(12-05-2019, 09:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2019, 10:53 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe. Maybe not. Can easily be spun into a precaution being taken since Foles was previously on short term IR and the fact that he did need to improve in those areas in the event Foles went down due to injury again.
A level of that decision would have been leaked by now. Especially after the outcome and last three weeks of performances on offense with Foles in command.
And if it's true though. Meaning Coughlin forced Foles into the line up and forced Marrone to deal with that situation. The whole off season is [BLEEP].
It's all speculation until someone owns up to it.
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I don't think so.
I bet Teddy Bridgewater gets zero snaps with the 1's during practice. You want to give your starter as many reps as possible to be fully prepared. Giving them away to Minshew just means he didn't fully have faith in Foles.
Agreed. Maybe. Maybe not. I am just burned out on speculating with this team. Between the shouting matches and finger pointing though it's going to be an interesting off season for Mr. Khan. There's clearly a disconnect in that building between the coaching staff and scouting staff.
And, again, is it Marrone coaching this team or is it Coughlin trying to coach this team? Did he overstep during the Ramsey situation? Has he overstepped by forcing Foles into Marrone's line-up instead of keeping pace with the promising rookie? It's just speculation. Hopefully everything is cleared up by the middle of next month.
I fault Marrone for not handling this situation right. It wasn’t Coughlin in my opinion.
No matter if you believe it was Marrone’s decision or Coughlin’s decision, it is Marrone’s fault for allowing Foles in the line-up and keeping him there. There’s a definite difference in quality of play; Marrone should’ve stuck with Minshew no matter what anyone else is telling him to do.
(12-05-2019, 10:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 09:58 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]If Burrow is on the board when we pick, either he lost a leg in the SECCG or their bowl game, 31 other franchises have suddenly vaporized, or we are now proud owners of the entirety of the 2021 NFL Draft
I look at the RGIII deal as a baseline. Give me all the dang picks, and we'll keep cycling multiple picks every year and build a behemoth.
I mean it all depends right? Chiefs and Texans gave up picks to move up and select their QB. I believe the Ravens sent picks to move up for their QB too. It's all about selecting the right QB and pairing him with the right coach.
I think if the Jags pair Tua with the right guy, he can be really really good. Tua and Chark would be awfully good together.
You'll notice I didn't even address Tua as I don't consider him at all in the first round. Burrow will likely be pick 1 unless he loses one of his legs as I stated earlier.
and the teams you mentioned weren't jumping to 1 for their guy. There's a big difference in moving from say 20 to 10 versus from 8 or 9 to 1.
(12-06-2019, 01:48 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]No matter if you believe it was Marrone’s decision or Coughlin’s decision, it is Marrone’s fault for allowing Foles in the line-up and keeping him there. There’s a definite difference in quality of play; Marrone should’ve stuck with Minshew no matter what anyone else is telling him to do.
If your boss the GM tells you to put a guy in, you're going to do it.
Stop being purposefully obtuse.
GMs and Owners overstep all the time and a HC does what he's told or else he gets fired.
I'm not here to absolve Marrone from anything. The cleaning of the whole house needs to happen.
I'm just sick of people making excuses or excusing Tom Coughlin of fault. He was brought in to fix the front office situation, he did not. He was brought in to bring a sort of discipline to the team. He has not. He's screwed the team up more than fixed it. He's directly responsible for the hiring of Marrone as HC. He's tied to the Bortles debacle, the Foles debacle, Fournette top 5, the alienating of players.
The project is over, imo.
(12-06-2019, 10:54 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2019, 01:48 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]No matter if you believe it was Marrone’s decision or Coughlin’s decision, it is Marrone’s fault for allowing Foles in the line-up and keeping him there. There’s a definite difference in quality of play; Marrone should’ve stuck with Minshew no matter what anyone else is telling him to do.
If your boss the GM tells you to put a guy in, you're going to do it.
Stop being purposefully obtuse.
GMs and Owners overstep all the time and a HC does what he's told or else he gets fired.
I'm not here to absolve Marrone from anything. The cleaning of the whole house needs to happen.
