(08-09-2019, 07:52 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]My main takeaway was that the jags should have just kept Bortles to be the backup since they had to pay him anyway.
He'd be a decent backup and the cap hit this year wouldn't have happened, possibly helping with signing ngakoue to a new deal.
What? One can debate keeping him as a backup or not but had Bortles stayed on the roster he would have counted 21M against the cap, vs 16M of dead cap we have now even including the 2020 portion of the signing bonus he had on the books. (which we elected to have on the books this year rather than splitting it into 2020) Would have cost 5M more to keep him and would have actually made it harder to resign whoever.
Impressions:
- sitting 30 guys meant we were going to see bottom of the depth chart, and it sure looked like that.
- Reavis was all over the place, hopefully he keeps that up.
- Minshew has no arm. I have no faith in air raid QBs, and he gave me no reason to step back from my prejudice.
- Tanner Lee might not make it to next Thursday. I know the line he had in front of him was not great, but he looked overwhelmed.
- Either they were hiding the playbook or we aren't going to have much of a run game.
- The best news is that it will be hard to look this bad next week, nowhere to go but up!
- Bunchy held his own at C, looked like a lot of the line around him was crepe paper.
- Knowing that most of these guys won't make the final 53 or the PS is the only thing that kept me tuned in to the final gun. Can't wait to see the front half of the roster next week.
(08-09-2019, 07:28 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]I rember,and the jags were able to score points then. you can't win games if you can't score,and can't stop the other team from scoreing. Jags only team in nfl last night to not score points. I know its pre-season,but 3rd string coouldn't even score againest raans 3rd string.
Exactly Bro. Thats all I'm saying too. Preseason and all. I tried to keep myself pumped with futuristic enthusiasm and perspective, but jeesh!
One thing is abundantly clear, this team has little to no depth. Stay away, Injury Bug.
(08-09-2019, 08:35 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]One thing is abundantly clear, this team has little to no depth. Stay away, Injury Bug.
This is what concerns me.
I'm usually a front office/coaching staff homer. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Have patience. But it's been years. And this roster is still this atrocious??! Indy, SF, and others hire new GMs and 3rd year it looks like an NFL roster. Houston consistently competes/wins division championships. Even the stinkin' Tacks own us. Makes you shake your head and wonder why the Jags are cursed to mediocrity.
Overreaction? Maybe. It's only the first preseason game. But at this point, they've overdrawn my hope account. It's been a long time since the days of Brunell, Boselli, Taylor, Smith, and McCardell. A long time....
The Jags sitting 30 something starters after a 5-11 season... Who do they think they are? It's not like any of them is Tom Brady. As a coach, you would think they would at least need to get some work in because they sure are not getting it in practice. They were right, coach Marrone should be on the hot seat this season. What a joke; nice way to get the fan base fired up.
(08-09-2019, 08:16 AM)irontrooper83 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2019, 07:52 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]My main takeaway was that the jags should have just kept Bortles to be the backup since they had to pay him anyway.
He'd be a decent backup and the cap hit this year wouldn't have happened, possibly helping with signing ngakoue to a new deal.
What? One can debate keeping him as a backup or not but had Bortles stayed on the roster he would have counted 21M against the cap, vs 16M of dead cap we have now even including the 2020 portion of the signing bonus he had on the books. (which we elected to have on the books this year rather than splitting it into 2020) Would have cost 5M more to keep him and would have actually made it harder to resign whoever.
I don't feel like investigating so I'll take your word for it, thanks for clearing that up. Bortles would still be a better backup, though, due to his availability, experience, and ability to throw with a little velocity.
(08-09-2019, 08:53 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags sitting 30 something starters after a 5-11 season... Who do they think they are? It's not like any of them is Tom Brady. As a coach, you would think they would at least need to get some work in because they sure are not getting it in practice. They were right, coach Marrone should be on the hot seat this season. What a joke; nice way to get the fan base fired up.
I think that's one thing they maybe overlooked. Last year was bad for the fans and if they'd maybe given the #1's a drive, then we could have something to feel positive about.
Resting that many guys and putting out that performance, maybe if theyd told people this was the plan. It's hard for the fans to get excited about after 9 months but I understand the logic.
