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Cynthia Frelund picked us as best draft for translating directly into wins next season. She's good with numbers, you can't refute the numbers.

Why is everyone whining. I like the QB pick. He might have to relief pitch a couple of games. Who knows. Oh wait, you want Kessler?

We have our Oline just right we don’t need a 4th round guard. When guys start getting hurt then we have bigger issues.

We all wanted a TE now you got 2 new ones. Oh wait you still want Koyak? Can he block heck no but I want a field stretcher.

And then there’s Allen who seriously might give you 7 sacks as a rookie!

Oh and we got a first round talent in round 2 with Taylor.

Plain and simple, the guys who aren’t elite will just have to step the heck up if we want to win a championship.

A ton of people outside of Jax are saying we are one of the teams that won the draft along with Arizona and Bucs.

Its time to get ready for camp baby!

(04-27-2019, 09:36 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Being able to come away with the first two picks alone gives it a solid A.

Absolutely. 

The rest is gravy although I don't understand the arrogance of this front office in drafting players that they've spent hundreds of hours discussing, evaluating, interviewing and viewing film on over the guys that I wanted (after spending countless minutes poring over message board posts and an 8 dollar draft magazine).

(04-28-2019, 01:08 AM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]A more insightful approach would be to adopt a more advanced grading framework that follows a weighted scale.

IMO, the greatest weight is on the first round and successive picks until round three.

Beyond that, four and below follow a rapidly decreasing rate, as they are much less likely to become a contributor and/or starter as they are much less likely (and much expected) to even make the roster.

Yes, we tend to lose sight of the this. Although the Williams pick let the air out of the room, the big hay was already in the barn. 

Now, to complete the draft weekend, NH3 has to weigh in with a couple "Time will tell" comments.

(04-27-2019, 10:26 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]People really giving Taylor in round 2 a C? Ok lol this fan base never ceases to amaze me

Well we traded up and took a worse player than the lineman who went with our original pick so...

Who voted F? Show yourselves so we know who to never give credence to...

(04-27-2019, 09:11 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]https://draftwire.usatoday.com/gallery/2...er-murray/

Top 5 draft class according to USA Today

Yet, some people are whining like we had a bottom 5 draft...

(04-28-2019, 03:50 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Cynthia Frelund picked us as best draft for translating directly into wins next season. She's good with numbers, you can't refute the numbers.

Based on her past work through the years, I am thoroughly convinced that this woman is a closet genius.

Round 1 pick : EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky (A+)
Round 2 pick : OT Jawaan Taylor, Florida (A-)
Round 3 pick : TE Josh Oliver, San Jose State (C-)
Round 3 pick : LB Quincy Williams, Murray State (B+)
Round 5 pick : RB Ryquell Armstead, Temple (B)
Round 6 pick : QB Gardner Minshew, Washington State (B)
Round 7 pick : DT Dontavius Russell, Auburn (F)

(04-27-2019, 07:41 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Round 1 pick : EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky  A+
Round 2 pick : OT Jawaan Taylor, Florida  A
Round 3 pick : TE Josh Oliver, San Jose State  B
Round 3 pick : LB Quincy Williams, Murray State  D
Round 5 pick : RB Ryquell Armstead, Temple  B
Round 6 pick : QB Gardner Minshew, Washington State  C-
Round 7 pick : DT Dontavius Russell, Auburn  D

I originally voted the draft a B- based on the picks of Williams, Minshew, and Russell.  Allen, Taylor, Oliver, and Armstead were all great to solid picks.

I still think the Williams pick in inexplicable at that spot.  Unless he's going to play safety instead of linebacker, he's a blue light special Telvin Smith.  I would much rather have seen another OL with that pick.  Or we could have had Will Grier.  Now there would be a backup QB.  Guards Samia, Froholdt, and Powers were all still on the board.

I've really warmed up to the Minshew.  Though I don't see him becoming starter material necessarily, he could be the actual competition to become an upgrade to Kessler.  At the very least, he'll be a less expensive version of Kessler.

Russell is just meh.  I don't know what I'm expecting with a 7th round pick.  He's as good as any, I suppose.

(04-27-2019, 06:30 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Jawaan Taylor - C - Fine value on talent alone, but several red flags and the cementing of our stone age offense makes this far from the home run many say. Especially considering they traded up only to have Ford and Risner go at the original pick and two picks later.

I disagree here totally. The fact that Ford and Risner went immediately after proves that they needed to trade up to get Taylor. Ford is more of a G, and Risner is nowhere near as good of a run blocker. The pick provides not just "fine value," but exceptional value considering most mock had him either going to the Jaguars at #7 or soon after as a top-two OT in this draft. The pick also fills a critical need. I'm giving it a solid A.

(04-28-2019, 04:08 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 06:30 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Jawaan Taylor - C - Fine value on talent alone, but several red flags and the cementing of our stone age offense makes this far from the home run many say. Especially considering they traded up only to have Ford and Risner go at the original pick and two picks later.

