I was thinking about the draft choices we have the nest two years.
This year we have TEN (10) draft picks, inckuding two first rounders, two fourth rounders, and two 6th rounders.
Next year, we currently have NINE (9) first round picks, including two first round picks and two fourth round picks.
Hypothetical #1.
There is speculation that the team will slap the francgse tag onto Yannick Ngakoue, who has stated he does not want to play here any longer.
This draft is sparse in quality DEs, and based upon early speculation, there would be at least four teams (4) possibly interested in acquiring Ngakoue including Buffahole, Filthadelphia, Miami and the Giants. Baltimore has also been mentioned as a possibly interested team.
Assume the Jaguars realize Yan will never play another down for the team and can get at least a first round pick for him this year, givng the team three (3) first round picks in April's draft..
Given the holes on this team and the draft capital we'd have would you support a trade up with Washington that would require surrendering two of the first round picks (9 and 20)if it meant ending up with Chase Young playing opposite Josh Allen? Would your answer change if the player under consideration were Okudah or a QB? Why or why not?
Would you prefer to throw Ngakoue into the deal in place of pick #20, but with a lower pick instead (i.e. #9, Yan, and say a 3rd)? Why or why not?
Hypothetical #2
Assume the top 8 goes something like this
1. Cincinnati-Burrow
2. Washington -Chase Young
3. Detroit-Derrick Brown
4. N.Y. Giants-T. Wirfs
5. Miami-Tua Tagoavila
6. Chargers-Herbert
7. Carolina-Okudah
8. Arizona-Wills T Alabama
Caldwell, realizing he is in full rebuild mode, has seen the light when it comes to trading down. He feels at 9, he is more likely to be out of the running for an elite talent. However, a good consolation prize would be a stud LT to upgrade Cam Robinson. However, there is an early run on the top tier of LTs ahead of us, leaving only Thomas and Becton remaining on the board. You prefer Thomas as your guy. Immediately behind the Jaguars in the draft order are Cleveland and the Jets, both of whom need LTs . The Jets offer a 4th round pick to move up to 9, jumping ahead of Cleveland to take their LT. Would you take the deal? Would your answer change if Cordy Glenn, who has played quality LT, were available to sign as a free agent? Would you be fine at missing out on both Becton and Thomas if it meant getting an elite guy like Simmons at a non premium position? If LT were your goal and you missed out on both, what position would you take at 11? Would you risk moving back to Tampa's pick to prevent Indy from getting the young QB in Herbert or Young if it meant possibly missing out on Derrick Brown, Isaiah Simmons, the tackles and Kinlaw? Under those circumstances if you missed out on all of those guys, who would you target at 14?
Assuming the draft goes as follows in Hypothetical #2, you run to the podium with a huge smile on your face and turn in the card that says "Isaiah Simmons" as the 9th overall pick.
I don't think there's any way Simmons is still on the board at #9 though, sadly.
I would not endorse giving up both of our 1st round picks just to move up to grab Chase Young, or quite frankly anyone not named Trevor Lawrence (next years draft).
The first part of hypothetical #1 shines a big light on our situation - we have too many holes but we also have a good amount of draft capital to address these holes.
As for hypothetical #2, I would take Simmons in a heartbeat and not look back.
I'd run to the podium to pick Isaiah Simmons. I think he's the second best player in the draft behind Chase Young. Now I would trade the 20th for some draft capital next year. Maybe a situation where we get someone's 2021 1st rounder and 2020 2nd round. But I have made it clear that I'm team Trevor Lawrence/Justin Fields in 2021.
I could see the team next year usher in a new regime of Daniel Jeremiah as GM, Eric Bienemy as Head Coach, and Trevor Lawrence as the QB.
(03-04-2020, 12:19 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming the draft goes as follows in Hypothetical #2, you run to the podium with a huge smile on your face and turn in the card that says "Isaiah Simmons" as the 9th overall pick.
I don't think there's any way Simmons is still on the board at #9 though, sadly.
Okay then. Same hypothetical, only Simmons goes to Detroit and Derrick Brown is the one available at 9.
What then?
(03-04-2020, 02:59 AM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]I would not endorse giving up both of our 1st round picks just to move up to grab Chase Young, or quite frankly anyone not named Trevor Lawrence (next years draft).
The first part of hypothetical #1 shines a big light on our situation - we have too many holes but we also have a good amount of draft capital to address these holes.
As for hypothetical #2, I would take Simmons in a heartbeat and not look back.
But under the hypothetical, you'd still end up with two first round picks-the #2 overall and the one you wound up getting for Yan.
Same result?
(03-04-2020, 05:41 AM)Black and Teal Wrote: [ -> ]I'd run to the podium to pick Isaiah Simmons. I think he's the second best player in the draft behind Chase Young. Now I would trade the 20th for some draft capital next year. Maybe a situation where we get someone's 2021 1st rounder and 2020 2nd round. But I have made it clear that I'm team Trevor Lawrence/Justin Fields in 2021.
I could see the team next year usher in a new regime of Daniel Jeremiah as GM, Eric Bienemy as Head Coach, and Trevor Lawrence as the QB.
Not sure I see that at all.
You take Simmons at 9 and then use pick 20 and the pick we got for Yan and move up and get Becton or Thomas
I think we are set at 9, there will be a very good prospect there who has the chance to be elite. If anything, we could trade back a few spots from there and still get an elite prospect.
I think the possibility of us trading out of pick 20 is pretty big though. I think there are 15 maybe 16 top-tier prospects in this draft. Maybe they trade up to grab one. Alternatively, if they are all gone, it could make sense to move back from 20 (Jeremiah floated this idea recently too) to a pick later in the first where we can still pick up a CB from that second tier (Fulton, Gladney, Diggs) and pick up extra draft ammo for this year or next.