(08-09-2019, 08:53 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags sitting 30 something starters after a 5-11 season... Who do they think they are? It's not like any of them is Tom Brady. As a coach, you would think they would at least need to get some work in because they sure are not getting it in practice. They were right, coach Marrone should be on the hot seat this season. What a joke; nice way to get the fan base fired up.
If it takes a preseason game to get a fan base fired up...I just don't know what to say.
Like most Jags fans I was excited about watching NFL football again. Watched until halftime. Feel bad for those that paid regular season ticket prices for a glorified scrimmage. The owners won't give up preseason game revenue (only if schedule goes to 18 games). Reserving my opinion until after KC game.
(08-09-2019, 08:26 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Impressions:
- sitting 30 guys meant we were going to see bottom of the depth chart, and it sure looked like that.
- Reavis was all over the place, hopefully he keeps that up.
- Minshew has no arm. I have no faith in air raid QBs, and he gave me no reason to step back from my prejudice.
- Tanner Lee might not make it to next Thursday. I know the line he had in front of him was not great, but he looked overwhelmed.
- Either they were hiding the playbook or we aren't going to have much of a run game.
- The best news is that it will be hard to look this bad next week, nowhere to go but up!
- Bunchy held his own at C, looked like a lot of the line around him was crepe paper.
- Knowing that most of these guys won't make the final 53 or the PS is the only thing that kept me tuned in to the final gun. Can't wait to see the front half of the roster next week.
Good take. My expectations for this season did not change at all despite the horrible performance of our backups. Bottom line, if the team stays relatively healthy they have a good chance to make it to the playoffs, at least as a wildcard. As far as individual performances last night, the following caught my eye:
1. Reavis and Herndon are very solid backups in the secondary. Both looked good.
2. Taven Bryan needs to step it up. He did very little yesterday and the "B" word may soon be used to describe him as with so many other 1st rounders in Jags history. How much better would this team be if they took Dallas Goeddert with that pick? The thought of this makes me sick.
3. Minshew needs to play some with the 1st team next week. If he doesn't show anything, the team needs to decide which veteran quarterbacks may get cut after the pre-season and hope they can claim someone like Brian Hoyer. I'm not counting Minshew out, but there is a reason he lasted so long in the draft despite his great college stats.
4. Let's not get too excited about Tre McBride. How many bubble receivers in Jags history flashed in the pre-season only to disappoint once the "real" season starts? McBride is still a long-shot to make the Jags roster as the number 6 receiver ahead of Cole or Pryor. The practice squad is most likely where he'l end up as I believe he's eligible for that.
5. Will Richardson can only play guard and can't be relied upon to be the swing tackle.
6. Cam Robinson better be ready by week 1.
7. Opposing quarterbacks better be worried about facing a defensive line of Yannick, Calais, Dareus and Allen on passing downs. I'd take this foursome over just about any other in the NFL.
My main take away's were:
Offensive line play was horrible. And if the depth is this bad already it should be a significant concern when a starter or two goes down.
Minshew was hammered behind that offensive line. He had some miscues but also responded a few times in the face of pressure. I honestly like him a lot more than Tanner Lee.
The Wide Receivers didn't really stand out last night. Lots of drops. Lack of separation ability at the LOS. They're 2nd and 3rd stringers so I get that. But hopefully one or two of them can emerge as a decent depth player.
Other than that? It's week one. I expect Marrone to toughen up on them during practice next week. When you lay an egg like that you pretty much either bounce back at full force or continue to stink it up.
I expect them to bounce back.
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(08-09-2019, 11:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]My main take away's were:
Offensive line play was horrible. And if the depth is this bad already it should be a significant concern when a starter or two goes down.
Minshew was hammered behind that offensive line. He had some miscues but also responded a few times in the face of pressure. I honestly like him a lot more than Tanner Lee.
The Wide Receivers didn't really stand out last night. Lots of drops. Lack of separation ability at the LOS. They're 2nd and 3rd stringers so I get that. But hopefully one or two of them can emerge as a decent depth player.
Other than that? It's week one. I expect Marrone to toughen up on them during practice next week. When you lay an egg like that you pretty much either bounce back at full force or continue to stink it up.
I expect them to bounce back.
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I would agree with this except you had the entire line full of backups in there (plus Cann) at the same time. Unless we have a situation like last year...and I hope we don't...You shouldn't see all of the backups playing at one time.
