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(06-19-2019, 01:48 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2019, 12:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think its SB or bust but the goal should always be win the SB.

The ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl.  The best way to do that is to get into the playoffs as often as possible  The worst way to do that is to mortgage the future and take wild chances.  

So that's why I say, I would rather have a team that consistently makes the playoffs, rather than a team that is super great one year and lousy the next 5 years.  

I remember the last time we took wild chances and mortgaged our future for one more try at a Super Bowl, and it was no fun going through the tearing down of our roster in order to get under the salary cap, and firing the best coach we ever had.  

Look at the Giants just a few years ago.  They went 10-6, and won 4 road games, including the Super Bowl.  

Just. Get. In.  If you do that every year, you maximize your chance of winning the Super Bowl.

The only way to win a SB is through the playoffs, so if you make to the playoffs you're on the path to your goal.  Who wouldn't want to make the playoffs every year?

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(06-19-2019, 09:21 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2019, 09:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Your goal should always be to win the SB

Not always no

If your goal isn't to win a SB you're playing for the wrong reasons other than money. And I wouldn't want a guy on my team that dont care about winning and just wants money

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(06-19-2019, 02:16 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2019, 09:21 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Not always no

I disagree.  The goal should always be to win the Super Bowl.  That's the ultimate goal.  In order to achieve that goal certain other "goals" (milestones) need to be reached.  First and foremost have a winning season.  Second win the division.  You almost always need to reach the two milestones in order to reach the ultimate goal.  It is possible but not very likely to win the Superbowl without being a Division Champion.  Only 4 teams have ever done it since the NFL expanded to 32 teams and 4 divisions per conference.

Exactly

(06-19-2019, 02:16 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2019, 09:21 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Not always no

I disagree.  The goal should always be to win the Super Bowl.  That's the ultimate goal.  In order to achieve that goal certain other "goals" (milestones) need to be reached.  First and foremost have a winning season.  Second win the division.  You almost always need to reach the two milestones in order to reach the ultimate goal.  It is possible but not very likely to win the Superbowl without being a Division Champion.  Only 4 teams have ever done it since the NFL expanded to 32 teams and 4 divisions per conference.

The ultimate goal? Of course it is. But not every season on your path there is going to be a season you go balls to the wall for a SB. 

You can make short term sacrifices along the way that may make your team less competitive now but more competitive in future years. 

All of what you said is a given

(06-19-2019, 09:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2019, 08:34 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Guys it’s a 1/32 chance of winning a SB, those are incredibly unfavorable odds.

What we should be aiming for is being a 9-7 - 12-4 team every year, that’s the true goal. Then our odds become 1/4 which are much more favorable

Your goal should always be to win the SB

Like Vic said, that's not the real goal for a franchise even though it may be for us as fans. As a franchise, if you make the playoffs enough, eventually you'll get hot and win it but ultimately the real goal is sustained success over time. The Superbowl win is the reward.

SB or bust?

y'all won 5 games last year.... calm down

(06-20-2019, 08:47 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]SB or bust?

y'all won 5 games last year.... calm down

Why do you think we only won 5 games last year?  Injuries, bad QB play, we just suck/are horrible, please elaborate on why that happened.

(06-20-2019, 08:47 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]SB or bust?

y'all won 5 games last year.... calm down

And they won 3 games in 2016 and went to the AFC championship game in 2017.

Probably too far back for you to remember.

(06-19-2019, 11:00 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2019, 10:29 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]I dunno...

as a fan I kind of am.
As you said, we gave big money to a free agent QB. We have had a top tier D the past 2 seasons. And we have current players that COULD be leaving us if we don't have the means (or want) to resign them (Ramsey, Yan, Jack, other notable big time FAs that have made an impact)

I see this as the perfect scenario for a window slamming shut, if... QB doesn't pan out, defensive stars don't stick around... etc etc.


If not now, when?

SB or Bust baby!

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The ultimate goal is the SB every single year. 
I think owners have more realistic goals that are acceptable to them for many seasons. 

