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I think this draft was a C- off the strength of the first two alone. I didn’t like the Williams pick and we didn’t bring in a receiver

Overall I think the first three picks we made were good. I think we'll get good return value from Allen, Taylor and Oliver early.

But when the Quincy Williams pick happened I started to worry. It felt like they were starting to make luxury type decisions when they don't have the luxury of doing that with as many holes as they have on offense.

I don't think a QB signing and bringing his familiar face of an OC/QB coach in is going to be enough for this offense in 2019. So it's disappointing that they missed on a WR and RB that offered more versatility to an offense that is stubborn and seems to want to remain one dimensional.

I give the class a decent C+. Again, loved the first three picks. But they had to make that extra pick in RD3 really, really count. Passing on a WR or RB there could turn out being a mistake.

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I gave it a B-

I gave day 1:  An A+.  We may have got the best pass rusher in the draft. 

I gave day 2 a B simply for the Taylor pick and trade.   I'm iffy about Oliver and know nothing about the other guy.

Day 3 gets a C-.  We traded away one 7th rounder for a 6th rounder next year.  Armstead seems to be the highlight of the day.  Just meh!

I gave it a B. We were really lucky to have Josh Allen fall in our lap. There seemed to be so much negativity around Jawaan Taylor that last week leading up to the draft so at the time I was hoping for someone like Risner but the coaches obviously feel really good about the pick so I'm feeling more confident about it. Hopefully he'll lock down the right tackle spot for the next 7-8 years. Liked the Josh Oliver pick. A number of TEs on the board we could have gone with. Didn't care too much which one we went with but feel like Oliver could have the highest ceiling as a WR.

Felt like the draft took a bad turn after that. Im hoping Quincy works out the way the team thinks he will. Undersized linebacker that mostly played safety in college but bulked up to play LB in the NFL. Feels like the kind of pick a team that is totally stacked can afford to make when they want to take a flyer on a boom/bust type of pick. Glad we grabbed a RB. But with the direction of the NFL coupled with Foles being a guy who likes to throw underneath, felt like it would make more sense to get a guy who is a bit more of a threat catching the ball out of the backfield. Also glad we took a QB and I think Minshew is an interesting prospect. Feels like his ceiling is a lot lower than a guy like Tyree Jackson. Minshew feels more like a guy you take when you want to shore up your backup spot and if he ends up more than that it's a pleasant surprise. A guy like Jackson has the ideal skillset but would need time to develop. Kinda feel like our backup situation is fine, would rather take the chance on a high ceiling guy. As far as the 7th rounder, just as good as anyone.

Round 1 pick : EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky A+
Round 2 pick : OT Jawaan Taylor, Florida A
Round 3 pick : TE Josh Oliver, San Jose State B
Round 3 pick : LB Quincy Williams, Murray State D
Round 5 pick : RB Ryquell Armstead, Temple B
Round 6 pick : QB Gardner Minshew, Washington State C-
Round 7 pick : DT Dontavius Russell, Auburn D

Man you're keeping it real old wise one. I knew I went too soft on my grades.

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im gonna say a B, i feel like the 1st 2 rounds they went BAP and starting in round 3 they started drafting need. Caldwell even kind of admitted it in his presser saying they wanted certain positions

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/gallery/2...er-murray/

Top 5 draft class according to USA Today

(04-27-2019, 06:31 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 06:27 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That was before we signed Foles and signed McGough. Now, we have 5 QB's on the roster counting Kessler and Lee. That's complete overkill!

Quote: even if we have to draft two of them. Whether it will happen in 2019 or 2020 is the real question.

Now it’s overkill? It’s highly likely they’ll only carry 2 on the roster. Why not take as many stabs at it to get it right as humanly possible?

I’d take a chance at a franchise changing QB any day over a backup replacement level Guard.

Do you know the difference between drafting an unknown rookie QB who you needs competition just to up your chances of getting a decent one and signing last the 2018 Superbowl MVP QB? We paid a lot of money for Foles. That means he is DEFINITELY the starter. If we drafted 2 QB's it would be an open competition. There is a HUGE difference. We signed a definite starting QB. We did not need another one. We already had 4 on the roster. I'd MUCH rather get more competition on the offensive interior over a 5th QB who will likely be competing for a PS position. That's a no-brainer.

Being able to come away with the first two picks alone gives it a solid A.

I'd give it a B- but hindsight is 20/20 and we have to let them develop and see them on the field for a couple of years. My only real gripe is I don't think we had to trade up to get a new RT in the 2nd. Unless we just coveted Taylor a lot more than Ford. From the 3rd pick on I have doubts about any of them contributing anything. If any of them surprise then it would be a solid draft.

(04-27-2019, 08:29 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]im gonna say a B, i feel like the 1st 2 rounds they went BAP and starting in round 3 they started drafting need.  Caldwell even kind of admitted it in his presser saying they wanted certain positions

That's where the grades begin to level out (the pools of players at that value are relatively equal) and you can fill need without moving out of value.

I see a lot of people sleeping on Armstead.

(04-27-2019, 09:41 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I see a lot of people sleeping on Armstead.

MJD really liked him for us weeks before the draft.

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By the way, USAToday gives our draft an A-, while Sporting News gives us a B+.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news...r40730hj70

(04-27-2019, 09:28 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 06:31 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Now it’s overkill? It’s highly likely they’ll only carry 2 on the roster. Why not take as many stabs at it to get it right as humanly possible?

I’d take a chance at a franchise changing QB any day over a backup replacement level Guard.

