(12-02-2019, 03:04 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't like Robinson or Taylor when we drafted them, but I was told I was wrong. Both have slow feet and bad footwork. Taylor just gets shoved around. I am a firm believer that OT, especially LT is the cornerstone of the team and must be taken in round 1. There is a shortage of really good LT's in the NFL and the truly good ones go fast.If you think you've found one in round 2, that is a guy 31 other teams found major flaws in. If you have problems at LT especially, you need to draft one with a first round selection. Right now, I'd definitely draft one in round 1. My personal choice would be to take DT Derrick Brown with our first selection in round 1 and take OT Trey Adams with the other.
So if Josh Allen wasn't there at #7 last year and we took Taylor at #7, he would be a better player because 31 teams did not pass on him?
I don't know what is wrong with Linder, but he leads the league with 9 offensive holding calls this season. Actually 11, but 2 were declined. The Jaguars lead the league with 32 offensive holding penalties.
(12-02-2019, 07:40 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know what is wrong with Linder, but he leads the league with 9 offensive holding calls this season. Actually 11, but 2 were declined. The Jaguars lead the league with 32 offensive holding penalties.
The guards are weak, that hurts the Center play.
(12-02-2019, 07:40 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know what is wrong with Linder, but he leads the league with 9 offensive holding calls this season. Actually 11, but 2 were declined. The Jaguars lead the league with 32 offensive holding penalties.
Has to do too much on such a crappy line. He's watching for bad OTs and bad OGs... it's gotta suck for him
Draft Wirfs, sign a good RT, and move both of Robinson and Taylor to guard.
I haven't actually studied Wirfs from a pro potential standpoint, and I haven't looked at FA lists yet to see if a good RT is actually available, so this is highly subject to change...but I think moving both of our tackles inside is a must if we are to maximize their potential.
(12-02-2019, 09:18 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 07:40 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know what is wrong with Linder, but he leads the league with 9 offensive holding calls this season. Actually 11, but 2 were declined. The Jaguars lead the league with 32 offensive holding penalties.
Has to do too much on such a crappy line. He's watching for bad OTs and bad OGs... it's gotta suck for him
It's probably bad coaching. The offensive line has problems picking up a simple defensive line stunt, and they too often look like they don't know which guy to block.
(12-02-2019, 09:38 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 09:18 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Has to do too much on such a crappy line. He's watching for bad OTs and bad OGs... it's gotta suck for him
It's probably bad coaching. The offensive line has problems picking up a simple defensive line stunt, and they too often look like they don't know which guy to block.
I have no idea about Warhop or what he teaches.. but I doubt he teaches them to do what they're doing.
First Pick: Tua
Second First Rounder: BAP
Second Rounder: BA Lineman
(12-02-2019, 09:33 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Draft Wirfs, sign a good RT, and move both of Robinson and Taylor to guard.
I haven't actually studied Wirfs from a pro potential standpoint, and I haven't looked at FA lists yet to see if a good RT is actually available, so this is highly subject to change...but I think moving both of our tackles inside is a must if we are to maximize their potential.
Moving Taylor and Robinson to guard was the idea I had spinning in my head as well. I think that's a pretty damn good solution, as both will be maulers at guard. They might give Taylor another year at RT, but Robinson has got to be moved. His feet are waaaaay too slow for LT. Pairing the pair of slowest feet tackles with the fumble machine aka Foles... Lol... Not sure the gameplan there.
(12-02-2019, 09:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]First Pick: Tua
Second First Rounder: BAP
Second Rounder: BA Lineman
so glad you're not GM
lol @ taking an injury prone dude with a Bo Jackson hip injury at our 1st pick
(12-02-2019, 10:01 AM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 09:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]First Pick: Tua
Second First Rounder: BAP
Second Rounder: BA Lineman
so glad you're not GM
lol @ taking an injury prone dude with a Bo Jackson hip injury at our 1st pick
Didn't they say it's not the same?
Bo Jackson's injury wasn't properly diagnosed for a long time. Tua they caught it right away
(12-02-2019, 10:02 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 10:01 AM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]so glad you're not GM
lol @ taking an injury prone dude with a Bo Jackson hip injury at our 1st pick
Didn't they say it's not the same?