When you add "or bust" it implies (to me at least) major consequences if the goal is not attained. 

I personally do not think that Khan will be firing his GM and HC if the Jags win 9 reg. season games + a wildcard game.  Do you?

Sure owners don't actually care about the SB. (And I mean that.) It's about selling tickets and while winning a Superbowl certainly helps in that area, you only need to look to our own franchise, the Browns, and numerous others who rarely if ever even sniff the playoffs, much less the Superbowl.
Still selling merch and tickets. 

And yeah, I agree adding "or bust" means major consequences. And I would say those consequences would fall on a front office that has made enough questionable moves (Bortles ext, LF pick, avoiding drafting a QB and paying big bucks for Foles, perhaps not paying Yan)
I mean... honestly, if Foles isn't the answer Tom or Dave or both should not be given any more passes, imo.


And no... if we win 9 or better, and make the playoffs that is good enough for Khan to keep it all in tact for one more season. In which we likely see one final push from this front office before likely it all falls apart. And then what are we doing? Trading Ramsey? Rebuilding? Looking for another QB, again?

The FA QB move, to me, is that last hurrah. If it works, we should be battling for a chance to play in the big game, if it doesn't it will have serious implications that no one should be safe from.

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(06-20-2019, 08:47 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]SB or bust?

y'all won 5 games last year.... calm down

How's Mary's legs holding up so far?
 Over under 9.5 games played between Mary and Ryan combined.

Logan Woodside, to the rescue.

tacks make the playoffs once in a blue moon and get excited and wanna talk smack when Jags make it once in a blue moon and get excited.
don't you have a sister to be getting handsy with?

(06-20-2019, 10:05 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2019, 11:00 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The ultimate goal is the SB every single year. 
I think owners have more realistic goals that are acceptable to them for many seasons. 

When you add "or bust" it implies (to me at least) major consequences if the goal is not attained. 

I personally do not think that Khan will be firing his GM and HC if the Jags win 9 reg. season games + a wildcard game.  Do you?

... 

And yeah, I agree adding "or bust" means major consequences. And I would say those consequences would fall on a front office that has made enough questionable moves (Bortles ext, LF pick, avoiding drafting a QB and paying big bucks for Foles, perhaps not paying Yan)
I mean... honestly, if Foles isn't the answer Tom or Dave or both should not be given any more passes, imo.


And no... if we win 9 or better, and make the playoffs that is good enough for Khan to keep it all in tact for one more season. In which we likely see one final push from this front office before likely it all falls apart. And then what are we doing? Trading Ramsey? Rebuilding? Looking for another QB, again?
...

This team making the playoffs and not advancing isn't a death sentence or signal of extended purgatory.
It could mean they are on their way to bigger things the following season but need another piece or two. 

Now - to your other point - if Foles crashes and burns we have a very different situation on our hands. But this team is not likely making the playoffs if Foles crashes and burns.  I don't envision a perfect storm of defense and run game carrying the load to the AFCCG again. 

The Foles implications on the front office and this notion of "Super Bowl or Bust" are really two different things although one affects the other.

(06-20-2019, 10:05 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-19-2019, 11:00 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The ultimate goal is the SB every single year. 
I think owners have more realistic goals that are acceptable to them for many seasons. 

When you add "or bust" it implies (to me at least) major consequences if the goal is not attained. 

I personally do not think that Khan will be firing his GM and HC if the Jags win 9 reg. season games + a wildcard game.  Do you?

Sure owners don't actually care about the SB. (And I mean that.) It's about selling tickets and while winning a Superbowl certainly helps in that area, you only need to look to our own franchise, the Browns, and numerous others who rarely if ever even sniff the playoffs, much less the Superbowl.
Still selling merch and tickets. 

And yeah, I agree adding "or bust" means major consequences. And I would say those consequences would fall on a front office that has made enough questionable moves (Bortles ext, LF pick, avoiding drafting a QB and paying big bucks for Foles, perhaps not paying Yan)
I mean... honestly, if Foles isn't the answer Tom or Dave or both should not be given any more passes, imo.


