(12-31-2019, 01:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 12:43 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]In no way shape or form is Nick Foles even on par with Minshew... better than Minshew - You're insane. Nick Foles SUCKS.
Foles has been solid in the past with better teams that bother to field an offensive line. He didn't get a fair shake here. He was rushed back onto the field while still hurt and placed behind a line that tried their hardest to get him killed. I'd rather have Minshew than Foles long term, but Foles doesn't suck at all. What sucks is that the Jaguars vastly overpaid for him. Remember, at the end of the preseason, many here were clamoring for Minshew to be cut. How would that have worked out?
I more say he sucks to get under Ronsters skin since he was so sure Foles would be the savior.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks he was rushed back though.. he was cleared to play 2 weeks before he actually took over.
(12-31-2019, 01:17 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 01:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Foles has been solid in the past with better teams that bother to field an offensive line. He didn't get a fair shake here. He was rushed back onto the field while still hurt and placed behind a line that tried their hardest to get him killed. I'd rather have Minshew than Foles long term, but Foles doesn't suck at all. What sucks is that the Jaguars vastly overpaid for him. Remember, at the end of the preseason, many here were clamoring for Minshew to be cut. How would that have worked out?
I more say he sucks to get under Ronsters skin since he was so sure Foles would be the savior.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks he was rushed back though.. he was cleared to play 2 weeks before he actually took over.
Cleared to practice vs cleared to play
(12-31-2019, 01:28 PM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 01:17 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I more say he sucks to get under Ronsters skin since he was so sure Foles would be the savior.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks he was rushed back though.. he was cleared to play 2 weeks before he actually took over.
Cleared to practice vs cleared to play
Right.
So they watched him for an entire two weeks practicing.
He was physically ready. If he's not mentally ready... well.. that's pretty weak.
(12-31-2019, 12:43 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-31-2019, 12:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]So the question now is what's their leash? If they're 5-7 next year and near the top of the league in penalties again does Khan finally pull the trigger, or are they getting a shot at yet another rebuild and several years to go along with it? The roster seems in dire need of overhaul, and with multiple first round picks this year would have been ideal to start a new direction.
Leash is short. Especially after Khan has publicly backed them two years in a row.
If they get off to a 1 - 5 start or winless start by week 7 there's a good chance Khan goes Dan Synder and fires him extremely early.
He would have no choice. It's going to be a hard sell at the ticket booth next year. Winning cures all of course. But if they don't win early and often? 
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That sounds like the sane thing to do, but clearly he's not operating the way any of us would consider wise.
In fact I don't even see the point of bringing them back for one more shot unless it's with the understanding that there isn't enough talent and the cap is a problem that will necessitate a step back before forward momentum can be established again. With that being understood I don't see how this can mean anything else other than at least a couple more years of Caldwell and Marrone, with next year likely being horrifyingly bad.
Also, to add more bad news, I expect this move means instead of taking the best player they can to help a very weak roster for both first round picks they'll flush them on need reaches, it's what personnel guys at the end of their rope do, they start thinking even more about how they just need to fill a few needs then suddenly everything will come together.
(12-31-2019, 12:01 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They play the AFC North and NFC North. They'll be lucky to get 6 again with this staff. Wash has to go. Surprised that wasn't done yet.
Coughlin gets to be the scapegoat for these guys which is pathetic since he was brought here to make up for Caldwell's inability to get it done to begin with and Marrone was a Bradley hire.
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Meh, Pittsburgh over performed this year imo. Cincy is badddd, 1 draft won't fix that team. Browns scary on paper, but are the Browns. Ravens we can just ink the L right now.
Green Bay and Minnesota are near locks for losses, but we should compete with Chicago. Chi is basically a slightly better version of ourselves and the Lions will do Lions things (See Browns), but they will have Stafford Back. Between the 8 games I could see us winning 4 or 5, which isn't bad considering if we split in the division at 3-3, that's 7 or 8 wins. Steal a game from Miami(Its sad I even think we will need to steal one from this team, of all teams haha) and we could be looking at the 6th seed.
It's a long ways away to know, lots can change, but looking at the rosters now, I like our chances in about half of the 8 North games we will play. If we can get some damn O line and TE help, maybe get some better interior D linemen and a CB1 we may be able to hit 9 wins. That is the absolute ceiling I see for this team heading into 2020.
Mods, can we merge this thread with the Marrone staying thread?
Sorry if it's a bad suggestion but the lack of accountability with this organization is just making me want to impose my will, since they won't.
(12-31-2019, 01:54 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 12:01 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They play the AFC North and NFC North. They'll be lucky to get 6 again with this staff. Wash has to go. Surprised that wasn't done yet.
Coughlin gets to be the scapegoat for these guys which is pathetic since he was brought here to make up for Caldwell's inability to get it done to begin with and Marrone was a Bradley hire.
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Meh, Pittsburgh over performed this year imo. Cincy is badddd, 1 draft won't fix that team. Browns scary on paper, but are the Browns. Ravens we can just ink the L right now.
Green Bay and Minnesota are near locks for losses, but we should compete with Chicago. Chi is basically a slightly better version of ourselves and the Lions will do Lions things (See Browns), but they will have Stafford Back. Between the 8 games I could see us winning 4 or 5, which isn't bad considering if we split in the division at 3-3, that's 7 or 8 wins. Steal a game from Miami(Its sad I even think we will need to steal one from this team, of all teams haha) and we could be looking at the 6th seed.