I disagree here totally. The fact that Ford and Risner went immediately after proves that they needed to trade up to get Taylor. Ford is more of a G, and Risner is nowhere near as good of a run blocker. The pick provides not just "fine value," but exceptional value considering most mock had him either going to the Jaguars at #7 or soon after as a top-two OT in this draft. The pick also fills a critical need. I'm giving it a solid A.

Yeah, the only people that would give that a C grade are the only ones that don't watch the games and looks at combine numbers and spider charts.  Taylor is a great run blocker but he is also a very good pass blocker.  He gave up 1 sack all year and went against the pass pass rushers in the nation.  Swear, Allen, Burns etc.

(04-28-2019, 03:52 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 07:41 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Round 1 pick : EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky  A+
Round 2 pick : OT Jawaan Taylor, Florida  A
Round 3 pick : TE Josh Oliver, San Jose State  B
Round 3 pick : LB Quincy Williams, Murray State  D
Round 5 pick : RB Ryquell Armstead, Temple  B
Round 6 pick : QB Gardner Minshew, Washington State  C-
Round 7 pick : DT Dontavius Russell, Auburn  D

I originally voted the draft a B- based on the picks of Williams, Minshew, and Russell.  Allen, Taylor, Oliver, and Armstead were all great to solid picks.

I still think the Williams pick in inexplicable at that spot.  Unless he's going to play safety instead of linebacker, he's a blue light special Telvin Smith.  I would much rather have seen another OL with that pick.  Or we could have had Will Grier.  Now there would be a backup QB.  Guards Samia, Froholdt, and Powers were all still on the board.

I've really warmed up to the Minshew.  Though I don't see him becoming starter material necessarily, he could be the actual competition to become an upgrade to Kessler.  At the very least, he'll be a less expensive version of Kessler.

Russell is just meh.  I don't know what I'm expecting with a 7th round pick.  He's as good as any, I suppose.

Caldwell pretty much admitted Quincy was a reach. They actually asked him if he was a reach, and Caldwell said no, but then the rest of the conversation suggested he was including an admission from Caldwell that he tried to trade back but couldn't. Now Oliver did have some scouts and it sounds like his name was heating up in some circles, but I'm thinking it was more just enough to move him from round 7 to round 5... not exactly round 3. With that said, he does fit very well the kind of type Wash likes at LB, and he really does look like a potential Telvin Smith 2.0 where I see him fitting right in as Telvin's backup with potential to be legit Special Teams ace. Now I'd have taken Hakeem Barkley or Will Grier, but I get the feeling Todd Wash said "I want him," and Caldwell did what it took to guarantee Wash got his guy. My fear with Quincy is that he's very compact and when he hits, he violently goes through players reminding me of Gerald Sensabaugh. While that's encouraging, it's also the kind of violent hitting that the refs have been throwing flags for. 

As for Minshew, I strongly believe he easily beats out Kessler for the backup role and that we're only going 2 QBs with Tanner maybe on the PS another year.

Russell looks like fine 7th round value to me. For such a huge and powerful guy he's rather athletic with all sorts of moves.  The only real knock I've seen is that he needs to learn to play lower for proper leverage in short-yardage situations, but that's what coaching is for. Hopefully he's not already too of a dog to learn new tricks.

(04-28-2019, 04:01 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Why is everyone whining. I like the QB pick. He might have to relief pitch a couple of games. Who knows. Oh wait, you want Kessler?

We have our Oline just right we don’t need a 4th round guard. When guys start getting hurt then we have bigger issues.

We all wanted a TE now you got 2 new ones. Oh wait you still want Koyak? Can he block heck no but I want a field stretcher.

And then there’s Allen who seriously might give you 7 sacks as a rookie!

Oh and we got a first round talent in round 2 with Taylor.

Plain and simple, the guys who aren’t elite will just have to step the heck up if we want to win a championship.

A ton of people outside of Jax are saying we are one of the teams that won the draft along with Arizona and Bucs.

Its time to get ready for camp baby!

I don't know if it's whining, but I gave them a B- as well. It's not so much that I'm harping on any particular picks, but the Jaguars really needed a #1 WR, a #1 TE and a FS.

On Oliver, maybe they got a guy who can develop should he learn to block, but in the meantime, he projects to be a pass catching specialist backup up O'Shaug. Maybe he'll even surpass O'Shaug, but I don't see him taking the #1 spot from Swaim any time soon.

With that said, we still have huge holes at WR1 (aka split-end or x) and FS that we failed to fill. To get an A from me you not only have to hit on value but primary needs as well.  It's great that our depth is filling in, but at this point, few teams still have such glaring holes. This is not yet a Playoff roster. 

(04-28-2019, 04:20 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] With that said, he does fit very well the kind of type Wash likes at LB, and he really does look like a potential Telvin Smith 2.0 where I see him fitting right in as Telvin's backup with potential to be legit Special Teams ace. Now I'd have taken Hakeem Barkley or Will Grier, but I get the feeling Todd Wash said "I want him," and Caldwell did what it took to guarantee Wash got his guy. My fear with Quincy is that he's very compact and when he hits, he violently goes through players reminding me of Gerald Sensabaugh. While that's encouraging, it's also the kind of violent hitting that the refs have been throwing flags for. 

