely was too
I wonder what kind of grade QW has if he attended Alabama or Ohio State?
(05-06-2019, 05:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2019, 03:51 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think the first 2 picks were TC and come round 3 Tom went ahead and let Dave get his guys. Seems like it's been that way the last few years. He even mentioned he thought about drafting Armstead in round 3, they all talked about who they felt would be there in round 5 between Armstead and Williams and they went ahead with Williams and Armstead did fall to round 5.
I think it was a collaborative process with only really Quincy standing out as being Caldwells sole pick. Dave does run the scouting and draft process after all.
Josh Allen was on top of their board and Taylor likely was too
I'm willing to wager they would have taken Taylor if Allen was gone.
I personally wouldn't have, but if the Bryan pick tells us anything if they like him they'll strike if they don't think he'll be around by the next pick.
As far as Tom v Dave... I'm betting Tom has the override button, but is willing to hear what Dave says. It's probably Dave picking but only after Tom's review. Especially in the top rounds.
(05-07-2019, 10:07 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2019, 05:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I think it was a collaborative process with only really Quincy standing out as being Caldwells sole pick. Dave does run the scouting and draft process after all.
Josh Allen was on top of their board and Taylor likely was too
I'm willing to wager they would have taken Taylor if Allen was gone.
I personally wouldn't have, but if the Bryan pick tells us anything if they like him they'll strike if they don't think he'll be around by the next pick.
As far as Tom v Dave... I'm betting Tom has the override button, but is willing to hear what Dave says. It's probably Dave picking but only after Tom's review. Especially in the top rounds.
Jonah and Hock were more likely picks I think.
Yeah Tom has final say after all, but the entire process is a collaboration and Dave runs the draft process and scouting. Fair to say both of them were over the moon with their 1st two picks.
(05-07-2019, 10:07 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2019, 05:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I think it was a collaborative process with only really Quincy standing out as being Caldwells sole pick. Dave does run the scouting and draft process after all.
Josh Allen was on top of their board and Taylor likely was too
I'm willing to wager they would have taken Taylor if Allen was gone.
I personally wouldn't have, but if the Bryan pick tells us anything if they like him they'll strike if they don't think he'll be around by the next pick.
As far as Tom v Dave... I'm betting Tom has the override button, but is willing to hear what Dave says. It's probably Dave picking but only after Tom's review. Especially in the top rounds.
I think it would of been Oliver. I think they were hoping one of the elite defenders fell and we got luck, got to pick out of Allen and Oliver
(05-08-2019, 12:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-07-2019, 10:07 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]I'm willing to wager they would have taken Taylor if Allen was gone.
I personally wouldn't have, but if the Bryan pick tells us anything if they like him they'll strike if they don't think he'll be around by the next pick.
As far as Tom v Dave... I'm betting Tom has the override button, but is willing to hear what Dave says. It's probably Dave picking but only after Tom's review. Especially in the top rounds.
I think it would of been Oliver. I think they were hoping one of the elite defenders fell and we got luck, got to pick out of Allen and Oliver
What they said afterwards seemed to suggest it was Hockenson but the overall talent and positional value of Allen made it easy
(05-08-2019, 01:08 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019, 12:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it would of been Oliver. I think they were hoping one of the elite defenders fell and we got luck, got to pick out of Allen and Oliver
What they said afterwards seemed to suggest it was Hockenson but the overall talent and positional value of Allen made it easy
Dave didnt say Allen was the next player above Hockeson. He said he was one level grade above TJ. I'm sure Oliver was a level above too but they went with the edge guy and the guy with no red flags. I think if Hockenson was the next guy on their board Dave would of said that instead of saying he was a level grade above
O.K. here's my take on the decision making process w/respect to our 2019 NFL draft. Coughlin likes to draft BIG offensive and defensively. Both Coughlin and Caldwell just knew that Allen wouldn't fall to us and was poised to pick Taylor. BUT when Allen did fall, it was a no brainer. The selection card was delivered in what, three minutes.
On to round two. When Taylor lasted this far and we the Jaguars was within an -2 selection range, the decision was made to trade up and select our future RT. Upon getting the BEST DE/LB and the projected BEST RT, Coughlin relinquished control to Caldwell and the rest is history.
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(05-08-2019, 04:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019, 01:08 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]What they said afterwards seemed to suggest it was Hockenson but the overall talent and positional value of Allen made it easy
(05-08-2019, 04:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ][quote='JackCity' pid='1213202' dateline='1557335322']
What they said afterwards seemed to suggest it was Hockenson but the overall talent and positional value of Allen made it easy
Dave didnt say Allen was the next player above Hockeson. He said he was one level grade above TJ. I'm sure Oliver was a level above too but they went with the edge guy and the guy with no red flags. I think if Hockenson was the next guy on their board Dave would of said that instead of saying he was a level grade above
That's literally what I just said. Caldwell said Hockenson was a guy they liked at 7 but said Allen was a bit above him on the board in terms of talent (and presumably positional value). Didn't mention Ed.
(05-08-2019, 07:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019, 04:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
Dave didnt say Allen was the next player above Hockeson. He said he was one level grade above TJ. I'm sure Oliver was a level above too but they went with the edge guy and the guy with no red flags. I think if Hockenson was the next guy on their board Dave would of said that instead of saying he was a level grade above
That's literally what I just said. Caldwell said Hockenson was a guy they liked at 7 but said Allen was a bit above him on the board in terms of talent (and presumably positional value). Didn't mention Ed.
He didnt mention Ed because they were asking him about Hockenson. Allen was a level up on their board and I bet Ed was too. Dave might of wanted to pick Hockenson but I doubt Tom would of had that with Oliver sitting there
(05-08-2019, 07:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-08-2019, 07:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]That's literally what I just said. Caldwell said Hockenson was a guy they liked at 7 but said Allen was a bit above him on the board in terms of talent (and presumably positional value). Didn't mention Ed.
He didnt mention Ed because they were asking him about Hockenson. Allen was a level up on their board and I bet Ed was too. Dave might of wanted to pick Hockenson but I doubt Tom would of had that with Oliver sitting there
Here's what we do know: They were considering Hockenson at 7 and if not for Allen he may well have been the pick, Allen was just on a higher tier than him.
Wouldn't surprise if Ed was too, just more guess work involved in that Vs Hockenson.
(05-09-2019, 03:24 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm thinking the top of their board when picking looked like...
- Josh Allen
- Ed Oliver
- TJ Hockenson
- Jawaan Taylor
That's how I see it as well
(05-09-2019, 03:24 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm thinking the top of their board when picking looked like...
- Josh Allen
- Ed Oliver
- TJ Hockenson
- Jawaan Taylor
My best guess?
1. Allen
2. Hockenson
3. Jonah Williams
I think they loved Taylor but I don't think he was near the top of their board when they picked at #7.