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(05-02-2019, 09:14 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Telvin was lost without Poz in there. Jags made a mistake paying the guy.

SO lost.... on the 5th ranked defense, 2nd against the pass.

Could all this have to do with Jack. i may be wrong but isnt Jacks natural position the one telven plays and at the time we wondered what would happen to telvin. Now the FO though they could make jack a middle LB but it is obvious now that he cant be the MLB we need. Jack is a Freak of an athlete and maybe they went to Telvin said you want to move to the opposite side and lets try Jack out on the weak side, and telvin isnt to pleased with that. Just a opinion but if you had to keep jack or telvin i think the FO would choose Jack.

The whole defense was simply out-of-sorts alot of the time last year. Alot of Telvin's tackles consisted of him jumping up and looking around with his palms to the sky. Our run defense was horrible. Our best player, G.Q. jinxed us. Our O-line was decimated, our start RB suffered soft tissue injuries most of the season, our QB was Blake and our coach out coached himself on too many occasions. Oh.. and our 1st round pick was a bust~

Man I can't wait for this season to kick off! Go Jags!

(05-02-2019, 10:34 AM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Could all this have to do with Jack. i may be wrong but isnt Jacks natural position the one telven plays and at the time we wondered what would happen to telvin. Now  the FO though they could make jack a middle LB but it is obvious now that he cant be the MLB we need. Jack is a Freak of an athlete and maybe they went to Telvin said you want to move to the opposite side and lets try Jack out on the weak side, and telvin isnt to pleased with that. Just a opinion but if you had to keep jack or telvin i think the FO would choose Jack.

The MLB needs to have a very high football IQ. Essentially they are the QB of the defense, directing and tweaking position and alignment, reading defenses. I've never gotten the impression that either Jack or T. Smith have it. I think both are great LBs on the outside, though. I just don't think we have a LB on the roster than can be our defensive QB.

(05-02-2019, 10:39 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2019, 10:34 AM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Could all this have to do with Jack. i may be wrong but isnt Jacks natural position the one telven plays and at the time we wondered what would happen to telvin. Now  the FO though they could make jack a middle LB but it is obvious now that he cant be the MLB we need. Jack is a Freak of an athlete and maybe they went to Telvin said you want to move to the opposite side and lets try Jack out on the weak side, and telvin isnt to pleased with that. Just a opinion but if you had to keep jack or telvin i think the FO would choose Jack.

The MLB needs to have a very high football IQ. Essentially they are the QB of the defense, directing and tweaking position and alignment, reading defenses. I've never gotten the impression that either Jack or T. Smith have it. I think both are great LBs on the outside, though. I just don't think we have a LB on the roster than can be our defensive QB.

I think Jack will get the hang of it. We get caught up a lot and we forget that this guy was playing everywhere for UCLA. He played RB, LB and S at times. Then he blew his knee out and missed basically an entire year of football. A lot of people thought he would be a damn good fit at the WILL position coming out of school but we ended up sticking him at SAM when Paul was here during his rookie year. Then he struggled in 2017 playing inside and they moved Paul back into that role and kicked him back out to SAM. 

I like him more on the outside personally. Because we saw him make crazy plays as a rookie. I don't care if he plays Will or Sam. I just like his athletic range. If he slips up more this year they may need to reconsider that move and they may want to address the Mike position again during next year's off-season. Paddy Fisher out of Northwestern could be a good fit here next year if he declares. He was being hyped up late last year before going back to school.

I wonder how many looks we'll see with


Calias, Dareus, Byran
Williams, Smith, Jack, Allen

(05-02-2019, 10:53 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder how many looks we'll see with


      Calias, Dareus, Byran
Williams, Smith, Jack, Allen

Hopefully none, we we are running a 3-4 you have to have Allen and Yannick on the edges imo. You dont play Williams over Yannick

(05-02-2019, 10:53 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder how many looks we'll see with


      Calias, Dareus, Byran
Williams, Smith, Jack, Allen

Bring Harrison up to the LOS too and just blitz all seven of them. Just kidding... 

I don't think we'll see too many different looks. Even with Dom Capers back in the building it's still Todd Wash's defense. And over the last two years we've heard grumblings from the players about how staunch he is philosophically. I know some of us like the zone defense approach here and there. 

Most of us would rather see man-to-man more often, if not, ALL the time and they just let the front seven dictate the opponent and set the tone week to week. I am among that camp personally. I like old school football where it's just your best man lining up with my best man and let's see who wants it more. 