And no... if we win 9 or better, and make the playoffs that is good enough for Khan to keep it all in tact for one more season. In which we likely see one final push from this front office before likely it all falls apart. And then what are we doing? Trading Ramsey? Rebuilding? Looking for another QB, again?

The FA QB move, to me, is that last hurrah. If it works, we should be battling for a chance to play in the big game, if it doesn't it will have serious implications that no one should be safe from.

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(06-20-2019, 08:47 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]SB or bust?

y'all won 5 games last year.... calm down

How's Mary's legs holding up so far?
 Over under 9.5 games played between Mary and Ryan combined.

Logan Woodside, to the rescue.

tacks make the playoffs once in a blue moon and get excited and wanna talk smack when Jags make it once in a blue moon and get excited.
don't you have a sister to be getting handsy with?

weak troll is weak. here tell me what this website says...

https://www.tickcounter.com/countup/8631...the-titans

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(06-20-2019, 10:00 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 08:47 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]SB or bust?

y'all won 5 games last year.... calm down

And they won 3 games in 2016 and went to the AFC championship game in 2017.

Probably too far back for you to remember.

oh i remember, the titans streak of demolishing the jaguars started that year and continues to this day

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(06-20-2019, 08:59 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 08:47 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]SB or bust?

y'all won 5 games last year.... calm down

Why do you think we only won 5 games last year?  Injuries, bad QB play, we just suck/are horrible, please elaborate on why that happened.

D) all of the above

(06-20-2019, 11:08 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 08:59 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you think we only won 5 games last year?  Injuries, bad QB play, we just suck/are horrible, please elaborate on why that happened.

D) all of the above

So, why aren't the Titans worried about us getting a new QB, coming back with a healthy O-line, and returning to that 2017 form defensively?  I'm confused with your confidence.  Your QB is still garbage, Henry is the biggest threat on offense(if he has a great game), and your D is suspect.  You should really reevaluate your team and worry about making it to 5 wins, before bashing what a new Jags team with more upgrades on Offense will do.

So, it may be a little late for me to ask this question, but anyway, what does "or bust" mean?

(06-20-2019, 12:01 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, it may be a little late for me to ask this question, but anyway, what does "or bust" mean?

I'd interpret it as "or heads will roll in the F.O. and coaching staff"  but that's just me. 

And it's why I don't think this team is in a SB or bust season.  
They'd have to first be perceived as one or two pieces away from being serious SB contenders  - and then land those one or two pieces in the offseason to look at it that way. 
The Jags still have too many unproven starters (at at least 5 positions) to be able to look at a season as SB or bust. 



They may have hit on all of these players but they will all likely start and we don't really know what they'll produce:

Foles
Taylor
Swaim
Oliver
Williams
Wilson

Then you can add in the new offense under DeFilippo which may take a minute to gel also.

(06-20-2019, 11:32 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 11:08 AM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]D) all of the above

So, why aren't the Titans worried about us getting a new QB, coming back with a healthy O-line, and returning to that 2017 form defensively?  I'm confused with your confidence.  Your QB is still garbage, Henry is the biggest threat on offense(if he has a great game), and your D is suspect.  You should really reevaluate your team and worry about making it to 5 wins, before bashing what a new Jags team with more upgrades on Offense will do.

our qb is one of the most accurate in the league, henry is great, walker is great, davis is great, we added 2 new weapons at WR, and an all pro LG. and our defense is nowhere near suspect lmao. you are pipe dreaming if you think our defense is suspect.

you guys are the ones who only had 5 wins last year, not us... we havent had a losing season since mariota's rookie year.

you guys added nick foles... a suspect qb who had a good playoff run once. ya didnt add any other offensive weapons, and your team is SO dysfunctional right now its crazy. you had a player quit, got your best player talking about "im gonna make them pay me a crazy amount", and your top 5 RB pick is basically broken 1/2 the year every year. what exactly are we supposed to be afraid of again? touchdown passes to *checks notes* keelan cole?? please

oh and this:
https://www.tickcounter.com/countup/8631...the-titans

thats why we are confident

(06-20-2019, 12:20 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 11:32 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]So, why aren't the Titans worried about us getting a new QB, coming back with a healthy O-line, and returning to that 2017 form defensively?  I'm confused with your confidence.  Your QB is still garbage, ...

our qb is one of the most accurate in the league, henry is great, walker is great, davis is great...

you guys added nick foles..