I'm just sick of people making excuses or excusing Tom Coughlin of fault. He was brought in to fix the front office situation, he did not. He was brought in to bring a sort of discipline to the team. He has not. He's screwed the team up more than fixed it. He's directly responsible for the hiring of Marrone as HC. He's tied to the Bortles debacle, the Foles debacle, Fournette top 5, the alienating of players.
The project is over, imo.
Who is absolving him of fault? They can share the blame. It still doesn’t change how I’d handle it. Shad is the only person I would’ve listened to had he told me to throw Foles in the starting line up. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t ever listen to his boss, but when the boss is making a stupid decision, make your own. I do it all the time. Besides, I’d argue that Marrone has ultimate say who is playing during game day, and it wouldn’t be stepping outside of his responsibilities to say no to anyone but Shad.
(12-06-2019, 11:26 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2019, 10:54 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]If your boss the GM tells you to put a guy in, you're going to do it.
Stop being purposefully obtuse.
GMs and Owners overstep all the time and a HC does what he's told or else he gets fired.
I'm not here to absolve Marrone from anything. The cleaning of the whole house needs to happen.
I'm just sick of people making excuses or excusing Tom Coughlin of fault. He was brought in to fix the front office situation, he did not. He was brought in to bring a sort of discipline to the team. He has not. He's screwed the team up more than fixed it. He's directly responsible for the hiring of Marrone as HC. He's tied to the Bortles debacle, the Foles debacle, Fournette top 5, the alienating of players.
The project is over, imo.
Who is absolving him of fault? They can share the blame. It still doesn’t change how I’d handle it. Shad is the only person I would’ve listened to had he told me to throw Foles in the starting line up. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t ever listen to his boss, but when the boss is making a stupid decision, make your own. I do it all the time. Besides, I’d argue that Marrone has ultimate say who is playing during game day, and it wouldn’t be stepping outside of his responsibilities to say no to anyone but Shad.
Then you would have probably been fired. Which while admirable would look foolish to 31 GMs around the league when looking for another HC job.
Tom has the con.
He's the boss of everyone not named Khan.
Period.
(12-06-2019, 01:07 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2019, 11:26 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Who is absolving him of fault? They can share the blame. It still doesn’t change how I’d handle it. Shad is the only person I would’ve listened to had he told me to throw Foles in the starting line up. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t ever listen to his boss, but when the boss is making a stupid decision, make your own. I do it all the time. Besides, I’d argue that Marrone has ultimate say who is playing during game day, and it wouldn’t be stepping outside of his responsibilities to say no to anyone but Shad.
Then you would have probably been fired. Which while admirable would look foolish to 31 GMs around the league when looking for another HC job.
Tom has the con.
He's the boss of everyone not named Khan.
Period.
We can't really know that. If Marrone has a history of working diligently with the FO, and he chooses this one moment to take a stand, I don't think that guarantees anything. Coughlin isn't going to straight-up fire Marrone because he didn't listen to him about making depth chart changes one time.
(12-06-2019, 01:21 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2019, 01:07 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Then you would have probably been fired. Which while admirable would look foolish to 31 GMs around the league when looking for another HC job.
Tom has the con.
He's the boss of everyone not named Khan.
Period.
We can't really know that. If Marrone has a history of working diligently with the FO, and he chooses this one moment to take a stand, I don't think that guarantees anything. Coughlin isn't going to straight-up fire Marrone because he didn't listen to him about making depth chart changes one time.
You sound like you have insider information. Can you shed some light on who's making these dumb decisions then? I am eager to learn
I swear I listened to podcast that said Coughlin was forcing Foles and they argued and also he wanted Fournette someone else wanted Mccaffrey or Mahomes not sure who though.
(12-06-2019, 04:24 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2019, 01:21 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]We can't really know that. If Marrone has a history of working diligently with the FO, and he chooses this one moment to take a stand, I don't think that guarantees anything. Coughlin isn't going to straight-up fire Marrone because he didn't listen to him about making depth chart changes one time.
You sound like you have insider information. Can you shed some light on who's making these dumb decisions then? I am eager to learn
You sound like you don't understand that we're giving our opinions. Mine differs from his.