Do you know the difference between drafting an unknown rookie QB who you needs competition just to up your chances of getting a decent one and signing last the 2018 Superbowl MVP QB? We paid a lot of money for Foles. That means he is DEFINITELY the starter. If we drafted 2 QB's it would be an open competition. There is a HUGE difference. We signed a definite starting QB. We did not need another one. We already had 4 on the roster. I'd MUCH rather get more competition on the offensive interior over a 5th QB who will likely be competing for a PS position. That's a no-brainer.

The only thing I think about drafting a qb when you have a solid starter is why do you waste a draft pick unless that selection could come in case of injury to your starter and play well enough that you continue to win?  I'm thinking of someone like Jacoby Brissett.  We already have Kessler.  Looks like they drafted Kessler 1.1.

NFL.com grades the Jaguars an A-

Quote:Jacksonville Jaguars
Draft picks: Kentucky DE Josh Allen (No. 7 overall); Florida OT Jawaan Taylor (No. 35); Josh Oliver (No. 69); Murray State LB Quincy Williams (No. 98); Temple RB Ryquell Armstead (No. 140); Washington State QB Gardner Minshew (No. 178); Auburn DT Dontavius Russell (No. 235)
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: B
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: A-
Draft analysis: The Jaguars got great value in Allen, a top-three talent, at No. 7 overall. They can play him all over the place to wreak havoc as a pass rusher, and he can make plays in coverage, too. It was either Ed Oliver or Allen at this pick, and I can't blame them for going in this direction with former first-round pick Taven Bryan waiting in the wings.
Finding Taylor in the second round was a great pick, and the price they paid to move up for him is no big deal given that he was one of the top linemen in the draft. Hopefully his knees will allow him to maximize his abilities. Oliver will be an effective receiving target for the Jaguars. Williams was an unexpected pick in the third round who probably would have been available later.
Armstead went about where I expected, and was a decent find with the Jags in need of a backup behind oft-injured Leonard Fournette. Minshew was a fantastic pick in the sixth round as a young QB who will play in the league. Russell beefs up the inside of the defensive line.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...l-32-teams

People really giving Taylor in round 2 a C? Ok lol this fan base never ceases to amaze me

Round 1 pick : EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky (A)

He's an A+ when it comes to value.  Most considered him one of the three best players in the draft and we got him at #7.  I was tempted to give him an A+, but it wasn't our biggest need.  However, he's still a very strong A.  Definitely a home run.

Round 2 pick : OT Jawaan Taylor, Florida (A)

Need met value here.  Jawaan Taylor was the most popular pick for us in mock drafts at #7 overall and he's available to us in the second round?  Absolutely amazing.  BTW, it was smart to trade up.  The team one spot ahead of us took an offensive tackle.  Taylor would likely have been gone if the Jags didn't have the foresight to trade up.  It was great to start off the draft with back to back home runs.

Round 3 pick : TE Josh Oliver, San Jose State (B)

This was clearly our biggest need.  As for value, there's some risk, but he seems more than likely to be decent.  

Round 3 pick : LB Quincy Williams, Murray State (F)

Let me preface this by saying that I don't just throw out F's.  If I'm not mistaken, this is the first "F" I've given since the Jaguars drafted a punter in the third round.  This pick is just a complete miss.  Linebacker was very low on my list of needs at this draft spot.  As for value, I can't find anyone who thought this guy would even be drafted.  Even Quincy Williams admitted that he was looking at UDFA destinations.  I don't see him as a future starter.  I don't even see him high on our backup depth chart.  He'll likely play special teams and little else.  You don't draft that in the third round.  He'll make the team because he was a third round pick, but if he had been a late round pick or an UDFA, he would be considered a "bubble" guy to even make the team.  I could maybe understand taking a late round flyer or something on him, but third round?  Wow.  This was an awful, awful pick. (One awful isn't enough.)

Round 5 pick : RB Ryquell Armstead, Temple (B-)

It's a big need.  You need two running backs in the NFL and I wasn't excited about our free agent acquisitions.  Fournette has also shown to be very injury prone.  The only question is value.  Armstead seems like he'll be a decent backup, but not a lot of upside potential.

Round 6 pick : QB Gardner Minshew, Washington State (C-)

Quarterback is the most important position and I don't like our depth.  That being said, did we get value?  At best, he appears to be a career backup and I'm not sure he's even that.  The odds seem to favor him not even making our 53 man roster.  He's probably headed to our practice squad.

Round 7 pick : DT Dontavius Russell, Auburn (B+)

It may have gone under the radar for many people, but if you look at the depth chart, this was a big need.  After our two starting defensive tackles, who do we have for depth?  Yes, Campbell or Bryan will play there on passing downs, but what about running downs?  Russell dropped because he's a run stuffing specialist, but that's exactly what we need.  For a 7th rounder, you are happy if they make the team.  Not only do I think he does that, but he has a great chance at getting snaps in the game day rotation.  Solid pick for such a late position in the draft.

A more insightful approach would be to adopt a more advanced grading framework that follows a weighted scale.

IMO, the greatest weight is on the first round and successive picks until round three.

Beyond that, four and below follow a rapidly decreasing rate, as they are much less likely to become a contributor and/or starter as they are much less likely (and much expected) to even make the roster.

Round 1 pick : EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky (A++)
Round 2 pick : OT Jawaan Taylor, Florida (B+)
Round 3 pick : TE Josh Oliver, San Jose State (A+)
Round 3 pick : LB Quincy Williams, Murray State (A+)
Round 5 pick : RB Ryquell Armstead, Temple (B)
Round 6 pick : QB Gardner Minshew, Washington State (A+++++++++)
Round 7 pick : DT Dontavius Russell, Auburn ©