(10-30-2019, 11:51 AM)JAllen#41 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2019, 05:58 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew is what Baker Mayfield was supposed to be.
Btw, Minshew is playing like a first overall pick. He’s probably gonna win Rookie of The Year. And We might have a defensive rookie of the year to boot.
That's what keeps me skeptical going forward. Baker was great until an entire offseason of tape was studied and people know what to do with him now. The thing for Minshew that you have to ask is can he transcend his tape? It'll will get dissected hard this offseason. Guys that can, those are franchise QBs. Guys that can't, those are flash in the pan guys. So I think the jury still has a lot to weigh before saying this is the future. In the mean time I'll just enjoy what he's doing for us now.
I think there's some validity to this for sure.
I also think Monken and Kitchens have inadvertently hindered that offense by getting away from things they did well in 2018. The way they choose to use their weapons is sometimes baffling.
Any "doubts" about Minshew's ability to be a franchise QB are all based on his draft position.
"Well, he's a 6th Round Pick, so he can't really be that good."
He's far outplayed any QB drafted in the first round the last two years and has shown more ability to read defenses, improvise, and throw with accuracy than Mayfield has. And let's add poise, leadership and charisma to that too. Go with what you see on the field, not the principle of draft position and pedigree.
(10-30-2019, 11:58 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 11:51 AM)JAllen#41 Wrote: [ -> ]That's what keeps me skeptical going forward. Baker was great until an entire offseason of tape was studied and people know what to do with him now. The thing for Minshew that you have to ask is can he transcend his tape? It'll will get dissected hard this offseason. Guys that can, those are franchise QBs. Guys that can't, those are flash in the pan guys. So I think the jury still has a lot to weigh before saying this is the future. In the mean time I'll just enjoy what he's doing for us now.
I think there's some validity to this for sure.
I also think Monken and Kitchens have inadvertently hindered that offense by getting away from things they did well in 2018. The way they choose to use their weapons is sometimes baffling.
The knock I'm hearing on Mayfield (by some 'experts') though is that he is a 'one read quarterback'.
Minshew absolutely goes through his reads...to a fault at times.
I've seen Minshew make throws that very few QBs can make and he makes a lot of them.
Opposing defenses can't just take away Minshew's quick release, ability to go through all the reads, and insane ball placement.
(10-30-2019, 12:56 PM)IndyJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Any "doubts" about Minshew's ability to be a franchise QB are all based on his draft position.
"Well, he's a 6th Round Pick, so he can't really be that good."
He's far outplayed any QB drafted in the first round the last two years and has shown more ability to read defenses, improvise, and throw with accuracy than Mayfield has. And let's add poise, leadership and charisma to that too. Go with what you see on the field, not the principle of draft position and pedigree.
Not my take at all.
My doubts are based in whether or not he can clean up a few distinct aspects of his game.
Draft position be damned. Doesn't matter.
When he's contained to the tackle box, I need to see his ability to make 2, maybe 3 quick reads and get the ball out in under 3 seconds. He's struggled with this at times and he'll need to be able to overcome that.
When he's feeling pressure repeatedly he sometimes gets to jittery with his feet and looks to leave the pocket early.
He also will occasionally force a ball into coverage with lackluster velocity due to throwing off balance.
How much of that stuff is just a rookie being a rookie? Or will some of it become a stumbling block for him as opponents learn his tendencies?
Can't really know for sure right now.
For the record - I feel strongly that he is very likely our QB of the future in Jax whether Foles gets back behind center this year or not. And I really like the kid.
(10-29-2019, 01:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2019, 01:27 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]If a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it, did it really fall?
It's "did it make a sound?"
Simmer down, Socrates.
Is this jaguarwoman's new account?
(10-30-2019, 04:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 02:28 PM)H8tank Wrote: [ -> ]Is this jaguarwoman's new account?
jaguarwoman > rocdee
Oh man.
I don't know about that. JDub was on a different level than every single poster on this board.
JW was/is a legend. Asperger's aside, she's a good person. She's still around under a different name. Got tired of the allusions to her autism.
(10-30-2019, 04:46 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]JW was/is a legend. Asperger's aside, she's a good person. She's still around under a different name. Got tired of the allusions to her autism.
Your best post. Very magnanimous of you.
(10-30-2019, 05:03 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 04:46 PM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]JW was/is a legend. Asperger's aside, she's a good person. She's still around under a different name. Got tired of the allusions to her autism.
Your best post. Very magnanimous of you.
Thanks. I do what I can. I'm a pretty good guy, if I do say so myself.
WOW....JUST WOW!! This is amazing!
(10-31-2019, 09:46 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 05:39 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: EIJ-XzZXkAAqWpd.jpg]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIJ-XzZXkAAqWpd.jpg)
Fantastic.
(10-30-2019, 05:39 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]
Probably teams like to blitz rookie QBs.
(10-31-2019, 10:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 05:39 PM)Steve Wrote: [ -> ]
Probably teams like to blitz rookie QBs.
And most struggle. Is Tom Brady a rookie? Hes 2nd
(10-31-2019, 10:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2019, 10:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Probably teams like to blitz rookie QBs.
And most struggle. Is Tom Brady a rookie? Hes 2nd
I could be wrong, but I think that was the point. Good stuff there.
I just don't see how you can bench him.
Outside of salary, there's really no reason to put in Foles. If the boat is uh rockin, don't bench Minshew.
(10-31-2019, 11:09 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't see how you can bench him.
Outside of salary, there's really no reason to put in Foles. If the boat is uh rockin, don't bench Minshew.
And the boat will always rock with Minshew on board....
(10-31-2019, 11:09 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't see how you can bench him.
Outside of salary, there's really no reason to put in Foles. If the boat is uh rockin, don't bench Minshew.
Look at the salary issue this way: Our total QB $$ outlay is the same whether Minshew, Foles, or Dobbs plays.