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(11-19-2019, 01:48 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 01:38 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]DBs that weigh over 50 lbs less than him tackle him with ease. He doesn't run over anyone. He gets hit and falls.

 

Found one that wasn't the Pittsburgh one

Damn. Who's that guy?

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(11-19-2019, 12:15 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]When Marrone dies, his tombstone is simply going to state "It's on me."

I imagine it's his default response now. Even with Mrs Marrone 

'Doug, the dogs crapped in the kitchen again'

'Its on me, I've got to a better job. I've gotta prepare the dogs better, well keep working hard'

(11-19-2019, 12:54 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Just fire this guy and put Tom Coughlin out there.

NO

(11-19-2019, 02:26 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 02:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Biggest take away from that play in that gif above is the fact that they had a lead blocker in front of him and a TE to seal the edge to eliminate any backside pursuit. 

As much [BLEEP] as I talked about this system being "archaic". I have come to terms with the fact that Fournette is simply not fast enough and shifty enough to rely on in spread formations and single back formations. BUT. . . I don't mind if the running game is archaic in nature provided that they don't try make it a 3 yards and a cloud of dust game with three straight runs in a row. 

Still condone opening up the running game first by starting off with the passing game and some screen plays to get the LB's to essentially [BLEEP] off away from the L.O.S.

"Archaic but Works" is fine with me. "Latest and Greatest but doesn't work" is not. The scheme doesn't matter to me a bit if it works. Hell, run the damn Wing T out there if we can get 300 yards and 28 points out of it. Just do something that works and quit doing what doesn't.

It's all about balance. I just hate the predictability with this offense at times. There's a [BLEEP] ton of blame to go around for the inconsistencies this year across the board but it all circles back to coaching. I questioned it during the preseason. And my questioning is still there after seeing it carry over into the regular season. The overall lack of starting time this starting offense had as a unit during the preseason bothered me. Bothered a lot of people. 

I can't remember who said it in another thread. Maybe it was you? But it feels like Marrone and Wash coach "not to lose" at times. And that also seems to ring true with their approach regarding the personnel. These guys barely [BLEEP] practice today in the NFL. I know we're concerned about injuries here and there but IMHO it would be better to get the chemistry developed and shake the rust off with live rounds.

Come whatever may from that but you can't keep babying these guys and taking it easy in today's NFL. 

Players are typically in and out of teams these days. There's clearly no loyalty anymore between the teams and players. Unless you're a bad [BLEEP] QB that you can mold and shape anybody around. But for the most part? The rest of these guys are expendable. You could make a case here and there at maybe RB, DE and LT. But even those players have to play exceptionally well to be retained. The tinhorns didn't blink shipping off Clowney this year. The Giants didn't blink shipping off Beckham Jr. List goes on and on.

(11-19-2019, 02:10 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 01:48 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] 

Found one that wasn't the Pittsburgh one

So you proved my point? He got hit, he fell.

Running over means the guy hits the turf and the RB keeps going.

Nah he gets hit, runs over the guy and gains extra yards (doesn't fall really, guy has his ankles). But OK Nancy, whatever you say.

(11-19-2019, 03:26 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 02:10 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]So you proved my point? He got hit, he fell.

Running over means the guy hits the turf and the RB keeps going.

Nah he gets hit, runs over the guy and gains extra yards (doesn't fall really, guy has his ankles). But OK Nancy, whatever you say.

We want to see more stuff like this (I really just wanted an excuse to link my favorite highlight reel ever):

https://twitter.com/nflthrowback/status/...2916164608

(11-19-2019, 03:26 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 02:10 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]So you proved my point? He got hit, he fell.

Running over means the guy hits the turf and the RB keeps going.

Nah he gets hit, runs over the guy and gains extra yards (doesn't fall really, guy has his ankles). But OK Nancy, whatever you say.

So you look at that and think, if only he hadn't grabbed his ankles, he would have regained his balance and kept going?

You can say that with a straight face? Seriously?

If you can find one clip of him legitimately running over someone I can find 10 of him getting up-ended by a DB 30-50lbs lighter than him for every 1 you find.

