(05-02-2019, 06:56 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]It just amazes me to see people act like either Telvin or Jack played poorly.
Amazing, yet not surprising somehow, as our (most) fans think that the next team’s linebackers don’t miss ANY TACKLES or cover every TE or RB to perfection, and stuff every run for a loss.
This despite 2 years of Top 5 Defenses.
Carry on, they suck, let’s cut them and replace them with anyone else, literally, as they are sure to be playmakers galore.
Telvin was top 3 or 2 lb in missed tackles and blown coverage last year he had a bad year after the new contract.
Our D was on the field entirely way too much last year. Telvins down year I believe is a direct result of this. I dont want him traded at all. I love what he brings to the defense. I just wish hed let the team know what hes mad about. Doesnt make sense or we arent being told the whole story. I hope he plays here for a long time
(05-02-2019, 10:31 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-02-2019, 02:18 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]Telvin next year:
$13 million, $5.6 million dead cap hit if released traded
^^^ fixed that for you.
Don't just cut him. We can probably get a 2nd round pick for him.
2nd round pick?
And they'd take over that hefty salary for a 4-3 WLB?
Of the 14 or 15 teams that even use the 43will, which one is trying to give up a second round pick and take on 25 million over the next two years?
I'm thinking 5th round pick may unfortunately be more realistic. Maybe a 3rd or 4th if he lights it up in 2019. Probably a small market for Telvin though.
We probably compare favorably to the prime Seahawks D if you only took 9 of the defensive positions into consideration.
But we are a universe away from that squad at safety. Which is extremely important in the scheme. We’re not trottin Earl and Kam out there right now.
That said, I still think we should be a top 5 D if our offense can reliably sustain drives.
(04-27-2019, 08:27 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status...7661474816
Not sure how he thinks the way he played last season he deserves a better contract idk just me?
Since Telvin recently signed a new contract, I'll call BS on this opinion of him being away from voluntary workouts. He hasn't played up to (2018) what he's getting paid in my opinion. He simply had an down year and it showed. I expect him to be on the team in 2019 but if he's not, life goes on just like all other players.
NH3...
(04-27-2019, 07:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 07:34 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]TC was indignant about Telvin Smith inquiries. He flatly said Telvin Smith is on the team and did not know where the reports were coming from..
Meh. Said similar things about Bortles too. 
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Yeah he did, but I don't think the tone was the same.
Given the team's cap situation, and the unlikely possibility of a trade, I don't see the team simply cutting him.
(04-27-2019, 07:35 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Am I the only one not too concerned about Telvin?
I mean, he's shown himself to be an overly emotional person. Taunts, trash talk... became hyper-dramatic during his speech during Poz retirement. But must we assume what's really going on in his head until we actually hear from him? Silence certainly isn't good, but we just don't know what's eating him to judge whether whatever the issue is to know if it could be reconciled.
Despite that, I thought he was mature enough to be able to communicate with the team about whatever may be bothering him. Maybe not.
Regardless, this team won't suffer without him, or achieve any more with him.
I can't say I personally have a desire regarding which way this goes.
Carlyon suggested a 5th in 2020. I mean, at this point - wouldn't breaking even be a fair deal? You can't have anything back (what's been spent has been spent) and the future isn't guaranteed.
But again... I'm not sure he's much of a factor either way moving forward, whether here or gone.
Given his contract and out cap situation, we'd be lucky to get a 5th. If we are intent on getting rid of him, and I cringe at the thought, we may have to do what Houston did to get rid of Osweiler.
Hopefully it never comes to that at all.
(04-27-2019, 08:27 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status...7661474816
Not sure how he thinks the way he played last season he deserves a better contract idk just me?
If this is the case, pffft...good luck with that Telvin. You have, what, three years left on your deal on a cap tight team who still has to sign Ngakoue and Ramsey.
I'm all for players getting all they can, but under these circumstances, it isn't going to happen for him here.
(05-02-2019, 09:43 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2019, 09:30 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]... Campbell may very well be around several more years.
Dude.
Campbell will be playing the 2019 season at 33 years of age.
He's not going to last forever playing his position.
The wise thing to do is to have a plan to move on in 2020.
If he miraculously keeps churning then you try to find a way to keep him.
But retaining young talent HAS to take precedence over clinging to a guy who, while amazing, is going to fall off a cliff soon athletically.
I'd say it's better to cut a guy a year too soon than a year too late.
If he has another great year for us, I would be ecstatic. But then next year he will be 34. Maybe, maybe he's one of those rare guys like Bruce Matthews and Jackie Slater who are seemingly ageless and can play at a high level well into his late 30s, but how can you tell? I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment, but won't he have a high cap figure next year?
(05-02-2019, 09:45 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2019, 09:32 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]134 Tackles last season.
Out of position all the time, tons of 3rd and longs given up by defense.
Wasnt the D like 9th in the league in 3rd and long? 7th in big plays allowed? I really hope our Defense is that terrible this year......
Wow, the Telvin Smith "situation" has been so manufactured and blown up, IMO. Is there even a situation?
I think getting a 2nd rounder for him is too optimistic- if that happened, I would light a candle. A 5th is optimistic, too, maybe a conditional 7th would be more in line given that salary dump.
