Still think they should have selected Sony Michel or Nick Chubb last year instead of Bryan though. That was my biggest concern going into the off season after a tremendous let down on Fournette's end. Between the injuries and punches being thrown on the field in Buffalo? Not a good look.
Hopefully they've learned their lesson. If another quality UGA back is available on the board and it's within reasonable value for that pick? DO..NOT...PASS..HIM...UP. D'Andre Swift will be the next big name, multipurpose back in the NFL. He might be a late RD1 pick or higher. Depends on what teams need going into next year. But whoever is in charge of making picks next year better not [BLEEP] that one up.
Legit question, wayyyyyy too early to even be asking this even, but for the sake of the thread I'll ask anyway:
Jags are on the board this next draft, Jonathan Taylor declares for the NFL and he's on the board as well. Best Available Player on the board. Even with Fournette and Armstead on this team now, do you take him?
Given what I've seen of the guy, he's like the absolute antithesis of Fournette. I think I'd take him unless there's a better option at the time. But I agree, taking a RB in the first round - especially in the top 5 - is a HUGE risk. I wasn't thrilled when they went ahead and drafted Fournette. I just hoped it would work out. So far i'd say that was a terrible decision.
I'd never draft a back in the first round, ever.
3rd-5th rounds yield great backs all the time. Stock up on those guys till you have a full stable.
Tony Pollard is a good recent example and several of us were touting him pre-draft as an option.
(09-28-2019, 08:33 AM)Nikowho Wrote: [ -> ]Legit question, wayyyyyy too early to even be asking this even, but for the sake of the thread I'll ask anyway:
Jags are on the board this next draft, Jonathan Taylor declares for the NFL and he's on the board as well. Best Available Player on the board. Even with Fournette and Armstead on this team now, do you take him?
Given what I've seen of the guy, he's like the absolute antithesis of Fournette. I think I'd take him unless there's a better option at the time. But I agree, taking a RB in the first round - especially in the top 5 - is a HUGE risk. I wasn't thrilled when they went ahead and drafted Fournette. I just hoped it would work out. So far i'd say that was a terrible decision.
Not a fan. Seems very, very one dimensional as he has no impact in the receiving game. He reminds me of Ron Dayne a bit. And I think he could end up like Ron Dayne in the NFL. Or maybe like Montee Ball. Wisconsin RB's in general are flaky in the NFL.
Even Melvin Gordon who had arguably the single greatest rushing season in Wisconsin's history hasn't really found that consistency on the ground for the Chargers. He's a good multipurpose back though. Him and James White both are pretty versatile. But just not a fan of this team taking yet another RB that high. Especially a Badger.
(09-28-2019, 08:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd never draft a back in the first round, ever.
3rd-5th rounds yield great backs all the time. Stock up on those guys till you have a full stable.
Tony Pollard is a good recent example and several of us were touting him pre-draft as an option.
For me it's all situational. I wouldn't be in favor of taking a RB in the top ten - twenty. But if this team was set at QB, WR, TE and there were no holes along the line or glaring needs on defense and you clearly and I do mean CLEARLY lack an impact player at the RB position? It wouldn't hurt dropping a late 1st RD pick on that position.
It worked out for the Panthers with DeAngelo Williams. It worked out for New Orleans with Mark Ingram. And it's looking to be working out so far with the Patriots with Sony Michel. But it was obvious we're not as good as those teams were at that time. Seems like this damn team always needs something somewhere else.
I wouldn’t say I’d never take a RB in the first but they’d certainly need to be in the mold of a McCaffrey, Kamara, or Barkley. RBs that can do both well.
(09-27-2019, 10:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2019, 10:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I hope Flip figures out how to manufacture some better blocking Sunday
If Norwell wasn't being paid so much, I'd say give Richardson some work at LG.
Norwell needs to play so much better, hes been god awful. I don't know if he's playing really injured or something, but hes been far and away our worst guy on the OL this season. That $16m cap hit for him this season is not looking good.
At this point I don't care how much they're paying Norwell. Put Richardson in and see if he does any better. If he does then he gets the job. I don't see how it's any different than the Giants benching Eli Manning for their back-up QB. Manning clearly makes more but he's not getting the job done so ride the pine he is. I realize there is a difference between a QB and a OLineman, but if these guys are allowed to play simply because we paid them a boatload of money but they're not
earning it, that's just dumb and it allows them to become lazy.
I do seem to remember hearing earlier in the season, or maybe preseason, the Norwell was playing with an injury. If so, sit him out to let him heal and put Richardson in.
(09-28-2019, 02:23 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]I saw a guy who needed a big run way to be effective because he severely lacked lateral quickness. Saw a guy who should be taken 2nd round. Knew TC would pick him, a clear TC move.
What we saw in year one was at least the use of a spin move until his ankle gave. It was moderately effective, but he literally used it every single run. He also was much more physical year 1, always begging for more contact. Now in year 3 I don’t ever see that spin move nor is he nearly as physical. Hasn’t created any moves. To sum it up, he’s regressed from year 1.