2017 preseason proven to be none of this means much. That was possibly one of our worst preseason years ever
(08-09-2019, 11:30 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]2017 preseason proven to be none of this means much. That was possibly one of our worst preseason years ever
We were 2-2 with a solid game against the Panthers week 3. Wasn’t nearly one of the worst.
(08-09-2019, 08:53 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags sitting 30 something starters after a 5-11 season... Who do they think they are? It's not like any of them is Tom Brady. As a coach, you would think they would at least need to get some work in because they sure are not getting it in practice. They were right, coach Marrone should be on the hot seat this season. What a joke; nice way to get the fan base fired up.
The main cause of that 5-11 season was injuries to our starters. I don't know if you remember but we lost 4 starting offensive linemen and most of their backups last year. This year, they are going overboard to avoid injuries. They felt like they got the competition they needed in the practices the week before the game.
That said, it was a really bad game and I don't see how they can sell tickets to something like that.
(08-09-2019, 12:29 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2019, 11:30 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]2017 preseason proven to be none of this means much. That was possibly one of our worst preseason years ever
We were 2-2 with a solid game against the Panthers week 3. Wasn’t nearly one of the worst.
Maybe not one of the worst and in terms of stats not that bad but it wasn't pretty, the camp starting with the Bortles 5 INTs practice, the team shutout for 3 quarters vs the Bucs after joint practices with Fowler ejected lol, Bortles who kept turning it over and being inconsistent and that ended up on the bench with Marrone deciding to "open the competition" with Henné starting that Panthers game....
The first team looked exhausted and dead on legs pretty much the entire first 3 weeeks of preseason then week 1 at Houston happened and guys were flying, a completely different team and a great win.
Not worried by preseason games but surely some depth guys must wake up and improve.
I just hope no other starters go down between now and september. Good thing is tomorrow we should have positive news concerning Lee and Cam Robinson especially.
(08-09-2019, 12:29 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2019, 11:30 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]2017 preseason proven to be none of this means much. That was possibly one of our worst preseason years ever
We were 2-2 with a solid game against the Panthers week 3. Wasn’t nearly one of the worst.
The 1st team was pretty shocking, it was looking like Henne would start, offensive line looked awful.
Then we came out week 1 and stoned the Texans dline away from home.
My point is, I think preseason games should just be viewed as practices, our backups had a very bad practice last night, but doesn't mean anything week 1.
(08-09-2019, 04:53 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2019, 12:29 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]We were 2-2 with a solid game against the Panthers week 3. Wasn’t nearly one of the worst.
The 1st team was pretty shocking, it was looking like Henne would start, offensive line looked awful.
Then we came out week 1 and stoned the Texans dline away from home.
My point is, I think preseason games should just be viewed as practices, our backups had a very bad practice last night, but doesn't mean anything week 1.
Pretty good perspective. ^
I do hope we see our backups turn in some better practices, but that is a good way of viewing a preseason game with 20 starters inactive.
(08-09-2019, 11:20 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2019, 11:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]My main take away's were:
Offensive line play was horrible. And if the depth is this bad already it should be a significant concern when a starter or two goes down.
Minshew was hammered behind that offensive line. He had some miscues but also responded a few times in the face of pressure. I honestly like him a lot more than Tanner Lee.
The Wide Receivers didn't really stand out last night. Lots of drops. Lack of separation ability at the LOS. They're 2nd and 3rd stringers so I get that. But hopefully one or two of them can emerge as a decent depth player.
Other than that? It's week one. I expect Marrone to toughen up on them during practice next week. When you lay an egg like that you pretty much either bounce back at full force or continue to stink it up.
I expect them to bounce back.
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I would agree with this except you had the entire line full of backups in there (plus Cann) at the same time. Unless we have a situation like last year...and I hope we don't...You shouldn't see all of the backups playing at one time.
Not only that, when Can returns to LT and (if) Taylor takes over at RT, then the depth improves on some level of because last night's starters get demoted, creating a chain reaction weeding the lesser players off the roster.
Furthermore, the team would game plan to adjust to any weak links forced into the lineup. They didn't have that luxury last night.
Finally, inexperienced QBs played the game, and the Ravens blitzed quite a bit. I wonder if Minshew et Al were able to effectively identify the blitzed pre snap or otherwise.