But why trade him? What's the impetus?
On Campbell, an extension would be foolish at his age. I like 02's argument but not enough to agree with it. I see a parallel here to the Patriots' handling of Logan Mankins. There was a solid player with no signs of decline and they traded him, in 2014 in the middle of a 6 year contract, to TB for a lousy TE and a 4th.
He went on to a Pro Bowl year with TB in 2015, retired in 2016. The Pats turned the 4th rounder into DE Trey Flowers which, I agree, was only coincidental that he turned into a star but it underscores the point: better to ditch them a year too early than a year too late.
(05-03-2019, 03:03 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2019, 07:40 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I'd say it's better to cut a guy a year too soon than a year too late.
If he has another great year for us, I would be ecstatic. But then next year he will be 34. Maybe, maybe he's one of those rare guys like Bruce Matthews and Jackie Slater who are seemingly ageless and can play at a high level well into his late 30s, but how can you tell? I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment, but won't he have a high cap figure next year?
Forget about his age and cap hit. The guy can play.
You're right about it being better to cut a player a year early than a year late, but age isn't the only determining factor. When a player in near the end of his rope, there are telltale signs in the form of declining skills. For instance, we cut Jimmy Smith too late, and you could tell over his final years that he was dropping way too many passes. How many times did we have to hear the announcers say "that's a rare drop by Jimmy Smith" before it wasn't so rare anymore? Another example is how long the Packers stuck with Favre even though you could see his INTs skyrocketing, although Favre was so great he still played with two more teams. The point is, you can see the declining skills. With Poz you could see his declining speed in coverage. With Calais Campbell, I don't even know that he's reached his peak. His best years have been with us, and I see no sign of decline.
J-Smooth's play didn't decline because he got older/slower. It declined because of his drug habbit at the time. The only reason that the Packers jettisoned Favre's was because Aaron pitched a fit w/respect to Favre keeping him on the bench for four years. Poz NEVER had coverage skills to begin/w and he stepped aside to make room for Miles. Poz still, (In my opinion) had a couple good years left in him. Especially in the Run stopping game. Campbell too have a couple of good years left in the tank. I do agree to allow a player to walk prior to him not being able to run at his previous performances though.
NH3...
(05-05-2019, 12:43 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2019, 10:49 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, the Telvin Smith "situation" has been so manufactured and blown up, IMO. Is there even a situation?
I think getting a 2nd rounder for him is too optimistic- if that happened, I would light a candle. A 5th is optimistic, too, maybe a conditional 7th would be more in line given that salary dump.
But why trade him? What's the impetus?
On Campbell, an extension would be foolish at his age. I like 02's argument but not enough to agree with it. I see a parallel here to the Patriots' handling of Logan Mankins. There was a solid player with no signs of decline and they traded him, in 2014 in the middle of a 6 year contract, to TB for a lousy TE and a 4th.
He went on to a Pro Bowl year with TB in 2015, retired in 2016. The Pats turned the 4th rounder into DE Trey Flowers which, I agree, was only coincidental that he turned into a star but it underscores the point: better to ditch them a year too early than a year too late.
...and now Trey Flowers plays for the Lions.
Keep in mind how badly the Cards are now wishing they re-signed Campbell. Also, I'm only talking about maybe a one-year extension as the Jaguars were suggesting when they first approached Campbell about the possible need to restructure his deal.
(05-05-2019, 12:30 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]J-Smooth's play didn't decline because he got older/slower. It declined because of his drug habbit at the time. The only reason that the Packers jettisoned Favre's was because Aaron pitched a fit w/respect to Favre keeping him on the bench for four years. Poz NEVER had coverage skills to begin/w and he stepped aside to make room for Miles. Poz still, (In my opinion) had a couple good years left in him. Especially in the Run stopping game. Campbell too have a couple of good years left in the tank. I do agree to allow a player to walk prior to him not being able to run at his previous performances though.
NH3...
The recognition of declining skills is not something I just made up. Rather, it's something that all league execs have known for decades as it occurs with most players.
To this I Concur, but the Reasonings of their declining skills as I eluded to is more of the issue as per my reply. If it's age, health, addiction, etc. most execs will recognize this vs. hanging on and move on.
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(05-02-2019, 01:50 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like Telvin laughs every time he sees a twitter post or thread like this.
Telvin knows full well that as long as he shows up to the mandatory minicamp, and keeps himself prepared physically on his own, that it's all good.
True, but one would think he would not cut off all communications with the team by not responding to there inquires. So it sure seems there is something going on that is not just staying away from attending no mandatory workouts. It seems the team can't even get a response from his agent. I really like Telvin but this is puzzling.
Telvin said yesterday on fan chat that he will be back and Duuuuvvvaal
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2019/05...with-jags/
That's what I like to hear from Telvin, hopefully he has a bounce back year. I'd like to see what Quincy William's can do at Sam. Hes a little undersized for strong side LB but the league is a little different now.
Telvin-Jack-Williams
That's what I like to hear from Telvin, hopefully he has a bounce back year. I'd like to see what Quincy William's can do at Sam. Hes a little undersized for strong side LB but the league is a little different now.
Telvin-Jack-Williams