He's garbage.

(11-19-2019, 03:00 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 02:26 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]"Archaic but Works" is fine with me. "Latest and Greatest but doesn't work" is not. The scheme doesn't matter to me a bit if it works. Hell, run the damn Wing T out there if we can get 300 yards and 28 points out of it. Just do something that works and quit doing what doesn't.

It's all about balance. I just hate the predictability with this offense at times. There's a [BLEEP] ton of blame to go around for the inconsistencies this year across the board but it all circles back to coaching. I questioned it during the preseason. And my questioning is still there after seeing it carry over into the regular season. The overall lack of starting time this starting offense had as a unit during the preseason bothered me. Bothered a lot of people. 

I can't remember who said it in another thread. Maybe it was you? But it feels like Marrone and Wash coach "not to lose" at times. And that also seems to ring true with their approach regarding the personnel. These guys barely [BLEEP] practice today in the NFL. I know we're concerned about injuries here and there but IMHO it would be better to get the chemistry developed and shake the rust off with live rounds.

Come whatever may from that but you can't keep babying these guys and taking it easy in today's NFL. 

Players are typically in and out of teams these days. There's clearly no loyalty anymore between the teams and players. Unless you're a bad [BLEEP] QB that you can mold and shape anybody around. But for the most part? The rest of these guys are expendable. You could make a case here and there at maybe RB, DE and LT. But even those players have to play exceptionally well to be retained. The tinhorns didn't blink shipping off Clowney this year. The Giants didn't blink shipping off Beckham Jr. List goes on and on.

You got it...

How Jerry Rice trained:

In team workouts he was famous for his hustle; while many receivers would trot back to the quarterback after catching a pass, Rice would sprint to the end zone after each reception. He would typically continue practicing long after the rest of the team had gone home. Most remarkable were his six-days-a-week off-season workouts, which he conducted entirely on his own. Mornings were devoted to cardiovascular work, running a hilly five-mile trail; he would reportedly run ten forty-meter wind sprints up the steepest part. In the afternoons he did equally strenuous weight training. These workouts became legendary as the most demanding in the league, and other players would sometimes join Rice just to see what it was like. Some of them got sick before the day was over.

(11-19-2019, 03:40 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 03:26 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Nah he gets hit, runs over the guy and gains extra yards (doesn't fall really, guy has his ankles). But OK Nancy, whatever you say.

We want to see more stuff like this (I really just wanted an excuse to link my favorite highlight reel ever):

https://twitter.com/nflthrowback/status/...2916164608

Yeah. He was scary to watch though. Just as bad as Tiki Barber with ball security. He'd truck three or four defenders on one play and then get carried away on the next play and showcase his butterfingers.

(11-19-2019, 02:26 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

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(11-19-2019, 12:15 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]When Marrone dies, his tombstone is simply going to state "It's on me."

I imagine it's his default response now. Even with Mrs Marrone 

'Doug, the dogs crapped in the kitchen again'

'Its on me, I've got to a better job. I've gotta prepare the dogs better, well keep working hard'

Yep, pretty much.   

Wife cheats on him --  "Sorry honey, that one's on me.  I should have been more attentive"

What bothers me so much about Fournette is he's having the same problems he had in College... no vision, lack of balance, no lateral quickness... so our scouts either decided those weren't important for a running back... or they just looked at stats and not his actual tape.

Doug clearly possesses photos of Shad and Tony with a goat in nature.

There is truly no other explanation why this guy remains employed as a HC

Have you ever noticed when a tackler comes at him he puts his head down and runs with his feet close to the ground. He is easy to trip up running this way.

2019 Jaguars were never intended to be a "power running" team.  If you look at the roster makeup from the very start, it is built to pass the ball and rush the passer.  They were built to play with a lead.  They were always going to be a pass heavy team under Nick Foles.  Look at the KC game with Foles:  3 runs (28%), 8 pass (72%).  Yea, slightly different circumstance, but really they're just picking up where they left off.

In this case, the coaching staff probably knew they couldn't stop the Colts running game.  They tried to get ahead, thought they had good matchups in the passing game, but it didn't work out for whatever reason.  I think it was more a surprise to them that the passing game didn't pan out than how many carries Fournette got.

