Ok maybe this can help evaluate what the Vikings game up a 1st rounder for
Sam Bradford- 2015......3,725 yards.....19 TDs.......14 INT 86.4 rating and this is probably his best year before they gave the 1st rounder for him. This past year was technically his best year throwing for 20 TDs and 5 INT.
Blake Bortles- 2015.......4,428 yards.....35TDs......18INT and a rating of 88.2 and an off year in 2016 for Bortles statistically is on par for Bradfords best year. Yes winning is everything but what the heck has Bradford done in the NFL yet and he's had a lot better Oline in front of him? A first rounder is not out of the question depending if a team feels desperate to get a QB like the Vikings but I think anything less than a 2nd rounder is just crazy IF a trade were to happen....
whatever a qb that can net your team 63 td's in 2 seasons would get you
Not much with all the pick 6's
Quote:Ok maybe this can help evaluate what the Vikings game up a 1st rounder for
Sam Bradford- 2015......3,725 yards.....19 TDs.......14 INT 86.4 rating and this is probably his best year before they gave the 1st rounder for him. This past year was technically his best year throwing for 20 TDs and 5 INT.
Blake Bortles- 2015.......4,428 yards.....35TDs......18INT and a rating of 88.2 and an off year in 2016 for Bortles statistically is on par for Bradfords best year. Yes winning is everything but what the heck has Bradford done in the NFL yet and he's had a lot better Oline in front of him? A first rounder is not out of the question depending if a team feels desperate to get a QB like the Vikings but I think anything less than a 2nd rounder is just crazy IF a trade were to happen....
but... but he sucks and isn't worth a 5th.
lol unfortunately the Jacksonville fan base has been beat up to the point we see a player slip or not show elite talent on a constant basis and we immediately jump to the conclusion that they suck or can't develope. Maybe it's caused lack of patience, who knows.
We have seen a lot of [BLEEP] players in the last decade, but I honestly can't decide what I would think if I was an outsider looking in.
Guess we just have to wait and see.
Trade him to the Texans and watch him shine.
Way too many people on here confuse "better than Gabbert" with "quality QB". Blake is better than Gabbert for sure, but he hasn't been a quality QB to date when looking at the whole picture. I don't think Blake has much more than 5th round value right now which means it would be foolish for us to not keep him and let him compete for the job this year with whatever rookie hopefully gets drafted in the first few rounds. What team is going to give up significant value based on what we've seen from him so far and also have to make the decision to extend his contract? You don't trade for someone so you can franchise them and you don't trade for the uncertainty that is Blake Bortles and then lock him up in a new contract either. No one is giving up a 3rd, let alone a 1st, for a 1 year evaluation of what has been a bad QB to date.
Quote:Way too many people on here confuse "better than Gabbert" with "quality QB". Blake is better than Gabbert for sure, but he's hasn't been a quality QB to date when looking at the whole picture. I don't think Blake has much more than 5th round value right now which means it would be foolish for us to not keep him and let him compete for the job this year with whatever rookie hopefully gets drafted in the first few rounds. What team is going to give up significant value based on what we've seen from him so far and also have to make the decision to extend his contract? You don't trade for someone so you can franchise them and you don't trade for the uncertainty that is Blake Bortles and then lock him up in a new contract either. No one is giving up a 3rd, let alone a 1st, for a 1 year evaluation of what has been a bad QB to date.
meh. That's a fair take. But does this "whole picture" people are missing include this teams complete lack of addressing the offensive line on a level that would be considered helpful to a young developing qb. He has weapons on the outside. But can you really tell yourself zeke and dak would thrive behind this line. If so then we have a difference in opinion. if not, then I think you'd have to be a little undecided on the man.
Quote:meh. That's a fair take. But does this "whole picture" people are missing include this teams complete lack of addressing the offensive line on a level that would be considered helpful to a young developing qb. He has weapons on the outside. But can you really tell yourself zeke and dak would thrive behind this line. If so then we have a difference in opinion. if not, then I think you'd have to be a little undecided on the man.
The offensive line play was better last year. Not that it was or has been great, but it was adequate enough to know where the majority of fault lies. And with most of Blake's gaffes he's getting the ball off cleanly.
Blake isn't a good QB and probably won't ever become one, but the compensation we'd receive for unloading him wouldn't be worth the value in giving him this last year to see if he can turn it around. I do think he'll look a little better though this year by default with the defense likely being better and hopefully putting our offense in some favorable situations more often, I just don't think he'll ever shake the pick 6's and turnovers deep in our own territory. He's done too much of that and done it consistently.
Quote:Agree.
Though, it would go against the "win now" mode they have publicly committed to.
Tossing Bortles this early says we're "taking lumps now" for the better of the future.
Not necessarily. Tossing Bortles this early says "we have a better alternative". This is why people demanding that Bortles should be pulled from his starting position are in for disappointment. He's beaten Henne out in fair competition time and time again - and don't tell me it's because of his salary or draft position - the decision has been made by people who aren't responsible for those and whose jobs depended on playing the quarterback with the best chance to win. Until we have a better alternative, Bortles is the starter. As soon as we have a better alternative then either he's a backup with potential to improve, or he's gone, depending on how those at the top evaluate him. Any draft pick we get in return is just a bonus.
Quote:Not necessarily. Tossing Bortles this early says "we have a better alternative".
Well... do they?
Right now, they don't. And no matter who they draft, they wouldn't be better this season, either.
That's not win now.
Honestly what is one more year of losing. Are we really going to win now? Someone is foolish enough to give you crazy tade value wouldn't you do it?
Quote:Honestly what is one more year of losing. Are we really going to win now? Someone is foolish enough to give you crazy tade value wouldn't you do it?
Yes, I would. Just pointing out that this goes against their very vocal commitment to "win now."
What would the Jags get? Probably not worth the trade value.
We would be moronic if someone offered a 1st rounder and we didn't accept it.
Garoppollo is commanding a first and a third, and he's not even a starter. Blake is a starting qb in this league. Anyone saying he's worth less than a 2nd round pick is fooling themselves.
Quote:Well... do they?
Right now, they don't. And no matter who they draft, they wouldn't be better this season, either.
That's not win now.
Right now they don't. That's pretty much the objective truth.
No matter who they draft they wouldn't be better this season? That's your opinion. It's also my opinion. There are some people who think otherwise - if one of them happens to be Tom Coughlin or Dave Caldwell then it could be the 'win now' move from their perspective, combined with a bigger upside for future seasons as well. If you believe that Bortles isn't going to win for this team,
and that one of the QBs available when the Jaguars pick is,
and that their performance this season will be at least as good as Bortles this season, then what about that isn't 'win now'? (Answer: well, the opportunity loss in the draft pick not being used elsewhere has to be accounted for - you'd have to bet that the improvement from Bortles to your new QB would be more significant than the improvement from, say, our current RB corps to Fournette...)
If a 1st or 2nd were on the table, I'm pretty sure Blake would be on a plane right now to his new home city. The team probably isn't willing to part with him for much less so that may in fact be his price tag, but no one is paying that. Highest offered would probably be a 4th, lowest the Jags would take is probably a high 3rd. Like I said above, no one is paying a 3rd for the privilege of evaluating Blake this year and no one is trading for him and immediately locking him up based on what he's done so far.
Quote:Garoppollo is commanding a first and a third, and he's not even a starter. Blake is a starting qb in this league. Anyone saying he's worth less than a 2nd round pick is fooling themselves.
LOL .... that means every starting QB commands a 2nd round trade or better.