We'll see though.

(05-02-2019, 10:34 AM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Could all this have to do with Jack. i may be wrong but isnt Jacks natural position the one telven plays and at the time we wondered what would happen to telvin. Now  the FO though they could make jack a middle LB...

Myles Jack is going to play MLB in 2019 and he should absolutely be given that opportunity. 
If he pulls it together - he's a prototypical stud MLB and you pay him to stay and replace Telvin with Williams in 2020. 
If that doesn't work out, then they have TONS of options next year by having Jake Ryan, Quincy Williams, and others on the roster. 
Jack is a fantastic athlete that will probably show a better mental side of playing the middle this season.
By the same reasoning - it's likely Telvin Smith shows up in June and plays very well on the weak side this season. 
80% of the errors made by these two last year were mental errors. Gap discipline from Jack and mental lapses in coverage from Telvin. That stuff is very fixable.
If those things don't come together, they have options. I'm surprised at all of the hand wringing over this. 
There is no dire situation here.

Turns out Yannick isn't attending the workouts either...

(05-02-2019, 12:21 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Turns out Yannick isn't attending the workouts either...

He wants a new contract. Nothing unusual about that.

(05-02-2019, 09:40 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]All of this spurned from Telvin not showing up to OTAs and not calling coach to tell him he wasn't showing up to OTAs?

You people (and the ESPN people, and beat writers) work for the media or what? Grab something out of thin air and run with it.
Haha.

I was one of Telvin's biggest critics, often saying (rather tongue in cheek) he needs to give back some of that money after last season.
We didn't draft a rather unknown LB in the late 3rd to just slide in and take Telvin's spot this year.
We're not trading him. But he could be a cap casualty going into next season when we really gotta start doing contracts for Jalen and Yann

Which is fine. That's the biz. Let's not rush him out the door just yet. Certainly not over missing OTAs

I have been thinking the same thing.  This phase of OTA's is not as important for a veteran player if he's in good physical shape.  They are limited to strength/conditioning and rehab during this phase.  Who is to say that he's simply not working out on his own just like Jalen Ramsey?

As far as Telvin being "out of place" and/or "whiffing" on some plays... it happened with the best player on the team more than once (Jalen Ramsey).

All I'm thinking is where there's smoke, there's fire....... I think there's something going with Telvin. With Williams drafted and all of these LBs picked up in the off-season, we may be either sending him a sign or legitimately looking for a replacement. For Caldwell to even reference he doesn't know if Telvin will be with the team this year is odd and eye brow raising. If he really is upset about his contract after just one year, I wouldn't be upset if the team looked to trade him. I just don't know what we would get in return. He's still one of my favorite players on the team and want him to be a part of this turn around.

Telvin next year:
$13 million, $5.6 million dead cap hit if released

It just amazes me to see people act like either Telvin or Jack played poorly.

Amazing, yet not surprising somehow, as our (most) fans think that the next team’s linebackers don’t miss ANY TACKLES or cover every TE or RB to perfection, and stuff every run for a loss.

This despite 2 years of Top 5 Defenses.

Carry on, they suck, let’s cut them and replace them with anyone else, literally, as they are sure to be playmakers galore.

(05-02-2019, 06:56 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]It just amazes me to see people act like either Telvin or Jack played poorly.  

Amazing, yet not surprising somehow, as our (most) fans think that the next team’s linebackers don’t miss ANY TACKLES or cover every TE or RB to perfection, and stuff every run for a loss.  

This despite 2 years of Top 5 Defenses.  

Carry on, they suck, let’s cut them and replace them with anyone else, literally, as they are sure to be playmakers galore.

Telvin had a drop in performance from 2017  to 2018. He still made some amazing plays, though. 
But he added in some dumb stuff like overpursuit, biting on run fakes to miss a coverage assignment, getting out of position just trying to do too much, etc. 
Fixable -  and I still hold him in high regard. I don't think that stuff will define his play moving forward. We've seen him better than that.  

Jack just looked like a really talented young player still learning to play the mike spot. He was 80% amazing, the other 20% he had some confusion here and there, or had to focus on his own responsibilities too much to help line up those around him that may have needed a nudge. That stuff takes time.  I think he's got a good chance of turning the corner with that. I'm fully behind giving him another year in the middle to figure it out.