(11-19-2019, 01:37 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 01:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He looked really flat in his few carries and made some head scratching decisions about where to run with the football. 

I can see why they shied away from calling his number initially and of course they had to pass later on because of the scoreboard. 

I'd  have been good with 6 or 7 more touches for Armstead, personally.

Our first drive, Fournette got 10, then a pass play with a penalty led to first and 20, where fournette got 4 yards, then a couple pass plays go nowhere and we're punting.
Then with really good field position after a forced punt, we run Armstead for a few then Fournette, then 3 pass plays and we're in the EZ (so far the balance is there)
then on the next drive Fournette definitely struggles on 2nd and medium, iirc this is a play he tries to be a running back he is not, instead of getting north and south and getting something he goes toward the sideline and gets barely a yard.
But on 3rd and 4 here... we should be forcing the run again imo, instead we get a short pass to Westbrook that comes up a yard short and we punt.
The next drive 3 pass plays and a punt (granted the first was a clear PI, not called, challenged and upheld)
The next drive? Start with a pass (seemingly already bailing on the run) and it's a Foles INT
Defense forces a turnover on downs and we get the ball with very little time on the clock, so I can see why we pass pass pass here...
The next drive Fournette gets 3 totes for negative yards and we pass 6 times and turnover the ball on downs.
We pretty much never run it again.

The game plan was pass heavy from go and Fournette shares blame in the run game struggles with the OL but you absolutely can not abandon it the way we did. Armstead should get more touches (and less plays where he is in for pass protection, imo)
For his career he's always been a volume runner. And with Foles coming back from injury we should have leaned heavier on the run early. We have extra OL guys coming out in heavy formations and then throw from them.

I'm not saying when we're down 24 to 7 we should be feeding LF a lot. But it only takes one play for him to burst through and level secondary guys or blow by them.
But 6 touches or whatever ain't gonna get it done.

One of my big irritations watching football is when, third down and less than 10, they send some receivers out past the first down marker, throw to a guy who is not past the first down marker. Guess what? they left him open for a reason, he will not get to the first down marker. It never works. 
Should go down in the stat books as an incompletion for the quarterback, and a dropped target for the wide receiver, in my opinion.

(11-20-2019, 10:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2019, 01:37 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Our first drive, Fournette got 10, then a pass play with a penalty led to first and 20, where fournette got 4 yards, then a couple pass plays go nowhere and we're punting.
Then with really good field position after a forced punt, we run Armstead for a few then Fournette, then 3 pass plays and we're in the EZ (so far the balance is there)
then on the next drive Fournette definitely struggles on 2nd and medium, iirc this is a play he tries to be a running back he is not, instead of getting north and south and getting something he goes toward the sideline and gets barely a yard.
But on 3rd and 4 here... we should be forcing the run again imo, instead we get a short pass to Westbrook that comes up a yard short and we punt.
The next drive 3 pass plays and a punt (granted the first was a clear PI, not called, challenged and upheld)
The next drive? Start with a pass (seemingly already bailing on the run) and it's a Foles INT
Defense forces a turnover on downs and we get the ball with very little time on the clock, so I can see why we pass pass pass here...
The next drive Fournette gets 3 totes for negative yards and we pass 6 times and turnover the ball on downs.
We pretty much never run it again.

The game plan was pass heavy from go and Fournette shares blame in the run game struggles with the OL but you absolutely can not abandon it the way we did. Armstead should get more touches (and less plays where he is in for pass protection, imo)
For his career he's always been a volume runner. And with Foles coming back from injury we should have leaned heavier on the run early. We have extra OL guys coming out in heavy formations and then throw from them.

I'm not saying when we're down 24 to 7 we should be feeding LF a lot. But it only takes one play for him to burst through and level secondary guys or blow by them.
But 6 touches or whatever ain't gonna get it done.