You're probably right.  I just don't like Wash's philosophy on LBs.  I would have loved seeing us take one of the faster ILB prospects from the draft and putting him in the middle, moving Jack outside.  Smith just underwhelms me at LB and he doesn't cover well enough to play safety.  He's too light in the butt for LB.  Takes bad angles on tackles, etc.

Just getting back to normalcy and catching up on draft news.

My initial thoughts are that I'm stoked with the top three picks even if I'd have gone Risner over Taylor.
I'm just glad they took the obvious value at 7 and then addressed major needs at RT and TE. Filling those needs was my primary hope for days one and two and they did so in a fashion I can't find much fault in.

I have no idea what to make of the LB thing, the Telvin mystery status, and thoughts of scheme alterations, so I'm not going to overreact just yet on that pick.

I was really hoping for a pass catching running back instead of a Fournette-esque guy. A little disappointed there, but I haven't seen the kid play, so... I'll hold back judgement yet again.

I'm happy they rolled the dice on a QB. Not a guy I was impressed with pre-draft, but I like what I'm reading about him now.

A developmental run stuffer seems like a good use of the 7th rounder.

(04-28-2019, 08:31 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 09:36 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Being able to come away with the first two picks alone gives it a solid A.

Absolutely. 

The rest is gravy although I don't understand the arrogance of this front office in drafting players that they've spent hundreds of hours discussing, evaluating, interviewing and viewing film on over the guys that I wanted (after spending countless minutes poring over message board posts and an 8 dollar draft magazine).

Hey hey hey hey hey!  You're hitting way too close to home, pal!  

(04-28-2019, 04:08 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2019, 06:30 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Jawaan Taylor - C - Fine value on talent alone, but several red flags and the cementing of our stone age offense makes this far from the home run many say. Especially considering they traded up only to have Ford and Risner go at the original pick and two picks later.

I disagree here totally. The fact that Ford and Risner went immediately after proves that they needed to trade up to get Taylor. Ford is more of a G, and Risner is nowhere near as good of a run blocker. The pick provides not just "fine value," but exceptional value considering most mock had him either going to the Jaguars at #7 or soon after as a top-two OT in this draft. The pick also fills a critical need. I'm giving it a solid A.

Yeah that's not true. Risner was the #1 rated run blocker in the class by PFF, and Taylor is nowhere near as good of a pass blocker...where yet again Risner was ranked #1 in the class.

And to mention again, Taylor had lots of red flags whereas Risner gets rave reviews from everyone for his leadership/work ethic/toughness/mean streak etc.

And lastly, we wouldn't have had to trade up to get him. Risner would have been the better pick for literally every reason.

And as for Ford, on talent alone they're equal and I do like Ford much better at guard (Taylor would likely be better at guard better too if we're being honest) so I'm not really going to knock taking Taylor over him. I do think the red flags for Taylor would have made Ford a slightly better pick. But not taking Risner was the real oopsie.

(04-28-2019, 05:38 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2019, 04:08 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree here totally. The fact that Ford and Risner went immediately after proves that they needed to trade up to get Taylor. Ford is more of a G, and Risner is nowhere near as good of a run blocker. The pick provides not just "fine value," but exceptional value considering most mock had him either going to the Jaguars at #7 or soon after as a top-two OT in this draft. The pick also fills a critical need. I'm giving it a solid A.

Yeah that's not true. Risner was the #1 rated run blocker in the class by PFF, and Taylor is nowhere near as good of a pass blocker...where yet again Risner was ranked #1 in the class.

And to mention again, Taylor had lots of red flags whereas Risner gets rave reviews from everyone for his leadership/work ethic/toughness/mean streak etc.

And lastly, we wouldn't have had to trade up to get him. Risner would have been the better pick for literally every reason.

And as for Ford, on talent alone they're equal and I do like Ford much better at guard (Taylor would likely be better at guard better too if we're being honest) so I'm not really going to knock taking Taylor over him. I do think the red flags for Taylor would have made Ford a slightly better pick. But not taking Risner was the real oopsie.

You want to bring up pff as a source, so let's take a look at who was the better prospect


https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/dr...-nfl-draft

(04-28-2019, 05:35 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-28-2019, 08:31 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely. 

The rest is gravy although I don't understand the arrogance of this front office in drafting players that they've spent hundreds of hours discussing, evaluating, interviewing and viewing film on over the guys that I wanted (after spending countless minutes poring over message board posts and an 8 dollar draft magazine).

Hey hey hey hey hey!  You're hitting way too close to home, pal!  

It's true, though, I made up my "big board" (on a sheet on 8 x 11 lined paper) from message board posts, a draft magazine and some Boston talk radio. 
 
Seriously, though, thanks to everyone on here who contributed info on many of the players. I remain humbled by your interest in knowing so much about obscure college players. Next year I may save the 8 bucks and not even  buy the magazine.