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thats why we are confident

Are the thumbtacks in a "super bowl or bust" type of season?

Most here don't think the Jags are outside of the OP and a select few others apparently. 

Do you expect heads to roll from your staff and executives if the titans don't go deep in the playoffs?

(06-20-2019, 12:20 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 11:32 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]So, why aren't the Titans worried about us getting a new QB, coming back with a healthy O-line, and returning to that 2017 form defensively?  I'm confused with your confidence.  Your QB is still garbage, Henry is the biggest threat on offense(if he has a great game), and your D is suspect.  You should really reevaluate your team and worry about making it to 5 wins, before bashing what a new Jags team with more upgrades on Offense will do.

our qb is one of the most accurate in the league, henry is great, walker is great, davis is great, we added 2 new weapons at WR, and an all pro LG. and our defense is nowhere near suspect lmao. you are pipe dreaming if you think our defense is suspect.

This is [BLEEP] hilarious.  Do you have any idea what the word great means?

(06-20-2019, 12:20 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 11:32 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]So, why aren't the Titans worried about us getting a new QB, coming back with a healthy O-line, and returning to that 2017 form defensively?  I'm confused with your confidence.  Your QB is still garbage, Henry is the biggest threat on offense(if he has a great game), and your D is suspect.  You should really reevaluate your team and worry about making it to 5 wins, before bashing what a new Jags team with more upgrades on Offense will do.

our qb is one of the most accurate in the league, henry is great, walker is great, davis is great, we added 2 new weapons at WR, and an all pro LG. and our defense is nowhere near suspect lmao. you are pipe dreaming if you think our defense is suspect.

you guys are the ones who only had 5 wins last year, not us... we havent had a losing season since mariota's rookie year.

you guys added nick foles... a suspect qb who had a good playoff run once. ya didnt add any other offensive weapons, and your team is SO dysfunctional right now its crazy. you had a player quit, got your best player talking about "im gonna make them pay me a crazy amount", and your top 5 RB pick is basically broken 1/2 the year every year. what exactly are we supposed to be afraid of again? touchdown passes to *checks notes* keelan cole?? please

oh and this:
https://www.tickcounter.com/countup/8631...the-titans

thats why we are confident

I didn't even know that tick counter existed lmao.  That is funny, i'll give you that.  Problem is, Mariota is not a QB of the future, Henry is average to above average at best, and your defense IS suspect.  Listen, Im no foles believer, but i know he is an upgrade over BB5.  Whether good enough to take that cap hit, is another question but better.    Just wait till Thursday Night, thats all i'm going to say.

(06-15-2019, 08:45 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]What was the point of signing Foles, if playoffs or bust isnt the goal.  We could've rode it out with the old blake contract and missed the playoffs and got a better QB via draft and had more room to sign Yannick by now.  Stop with the excuses and get it together people.  I refuse to believe we just hurt ourselves via the cap to just compete and make excuses for if we dont make the playoffs.  Playoffs or bust, anything else is asinine.

This is my take as well.

This team has the talent to go deep into the playoffs.  Mediocre coaching/leadership should be able to get the job done.

If we don't make the playoffs this season, there should be extensive housecleaning.

(06-20-2019, 02:49 PM)KodiakJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-15-2019, 08:45 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]What was the point of signing Foles, if playoffs or bust isnt the goal.  We could've rode it out with the old blake contract and missed the playoffs and got a better QB via draft and had more room to sign Yannick by now.  Stop with the excuses and get it together people.  I refuse to believe we just hurt ourselves via the cap to just compete and make excuses for if we dont make the playoffs.  Playoffs or bust, anything else is asinine.