It's a long ways away to know, lots can change, but looking at the rosters now, I like our chances in about half of the 8 North games we will play. If we can get some damn O line and TE help, maybe get some better interior D linemen and a CB1 we may be able to hit 9 wins. That is the absolute ceiling I see for this team heading into 2020.
I can envision a scenario that isn't that far fetched based on the current situations with both teams:
The Jaguars host the Lions in London in the middle of the season. The loser of the game has a housecleaning a day later when the team is back in the United States.
(12-31-2019, 01:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 12:43 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]In no way shape or form is Nick Foles even on par with Minshew... better than Minshew - You're insane. Nick Foles SUCKS.
Remember, at the end of the preseason, many here were clamoring for Minshew to be cut. How would that have worked out?
The Jaguars would then have the # 1overallpick. Minshew is not a franchise qb.
(12-31-2019, 01:54 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 12:01 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They play the AFC North and NFC North. They'll be lucky to get 6 again with this staff. Wash has to go. Surprised that wasn't done yet.
Coughlin gets to be the scapegoat for these guys which is pathetic since he was brought here to make up for Caldwell's inability to get it done to begin with and Marrone was a Bradley hire.
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Meh, Pittsburgh over performed this year imo. Cincy is badddd, 1 draft won't fix that team. Browns scary on paper, but are the Browns. Ravens we can just ink the L right now.
Green Bay and Minnesota are near locks for losses, but we should compete with Chicago. Chi is basically a slightly better version of ourselves and the Lions will do Lions things (See Browns), but they will have Stafford Back. Between the 8 games I could see us winning 4 or 5, which isn't bad considering if we split in the division at 3-3, that's 7 or 8 wins. Steal a game from Miami(Its sad I even think we will need to steal one from this team, of all teams haha) and we could be looking at the 6th seed.
It's a long ways away to know, lots can change, but looking at the rosters now, I like our chances in about half of the 8 North games we will play. If we can get some damn O line and TE help, maybe get some better interior D linemen and a CB1 we may be able to hit 9 wins. That is the absolute ceiling I see for this team heading into 2020.
All of those teams showed more fight overall this year than our team did.
None of those teams gave up a 5 game stretch of losing by 17+ points nor did they get gashed left and right for 200+ yard games on the ground.
We had six wins against bad teams this year. We should improve. As those teams will. There's no such thing as an easy win in the NFL.
But. For now on paper? That's tough sledding. 6 wins may be too generous. Especially with plenty of holes to fill across the board along with the losses of probably Dareus, Bouye & maybe Campbell and Ngakoue.
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(12-31-2019, 02:15 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 01:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] Remember, at the end of the preseason, many here were clamoring for Minshew to be cut. How would that have worked out?
The Jaguars would then have the # 1overallpick. Minshew is not a franchise qb.
Based on what?
21 TDs to 6 INTs for a ROOKIE.... with a TERRIBLE offensive line and ZERO TEs.
Dude... stop with the draft position bias.
(12-31-2019, 02:37 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 02:15 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]The Jaguars would then have the # 1overallpick. Minshew is not a franchise qb.
Based on what?
21 TDs to 6 INTs for a ROOKIE.... with a TERRIBLE offensive line and ZERO TEs.
Dude... stop with the draft position bias.
His numbers would have more than likely led all rookies had he not been pulled for three weeks.
I think it's great if they landed our franchise QB in RD6. That's excellent. I want to be positive.
He's a reason to be positive in 2020. Maybe Caldwell and Marrone can work together collectively and use this class to patch up some holes.
We'll see.
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(12-31-2019, 02:15 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 01:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] Remember, at the end of the preseason, many here were clamoring for Minshew to be cut. How would that have worked out?
The Jaguars would then have the # 1overallpick. Minshew is not a franchise qb.
Maybe maybe not but he is the closest thing this franchise has had to one since Brunell.
I honestly believe if he hadn't been benched he would have had 25 TDs and at least 3800 yards passing which is pretty impressive for a rookie, even more so for a 6th round rookie.
(12-31-2019, 02:01 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Mods, can we merge this thread with the Marrone staying thread?
Sorry if it's a bad suggestion but the lack of accountability with this organization is just making me want to impose my will, since they won't.
They are separate. People could feel differently about each guy.
(12-31-2019, 02:44 PM)newporttom Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2019, 02:01 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Mods, can we merge this thread with the Marrone staying thread?
Sorry if it's a bad suggestion but the lack of accountability with this organization is just making me want to impose my will, since they won't.
They are separate. People could feel differently about each guy.
One difference is Dave Caldwell has been given many more opportunities than Doug Marrone. Caldwell will be entering his 8th season as Jaguars GM. Marrone, his 4th as Head Coach, not including his interim HC stint late in the 2016 season. Having said this, IMHO, it would have been difficult to retain Marrone with a new GM, based on the outcome of the last 2 seasons.
Of the three I am most inclined to keep Caldwell...
Once TC was cut loose, I was optimistic they would clean house. This is very disappointing.
I can only speculate that TC was an obvious issue behind closed doors. Only the people in the building know which front office person pushed for certain decisions.
I'm okay with this, but they have to fire Wash.
With Dorsey getting outed in Cleveland, I wonder if there's any chance of a Dorsey-type being hired as an adviser to Dave?
(12-31-2019, 03:56 PM)newporttom Wrote: [ -> ]With Dorsey getting outed in Cleveland, I wonder if there's any chance of a Dorsey-type being hired as an adviser to Dave?
Dorsey should replace Caldwell but since Khan is just a clown...
"Tom Coughlin was the real problem! Which is why we waited until after the NFLPA warning was announced to fire him."