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(12-21-2019, 08:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Coming back?

LOL

He’s an owner of the [BLEEP] team.
Was he going to fire himself??

I wish I could upvote this.


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Tony has been working in front offices for years now.

People need to quit acting like he has no experience.

(12-25-2019, 06:17 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Tony has been working in front offices for years now.

People need to quit acting like he has no experience.

Elaborate...what NFL teams besides the one his daddy bought?

(12-25-2019, 08:01 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 06:17 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Tony has been working in front offices for years now.

People need to quit acting like he has no experience.

Elaborate...what NFL teams besides the one his daddy bought?

Just because Shahid owns this team doesn't preclude Tony from learning and understanding the management/FO side...

Also, while there may be some differences in how organizations/teams are run between different sports and leagues - there are still many translatable qualities/characteristics/foundational knowledge that one can only possess by being active in FO management.

(12-25-2019, 08:50 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 08:01 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Elaborate...what NFL teams besides the one his daddy bought?

Just because Shahid owns this team doesn't preclude Tony from learning and understanding the management/FO side...

Also, while there may be some differences in how organizations/teams are run between different sports and leagues - there are still many translatable qualities/characteristics/foundational knowledge that one can only possess by being active in FO management.

Can be held accountable? No...ok..

(12-25-2019, 09:16 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 08:50 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Just because Shahid owns this team doesn't preclude Tony from learning and understanding the management/FO side...

Also, while there may be some differences in how organizations/teams are run between different sports and leagues - there are still many translatable qualities/characteristics/foundational knowledge that one can only possess by being active in FO management.

Can be held accountable? No...ok..

Bless your heart.

I hope you had a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays.

(12-25-2019, 08:50 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 08:01 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Elaborate...what NFL teams besides the one his daddy bought?

Just because Shahid owns this team doesn't preclude Tony from learning and understanding the management/FO side...

Also, while there may be some differences in how organizations/teams are run between different sports and leagues - there are still many translatable qualities/characteristics/foundational knowledge that one can only possess by being active in FO management.

You’re a joke.

(12-25-2019, 09:36 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 09:16 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Can be held accountable? No...ok..

Bless your heart.

I hope you had a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays.

Yes Merry Christmas thank you.

Nepotism... if he is in a position like GM and he is horrible, is Daddy gonna fire him? You don’t want to mix ownership and team management. It’s just a bad combo no matter how smart Tony is.

(12-25-2019, 09:56 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 08:50 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Just because Shahid owns this team doesn't preclude Tony from learning and understanding the management/FO side...

Also, while there may be some differences in how organizations/teams are run between different sports and leagues - there are still many translatable qualities/characteristics/foundational knowledge that one can only possess by being active in FO management.

You’re a joke.

Lump of coal in your stocking again this year?

(12-25-2019, 10:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 09:56 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]You’re a joke.

Lump of coal in your stocking again this year?

Lol.. actually it was a good Christmas with the fam. Hope all of y’all had a good one too.. yep even you enigma

(12-25-2019, 08:01 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 06:17 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Tony has been working in front offices for years now.

People need to quit acting like he has no experience.

Elaborate...what NFL teams besides the one his daddy bought?

Immaterial. It doesn't change the fact he has years of experience.

(12-25-2019, 10:16 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 09:36 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Bless your heart.

I hope you had a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays.

Yes Merry Christmas thank you.

Nepotism... if he is in a position like GM and he is horrible, is Daddy gonna fire him? You don’t want to mix ownership and team management. It’s just a bad combo no matter how smart Tony is.

One day Tony will likely inherit the team.

I'd rather have an owner that understands how an NFL team works behind the scenes than one who doesn't.

(12-27-2019, 01:55 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2019, 10:16 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Yes Merry Christmas thank you.

Nepotism... if he is in a position like GM and he is horrible, is Daddy gonna fire him? You don’t want to mix ownership and team management. It’s just a bad combo no matter how smart Tony is.

One day Tony will likely inherit the team.

I'd rather have an owner that understands how an NFL team works behind the scenes than one who doesn't.

Absolutely... but you don’t want an owner/gm.

(12-27-2019, 02:26 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2019, 01:55 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]One day Tony will likely inherit the team.

I'd rather have an owner that understands how an NFL team works behind the scenes than one who doesn't.

Absolutely... but you don’t want an owner/gm.

If he spends years learning how to do it, I see no problem with it.

(12-27-2019, 05:26 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2019, 02:26 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely... but you don’t want an owner/gm.

If he spends years learning how to do it, I see no problem with it.

Step 1. Hire someone who has successfully deveolped or been in a critical position in assisting in developing a winning team on a relatively consistent level from a scouting, general management and personnel decision making field.

Step 2. Step the [BLEEP] out of their way. Assist when needed. Only intervene when [BLEEP] hits the fan and public opinion has now resulted in a whole lot of pundits and critics pissing in your bowl of golden colored corn flakes.