This is my take as well.

This team has the talent to go deep into the playoffs.  Mediocre coaching/leadership should be able to get the job done.

If we don't make the playoffs this season, there should be extensive housecleaning.

To be honest, i don't know how extensive it should be; but we need to roll some heads.  Foles needs to be night and day different for us to pass on drafting a QB, this year or next, hands down.

(06-20-2019, 12:20 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 11:32 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]So, why aren't the Titans worried about us getting a new QB, coming back with a healthy O-line, and returning to that 2017 form defensively?  I'm confused with your confidence.  Your QB is still garbage, Henry is the biggest threat on offense(if he has a great game), and your D is suspect.  You should really reevaluate your team and worry about making it to 5 wins, before bashing what a new Jags team with more upgrades on Offense will do.

our qb is one of the most accurate in the league, henry is great, walker is great, davis is great, we added 2 new weapons at WR, and an all pro LG. and our defense is nowhere near suspect lmao. you are pipe dreaming if you think our defense is suspect.

you guys are the ones who only had 5 wins last year, not us... we havent had a losing season since mariota's rookie year.

you guys added nick foles... a suspect qb who had a good playoff run once. ya didnt add any other offensive weapons, and your team is SO dysfunctional right now its crazy. you had a player quit, got your best player talking about "im gonna make them pay me a crazy amount", and your top 5 RB pick is basically broken 1/2 the year every year. what exactly are we supposed to be afraid of again? touchdown passes to *checks notes* keelan cole?? please

oh and this:
https://www.tickcounter.com/countup/8631...the-titans

thats why we are confident

Accuracy only goes so far when you can't stay healthy. Talk about broken half the year lol
Henry is only great against the Jaguars.
No doubt Ramsey is going to make us pay. He's a superstar. Sorry your team doesn't have any of those?
Telvin Smith "quit". Who cares? He's just a WLB. Dime a dozen.
Any season without the Lombardi is a losing season dude... so regardless of record, your team has done as little (or less) than our team.

Glad you guys have something to keep you going every year like a counter for "days since the jags last beat us."
Maybe you should start a counter for days since you've actually been relevant? Probably hasn't been since McNair was alive... or Vince Young was trying to kill himself.

Hell.... tacks are like the 3rd or 4th best sports to watch in Nashville, after the Preds, Sounds, and Tenn. State haha
Get out of here with your terrible trolling.

(06-20-2019, 12:26 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 12:20 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]our qb is one of the most accurate in the league, henry is great, walker is great, davis is great...

you guys added nick foles..

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thats why we are confident

Are the thumbtacks in a "super bowl or bust" type of season?

Most here don't think the Jags are outside of the OP and a select few others apparently. 

Do you expect heads to roll from your staff and executives if the titans don't go deep in the playoffs?

no, we love our staff and executives. a playoff berth is needed but no one is getting fired if it doesnt happen

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(06-20-2019, 03:36 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2019, 12:20 PM)VondyP Wrote: [ -> ]our qb is one of the most accurate in the league, henry is great, walker is great, davis is great, we added 2 new weapons at WR, and an all pro LG. and our defense is nowhere near suspect lmao. you are pipe dreaming if you think our defense is suspect.

you guys are the ones who only had 5 wins last year, not us... we havent had a losing season since mariota's rookie year.

you guys added nick foles... a suspect qb who had a good playoff run once. ya didnt add any other offensive weapons, and your team is SO dysfunctional right now its crazy. you had a player quit, got your best player talking about "im gonna make them pay me a crazy amount", and your top 5 RB pick is basically broken 1/2 the year every year. what exactly are we supposed to be afraid of again? touchdown passes to *checks notes* keelan cole?? please

oh and this:
https://www.tickcounter.com/countup/8631...the-titans

thats why we are confident

Accuracy only goes so far when you can't stay healthy. Talk about broken half the year lol

mariota has never missed more than 3 games in a year and only more than 2 once... try again