The RB evaluations from this FO has been garbage from day 1 with Chris Ivory to now Armstead I guess. I know it’s only 3 games, but I think we all are scratching our heads as to how he isn’t getting a single snap.
What I found alarming was Fournette said nobody practiced at all during preseason. We were atleast led to believe they were practicing hard together and not playing in games. They had zero work leading up to these games, that’s insane.
I had read somewhere during training camp that they were not working nearly as hard as the season before and made a comment that they were going to pay for it when the season started because they wouldn't be ready. I was told by several here that I was wrong and they would have preseason to work it out. Well, they didn't do anything then either. And we wonder why there is miscommunication, missed routes, missed catches, missed tackles, etc.
Only some of it can be excused away due to having to adjust to a QB no one thought would play a game all season much less become the starter, the rest is lack of training, conditioning and practice in training camp and lack of game time in preseason.
People who are asking this question must have only watched his bad games.
He's big, he's fast, he was ultra productive, he had hands,.....
He had the 2 fastest runs in the NFL period in 2017, correct?
Let's not be disingenuous here.....he was a GREAT prospect. You can say injuries, you can say no backs in R1, you can say you liked someone else better. That is understandable. To act like 27 wasn't a top flight prospect whon't going high is eye-roll material.
Like they showed Thursday night, n back has faced stack boxes more than him.
Maybe if we run blocked at all, this wouldn't be a thread
(09-28-2019, 11:59 AM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]People who are asking this question must have only watched his bad games.
He's big, he's fast, he was ultra productive, he had hands,.....
He had the 2 fastest runs in the NFL period in 2017, correct?
Let's not be disingenuous here.....he was a GREAT prospect. You can say injuries, you can say no backs in R1, you can say you liked someone else better. That is understandable. To act like 27 wasn't a top flight prospect whon't going high is eye-roll material.
Like they showed Thursday night, n back has faced stack boxes more than him.
Maybe if we run blocked at all, this wouldn't be a thread
The problem is that he's only fast once he gets a head of steam. He is extremely unexplosive. There is a reason that he stopped after his impressive 40 yard dash and then his abysmal vertical leap at the combine. He was going to expose himself hardcore in explosion, short area quickness, and agility...and he knew it.
Remember all the predraft stuff about needing a runway and that insane stat about how LSU ran from under center like 83% of the time and on sweeps/tosses like 4x more than any other player in college? They knew you do not want Fournette to get the ball from a standstill. Give him those extra yards before getting the ball.
Oh yeah and the quote I constantly copy/pasted from Waldman's RSP about needing a fullback not because he needed the extra blocking help, but because he needed someone to follow to show him where the hole was.
He was always a square peg/round hole fit with the modern NFL. He might be a monster if you could transport him to the 80s. But alas.
(09-28-2019, 11:59 AM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]People who are asking this question must have only watched his bad games.
He's big, he's fast, he was ultra productive, he had hands,.....
He had the 2 fastest runs in the NFL period in 2017, correct?
Let's not be disingenuous here.....he was a GREAT prospect. You can say injuries, you can say no backs in R1, you can say you liked someone else better. That is understandable. To act like 27 wasn't a top flight prospect whon't going high is eye-roll material.
Like they showed Thursday night, n back has faced stack boxes more than him.
Maybe if we run blocked at all, this wouldn't be a thread
He has no vision whatsoever, no lateral movement, he is only big and fast. Dude is the Vernon Gholston of RBs
(09-28-2019, 12:21 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2019, 11:59 AM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]People who are asking this question must have only watched his bad games.
He's big, he's fast, he was ultra productive, he had hands,.....
He had the 2 fastest runs in the NFL period in 2017, correct?
Let's not be disingenuous here.....he was a GREAT prospect. You can say injuries, you can say no backs in R1, you can say you liked someone else better. That is understandable. To act like 27 wasn't a top flight prospect whon't going high is eye-roll material.
Like they showed Thursday night, n back has faced stack boxes more than him.
Maybe if we run blocked at all, this wouldn't be a thread
He has no vision whatsoever, no lateral movement, he is only big and fast. Dude is the Vernon Gholston of RBs
And just saying he's fast is misleading. It's better to say he has a fast top speed, and slow acceleration. He is good at running once he's in the open and already up to speed but bad when he's faced with just about any other situation. As an example, I think most running backs could have gotten tackled short of the goal line like Fournette did against Tennessee on his long run last week, so what did he bring in that game?
I said the same thing, but the front office is STUPID and RACIST for not picking McCaffrey
(09-28-2019, 11:50 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2019, 02:23 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]I saw a guy who needed a big run way to be effective because he severely lacked lateral quickness. Saw a guy who should be taken 2nd round. Knew TC would pick him, a clear TC move.