(05-02-2019, 09:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think he'll make it at least another year but I do fear he'll end up being a cap casualty at some point after this season is over. Same goes for Campbell and even Bouye. They absolutely have to retain Ramsey, Ngakoue and Jack. Williams and Allen being drafted pretty much puts the writing on the wall for these guys.

Bryan and Harrison last year being selected pretty much translated into Church, Gipson and Jackson being let go.

Allen and Williams pretty much translates into Campbell and Smith potentially out after this year. It's a business at the end of the day. Most of us know that. Nobody knows it better than the players though. I expect us to be in the market for a CB again during next year's draft. This is what you want to see your team doing though. You want to see talent being flipped, released and traded. You want to see elite talent being groomed and earning 2nd contracts, etc.

The Jaguars were talking to Campbell about restructuring with an extension, and that's something you only do with players who you know will be around for a few years at least. I get the thinking that Allen could just take over at DE opposite Ngakoue, but it's not that easy, and that's not Wash's scheme. More likely Allen is going to take over as the team's starting SAM with Campbell a key part of the DL. Campbell may very well be around several more years. 

(05-02-2019, 09:30 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2019, 09:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think he'll make it at least another year but I do fear he'll end up being a cap casualty at some point after this season is over. Same goes for Campbell and even Bouye. They absolutely have to retain Ramsey, Ngakoue and Jack. Williams and Allen being drafted pretty much puts the writing on the wall for these guys.

Bryan and Harrison last year being selected pretty much translated into Church, Gipson and Jackson being let go.

Allen and Williams pretty much translates into Campbell and Smith potentially out after this year. ...

... Campbell may very well be around several more years. 

Dude. 

Campbell will be playing the 2019 season at 33 years of age. 
He's not going to last forever playing his position. 

The wise thing to do is to have a plan to move on in 2020. 
If he miraculously keeps churning then you try to find a way to keep him.
 But retaining young talent HAS to take precedence over clinging to a guy who, while amazing, is going to fall off a cliff soon athletically.

(05-02-2019, 09:40 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]All of this spurned from Telvin not showing up to OTAs and not calling coach to tell him he wasn't showing up to OTAs?

You people (and the ESPN people, and beat writers) work for the media or what? Grab something out of thin air and run with it.
Haha.

I was one of Telvin's biggest critics, often saying (rather tongue in cheek) he needs to give back some of that money after last season.
We didn't draft a rather unknown LB in the late 3rd to just slide in and take Telvin's spot this year.
We're not trading him. But he could be a cap casualty going into next season when we really gotta start doing contracts for Jalen and Yann

Which is fine. That's the biz. Let's not rush him out the door just yet. Certainly not over missing OTAs

I blame the NFLPA. After Coughlin merely mentions that "Frankly, all the players should be here." The NFLPA made a big stink about it which in turn led to the media running with the stories about Ramsey and Telvin since they were the two that hadn't shown up. Then Ramsey's agent opened his mouth about the comment and that only spurned on more talk. Fortunately, Ramsey explained that he's working out on his own just like last year and that's he's been in constant contact with the team.

Meanwhile, the rumors about Telvin keep mounting. There's been speculation that Telvin wasn't showing up because of trade rumors, but that too is merely a rumor. It's gotten so bad with BCC continuing to fuel the rumor fire that reporters confronted Coughlin, Caldwell and Marrone about it. Coughlin made it clear he has no idea what they were talking about; Caldwell clearly hasn't heard from Telvin either but suggested he can't even verify Telvin will be on the final roster; and Marrone basically said, "we'll see if he shows up for the mandatory camp" and left it at that.

I presume and expect that Telvin is working out on his own just like Ramsey realizing that as long as he shows up for the minicamp he'll be fine. He's probably laughing at all the speculation. I just hope it's not a repeat of what happened with Tony Brackens. As some might recall, after Tony got paid he skipped the voluntary OTAs. We at least knew he was working out on his farm, but when he finally did show up to the mandatory minicamp he was out of shape.  

(05-02-2019, 10:34 AM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Could all this have to do with Jack. i may be wrong but isnt Jacks natural position the one telven plays and at the time we wondered what would happen to telvin. Now  the FO though they could make jack a middle LB but it is obvious now that he cant be the MLB we need. Jack is a Freak of an athlete and maybe they went to Telvin said you want to move to the opposite side and lets try Jack out on the weak side, and telvin isnt to pleased with that. Just a opinion but if you had to keep jack or telvin i think the FO would choose Jack.

Telvin is a tiny LB much like our late 3rd round pick. I'm confident they're not moving him to the strongside.