One of my big irritations watching football is when, third down and less than 10, they send some receivers out past the first down marker, throw to a guy who is not past the first down marker. Guess what? they left him open for a reason, he will not get to the first down marker. It never works. 
Should go down in the stat books as an incompletion for the quarterback, and a dropped target for the wide receiver, in my opinion.

We don't agree much but on 3rd and anything (outside of a designed RB screen) I hate it when they throw anything short of the sticks.
3rd and 6, run a 3 yard out and try to turn up field for the other 3 yards slightly undersized wide out.
3rd and 3, let's throw a wr screen -1 yd behind LOS to the side with 3 wrs and 3 cbs and hope the wr can beat his unblocked man.

But hey... I'm no OC, so what the Hell do I know.

(11-21-2019, 11:34 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2019, 10:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]One of my big irritations watching football is when, third down and less than 10, they send some receivers out past the first down marker, throw to a guy who is not past the first down marker. Guess what? they left him open for a reason, he will not get to the first down marker. It never works. 
Should go down in the stat books as an incompletion for the quarterback, and a dropped target for the wide receiver, in my opinion.

We don't agree much but on 3rd and anything (outside of a designed RB screen) I hate it when they throw anything short of the sticks.
3rd and 6, run a 3 yard out and try to turn up field for the other 3 yards slightly undersized wide out.
3rd and 3, let's throw a wr screen -1 yd behind LOS to the side with 3 wrs and 3 cbs and hope the wr can beat his unblocked man.

But hey... I'm no OC, so what the Hell do I know.

But other teams do it to us with success all the time so it must work.

It's going to be miserable on Sunday. They are going to force LF, the same player who was shut down except for 1 run the last time. Look for the Titans to stack the box and the Jags to force the run into it.

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(11-21-2019, 11:40 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-21-2019, 11:34 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]We don't agree much but on 3rd and anything (outside of a designed RB screen) I hate it when they throw anything short of the sticks.
3rd and 6, run a 3 yard out and try to turn up field for the other 3 yards slightly undersized wide out.
3rd and 3, let's throw a wr screen -1 yd behind LOS to the side with 3 wrs and 3 cbs and hope the wr can beat his unblocked man.

But hey... I'm no OC, so what the Hell do I know.

But other teams do it to us with success all the time so it must work.

I saw the colts throw a pass short of the scrimmage line on 3rd and mile and convert. Seemed to work just fine.

(11-21-2019, 11:40 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-21-2019, 11:34 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]We don't agree much but on 3rd and anything (outside of a designed RB screen) I hate it when they throw anything short of the sticks.
3rd and 6, run a 3 yard out and try to turn up field for the other 3 yards slightly undersized wide out.
3rd and 3, let's throw a wr screen -1 yd behind LOS to the side with 3 wrs and 3 cbs and hope the wr can beat his unblocked man.

But hey... I'm no OC, so what the Hell do I know.

But other teams do it to us with success all the time so it must work.

It's one of those things that is common in most offenses but people zero in on it when the offense struggles.
No one complains about the WR screens when they are rattling of 11-15 yards repeatedly.  As soon as two of them are defended well though - "Stop these stupid screens!!! Rip that page from the playbook!!!" 

While the patriots alter their gameplans tremendously at times according to opponent, I've watched plenty of games wherein Brady threw short of the sticks very frequently.  Given the Jags protection issues up front, I'd expect we'll continue to see plenty of those routes to help Foles get the ball out quickly and I don't have a problem with it. 
Westbrook, Chark, Cole and Conley have all shown ability to generate YAC pretty consistently in those situations but sometimes the defense is just going to win on those plays.

(11-19-2019, 12:05 PM)Jaxson Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone: Lack of Fournette carries is 'on me' as HC

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...n-me-as-hc
   

Jacksonville Jaguars coach Doug Marrone says the lack of carries by running back Leonard Fournette in Sunday's loss to the Indianapolis Colts was a "big mistake" by him.

It is on him, but not because of the play calling.

Marrone was supposed to be an OL guru, yet, in spite of a prime free agent, a former Pro Bowl guard now playing center, and two high 2nd round picks expected to go in round 1 in every mock draft, the OL can't block for [BLEEP]. Even Cann was a highly rated guard in his draft.