What we saw in year one was at least the use of a spin move until his ankle gave. It was moderately effective, but he literally used it every single run. He also was much more physical year 1, always begging for more contact. Now in year 3 I don’t ever see that spin move nor is he nearly as physical. Hasn’t created any moves. To sum it up, he’s regressed from year 1.
The RB evaluations from this FO has been garbage from day 1 with Chris Ivory to now Armstead I guess. I know it’s only 3 games, but I think we all are scratching our heads as to how he isn’t getting a single snap.
What I found alarming was Fournette said nobody practiced at all during preseason. We were atleast led to believe they were practicing hard together and not playing in games. They had zero work leading up to these games, that’s insane.
I had read somewhere during training camp that they were not working nearly as hard as the season before and made a comment that they were going to pay for it when the season started because they wouldn't be ready. I was told by several here that I was wrong and they would have preseason to work it out. Well, they didn't do anything then either. And we wonder why there is miscommunication, missed routes, missed catches, missed tackles, etc.
Only some of it can be excused away due to having to adjust to a QB no one thought would play a game all season much less become the starter, the rest is lack of training, conditioning and practice in training camp and lack of game time in preseason.
I was in the same boat. Really bothered me seeing literally one or two series from the starters. They went too easy and soft on them. The only positive out of everything was the fact that Minshew had well over 100 offensive snaps and he was taking a ton of licks early. I think that really got him going and prepared him mentally and physically as the back-up and even though Foles went down early it may have been a unfortunate yet fortunate blessing in disguise.
Only time will tell. But I agree. The lack of rounds the starters took as a whole during preseason was disturbing.
(09-28-2019, 06:38 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2019, 06:03 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ]Next Draft Priorities: RG, CB, RB
In no particular order, these guys would be ideal for your priorities:
RG - Ben Cleveland- Georgia / Alex Leatherwood - Alabama
CB - Trevon Diggs - Alabama / Jaylon Johnson - Utah
RB - D'Andre Swift - Georgia / Cam Akers - Florida State
Can't go wrong with any of those six guys right now. One other RB I like right now but haven't seen enough of just yet this year is Chuba Hubbard out of Oklahoma State. Looks like they're just focusing in on him as a runner this year but he made some splash plays in the receiving game last year.
Lol Cam Akers lol
(09-27-2019, 10:21 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't want to draft him before the draft and I wish they didn't draft him even more now.
I remember a lot of us not wanting him and yeah now it is worse then I imagined..
(09-28-2019, 01:10 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2019, 06:38 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]In no particular order, these guys would be ideal for your priorities:
RG - Ben Cleveland- Georgia / Alex Leatherwood - Alabama
CB - Trevon Diggs - Alabama / Jaylon Johnson - Utah
RB - D'Andre Swift - Georgia / Cam Akers - Florida State
Can't go wrong with any of those six guys right now. One other RB I like right now but haven't seen enough of just yet this year is Chuba Hubbard out of Oklahoma State. Looks like they're just focusing in on him as a runner this year but he made some splash plays in the receiving game last year.
Lol Cam Akers lol
Not even a Seminole fan man. I roll with the Bulldogs. LOL. Akers isn't THAT bad though. I think his stock will go up more this year. FSU has a terrible offensive line and he's really made some decent plays in spite of that at times. He looked good last week against Louisville. He certainly did his part in that one.
Quick question though. Cole Minshew? Is he related to our Minshew??
(09-28-2019, 01:16 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ] (09-27-2019, 10:21 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't want to draft him before the draft and I wish they didn't draft him even more now.
I remember a lot of us not wanting him and yeah now it is worse then I imagined..
I honestly wanted defense all the way there. Between Lattimore, Allen & Barnett I was convinced we couldn't go wrong with any one of those guys. I especially liked Barnett when he was leaving the Vols. He wasn't the strongest or fastest guy out there but if you watched his career he slowly and noticeably got better each and every single year he played.
He hasn't been a monster for the Eagles. But the potential is there. Injuries slowed him up last year.
LF was clearly a Coughlin pick as he wanted Enos over Fred. That old man should never be the one to select a RB.
(09-28-2019, 08:50 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (09-28-2019, 08:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd never draft a back in the first round, ever.
3rd-5th rounds yield great backs all the time. Stock up on those guys till you have a full stable.
Tony Pollard is a good recent example and several of us were touting him pre-draft as an option.
For me it's all situational. I wouldn't be in favor of taking a RB in the top ten - twenty. But if this team was set at QB, WR, TE and there were no holes along the line or glaring needs on defense and you clearly and I do mean CLEARLY lack an impact player at the RB position? It wouldn't hurt dropping a late 1st RD pick on that position.
It worked out for the Panthers with DeAngelo Williams. It worked out for New Orleans with Mark Ingram. And it's looking to be working out so far with the Patriots with Sony Michel. But it was obvious we're not as good as those teams were at that time. Seems like this damn team always needs something somewhere else.
Would not touch either Michel nor Ingram with a late 1st myself. Maybe in the 3rd.
I think we take a RB in rounds 2-4 in next years draft