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(12-27-2019, 05:26 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2019, 02:26 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely... but you don’t want an owner/gm.

If he spends years learning how to do it, I see no problem with it.

Years doing it doesn’t equal success. 

Sorry- but having someone in a position like that, that cannot he fired. How do you replace the gm when he’s the owner? Sell the team?

(12-28-2019, 04:29 AM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2019, 05:26 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]If he spends years learning how to do it, I see no problem with it.

Years doing it doesn’t equal success. 

Sorry- but having someone in a position like that, that cannot he fired. How do you replace the gm when he’s the owner? Sell the team?

I don't think we should overreact to the idea that "Tony Khan is going to be more involved."

He's not going to be the GM.  I don't think he would have any desire to do that, anyway.  I also don't think he would be the kind of EVP that TC was.  He's not that type of person.  

Now here's my opinion of what he should be doing if he wants to be more involved, and I hope this is what he does: he should be an extension of the owner.  Shad Khan is still a globe-trotting businessman who is busy selling bumpers and other car parts, with factories all over the world.  I don't think he has time to pay enough attention to the Jaguars to make it a winning team.  Someone has to pay attention for him, and the perfect candidate for that is his son, Tony.  Tony's role should be watching and listening, making sure there is an intelligent process for doing things, and make sure the HC and the GM have the resources they need to be successful.  

That is what I had hoped TC would be when he was hired as EVP of Football Ops, but apparently, he wanted to do more than that, and that resulted in 3 people trying to do 2 jobs, which apparently was a disaster.  I don't think the Jaguars should have an EVP of football ops of the type that TC represented.  I think the GM and the HC should be free to do their jobs without being micro-managed by some guy who outranks them.

(12-28-2019, 04:29 AM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2019, 05:26 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]If he spends years learning how to do it, I see no problem with it.

Years doing it doesn’t equal success. 

Sorry- but having someone in a position like that, that cannot he fired. How do you replace the gm when he’s the owner? Sell the team?

The only time it would matter is if you have an owner/GM that has bad ideas about team building, like believing in needs based drafting. There's a big advantage for having an owner as the GM, though, which is they never have to worry about being fired and can truly treat the draft as it should be, which is as a way to acquire elite talents that you can't actually find in free agency because truly elite talents never hit free agency. An owner GM can draft purely thinking toward the future.

That being said, there's probably nothing worse than having an owner GM that thinks the draft is for getting bodies into roster slots regardless of their ability compared to other available draft prospects of positions of lesser need.

Taven Bryan is a great example of needs based drafting, though they thought they'd need him a year out. Turns out he might never actually be a great player but they passed on an MVP QB for him because they already had Bortles.

(12-28-2019, 10:07 AM)ISeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2019, 04:29 AM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Years doing it doesn’t equal success. 

Sorry- but having someone in a position like that, that cannot he fired. How do you replace the gm when he’s the owner? Sell the team?

The only time it would matter is if you have an owner/GM that has bad ideas about team building, like believing in needs based drafting. There's a big advantage for having an owner as the GM, though, which is they never have to worry about being fired and can truly treat the draft as it should be, which is as a way to acquire elite talents that you can't actually find in free agency because truly elite talents never hit free agency. An owner GM can draft purely thinking toward the future.

That being said, there's probably nothing worse than having an owner GM that thinks the draft is for getting bodies into roster slots regardless of their ability compared to other available draft prospects of positions of lesser need.

Taven Bryan is a great example of needs based drafting, though they thought they'd need him a year out. Turns out he might never actually be a great player but they passed on an MVP QB for him because they already had Bortles.

Things you should stop believing in: 

Santa 
Easter Bunny 
Tooth Fairy 
Unicorns
BAP drafting 



All 32 teams consider needs with their picks. They are all willing to pass on higher rated players to take a similarly rated player at a position of need. This is reality regardless of who is running our front office next year.

(12-28-2019, 10:07 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2019, 04:29 AM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]Years doing it doesn’t equal success. 

Sorry- but having someone in a position like that, that cannot he fired. How do you replace the gm when he’s the owner? Sell the team?

The only time it would matter is if you have an owner/GM that has bad ideas about team building, like believing in needs based drafting. There's a big advantage for having an owner as the GM, though, which is they never have to worry about being fired and can truly treat the draft as it should be, which is as a way to acquire elite talents that you can't actually find in free agency because truly elite talents never hit free agency. An owner GM can draft purely thinking toward the future.

That being said, there's probably nothing worse than having an owner GM that thinks the draft is for getting bodies into roster slots regardless of their ability compared to other available draft prospects of positions of lesser need.

Taven Bryan is a great example of needs based drafting, though they thought they'd need him a year out. Turns out he might never actually be a great player but they passed on an MVP QB for him because they already had Bortles.

Taven is an example of when need pairs with bap (like all picks). They thought he was one of the highest rated players on their board along with filling a need in a year. 

Chark and Ronnie are also good examples of guys they considered bap while also filling a current or future need.