Bo Jackson's injury wasn't properly diagnosed for a long time. Tua they caught it right away
Do you expect them to say it's the same?
(12-02-2019, 10:01 AM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 09:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]First Pick: Tua
Second First Rounder: BAP
Second Rounder: BA Lineman
so glad you're not GM
lol @ taking an injury prone dude with a Bo Jackson hip injury at our 1st pick
I already said there are risks with Tua but it also has the potential to be a Watson or Wilson type homerun. You want some more mediocrity or you wanna go big?
(12-02-2019, 10:04 AM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 10:02 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't they say it's not the same?
Bo Jackson's injury wasn't properly diagnosed for a long time. Tua they caught it right away
Do you expect them to say it's the same?
Do you know about Bo Jackson's injury?
(12-02-2019, 10:07 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 10:04 AM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]Do you expect them to say it's the same?
Do you know about Bo Jackson's injury?
Roc knows Bo's injury
(12-02-2019, 10:06 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 10:01 AM)rocdee Wrote: [ -> ]so glad you're not GM
lol @ taking an injury prone dude with a Bo Jackson hip injury at our 1st pick
I already said there are risks with Tua but it also has the potential to be a Watson or Wilson type homerun. You want some more mediocrity or you wanna go big?
Tua is toast. He's injury prone and has a major hip injury. HARD PASS, pimp.
1. Okudah
1b. Simmons
2. DT or OL
(12-02-2019, 09:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]First Pick: Tua
Second First Rounder: BAP
Second Rounder: BA Lineman
God no, so when Tua isnt that good his rookie year you draft another QB the following year? As good as Minshew has been in his rookie year I'm not sure what a QB has to do in his rookie year in your eyes to give him a shot and try to build around him instead of replacing the QB every year. Minshew has shown more than enough with this [BLEEP] staff, weak oline, and no TE to give this guy a shot and build around him for the future.
Find offensive lineman who play dirty. Dive at the back of knees. While buried in the pile, has no problem bending back fingers, gouging eyes, etc...
(12-02-2019, 02:27 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I could totally see our OL next year looking like...
LT Cam Robinson
LG Andrew Norwell
C - free agent or 1st/2nd round rookie
RG Brandon Linder
RT Jawaan Taylor
I'm expecting Cam and Jawaan to improve considerably this offseason.
OR
LT - Cam Robinson
LG - FA or High Draft pick
C - Brandon Linder
RG - High Draft pick or FA
RT - Jawaan Taylor
We can only use one of our four high round draft picks on the OL as you've eluded to. We have serious needs at the CB, MLB and DE positions. Campbell and Yann may not return for our 2020 season. In my mind, we'll let Norwell, Campbell, Yann and a few other vets walk. Our first two sets of first rounders will be Crucial to our future success because of this.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
I think Taylor will be fine. Hes a rookie and has showed flashes. I think he will be much improved next year
(12-02-2019, 10:26 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 02:27 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I could totally see our OL next year looking like...
LT Cam Robinson
LG Andrew Norwell
C - free agent or 1st/2nd round rookie
RG Brandon Linder
RT Jawaan Taylor
I'm expecting Cam and Jawaan to improve considerably this offseason.
OR
LT - Cam Robinson
LG - FA or High Draft pick
C - Brandon Linder
RG - High Draft pick or FA
RT - Jawaan Taylor
We can only use one of our four high round draft picks on the OL as you've eluded to. We have serious needs at the CB, MLB and DE positions. Campbell and Yann may not return for our 2020 season. In my mind, we'll let Norwell, Campbell, Yann and a few other vets walk. Our first two sets of first rounders will be Crucial to our future success because of this.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
There isnt ant doubt Yann will be here next year. If a deal dont get dont they will franchise him
(12-01-2019, 06:20 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The team just needs to start drafting the best player with every pick, don't make picks based on perceived need, just start trying to get the best players. Picking mediocre players to occupy depth chat slow is how you have decades of futility like the Jaguars have done.
So really I guess the first move the Jaguars need to make is getting a GM that can actually evaluate talent and pick players without thinking about perceived needs.
This isn't how any team drafts in reality