In Hypothetical #2 the clear answer is Isiah Simmons. If he however is off the board it could make an interesting trade down situation with both Brown/Kinlaw still on the board and NYJ are coming for an OT. You net an additional 4th with one of Kinlaw/Brown guaranteed to be there....I'd do it.
In Hypo #1:
As is usually my mindset in the draft, I would trade down instead of up. We have too many holes to fill that giving up 2 first for 1 position isn't worth it. With those 2 later 1st (assuming Yan nets a 1st) you could easily go OT/OG (whichever OT falls/Biadasz)...double down on secondary picks (Henderson/Delpit)...Grab a LB in Murray or Queen...or maybe even trade back again if one of the QBs falls to 20 (Love)...NOLA/NE will probably be the trade partners.
(03-03-2020, 11:52 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about the draft choices we have the nest two years.
This year we have TEN (10) draft picks, inckuding two first rounders, two fourth rounders, and two 6th rounders.
Next year, we currently have NINE (9) first round picks, including two first round picks and two fourth round picks.
Hypothetical #1.
There is speculation that the team will slap the francgse tag onto Yannick Ngakoue, who has stated he does not want to play here any longer.
This draft is sparse in quality DEs, and based upon early speculation, there would be at least four teams (4) possibly interested in acquiring Ngakoue including Buffahole, Filthadelphia, Miami and the Giants. Baltimore has also been mentioned as a possibly interested team.
Assume the Jaguars realize Yan will never play another down for the team and can get at least a first round pick for him this year, givng the team three (3) first round picks in April's draft..
Given the holes on this team and the draft capital we'd have would you support a trade up with Washington that would require surrendering two of the first round picks (9 and 20)if it meant ending up with Chase Young playing opposite Josh Allen? Would your answer change if the player under consideration were Okudah or a QB? Why or why not?
Would you prefer to throw Ngakoue into the deal in place of pick #20, but with a lower pick instead (i.e. #9, Yan, and say a 3rd)? Why or why not?
Hypothetical #2
Assume the top 8 goes something like this
1. Cincinnati-Burrow
2. Washington -Chase Young
3. Detroit-Derrick Brown
4. N.Y. Giants-T. Wirfs
5. Miami-Tua Tagoavila
6. Chargers-Herbert
7. Carolina-Okudah
8. Arizona-Wills T Alabama
Caldwell, realizing he is in full rebuild mode, has seen the light when it comes to trading down. He feels at 9, he is more likely to be out of the running for an elite talent. However, a good consolation prize would be a stud LT to upgrade Cam Robinson. However, there is an early run on the top tier of LTs ahead of us, leaving only Thomas and Becton remaining on the board. You prefer Thomas as your guy. Immediately behind the Jaguars in the draft order are Cleveland and the Jets, both of whom need LTs . The Jets offer a 4th round pick to move up to 9, jumping ahead of Cleveland to take their LT. Would you take the deal? Would your answer change if Cordy Glenn, who has played quality LT, were available to sign as a free agent? Would you be fine at missing out on both Becton and Thomas if it meant getting an elite guy like Simmons at a non premium position? If LT were your goal and you missed out on both, what position would you take at 11? Would you risk moving back to Tampa's pick to prevent Indy from getting the young QB in Herbert or Young if it meant possibly missing out on Derrick Brown, Isaiah Simmons, the tackles and Kinlaw? Under those circumstances if you missed out on all of those guys, who would you target at 14?
Hypothetical #1- I would exercise all 3 first round picks individually. No way I would trade up for any one player. Too many holes to fill.
Hypothetical #2- I would take Simmons, or trade down if I could get a good deal. If Simmons is taken before we pick instead of Brown, I would sprint to the podium and take Brown. Because I think the most ideal scenario where value meets need is Brown at #9.
Is Chase Young really worth spending multiple first round picks on?
Right now, picking at 9 seems like the best option and I think the only reason for moving up might be to jump one or two spots to grab someone like Brown or Okudah (if either fall that far).
(03-04-2020, 10:28 AM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Is Chase Young really worth spending multiple first round picks on?
Right now, picking at 9 seems like the best option and I think the only reason for moving up might be to jump one or two spots to grab someone like Brown or Okudah (if either fall that far).
I would trade up for Tua.
(03-04-2020, 11:17 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-04-2020, 10:28 AM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Is Chase Young really worth spending multiple first round picks on?
Right now, picking at 9 seems like the best option and I think the only reason for moving up might be to jump one or two spots to grab someone like Brown or Okudah (if either fall that far).
I would trade up for Tua.
I wouldn't.
But if they were going to trade up early I would think the only reason would be for a QB.
I don't see this team trading up in RD1. With Ngakoue wanting out of here though I could see a few scenarios where they could potentially trade with the Giants or Dolphins.
With the Giants I wouldn't mind the 36th overall selection, the 111th selection & hopefully a future 2nd RD selection. Staying with the Giants I also wouldn't mind a scenario where we trade them Ngakoue and swap our 9th selection for their 4th selection and still gain their 111th selection.
With the Dolphins I wouldn't mind the 26th overall selection & 70th overall selection.
I am not sure what else they'll be aiming to do in this draft. With Bouye now traded to Denver for a 4th RD selection you would be inclined to believe that they may be looking to position themselves back up into RD2 or RD3 to grab another player they're high on. The odds of them landing two quality starters or depth players in the same round seem slim. Especially in RD4.
If we can get a first for Yan we have 3 first rounders this draft. That's 3 guaranteed starters and a chance at having a really good core for this rebuild.
Stand pat with 3 firsts and get our team back on track. Brown/Kinlaw, Simmons, Diggs/Gladney, Becton/Wirfs... there's just too much talent to use multiple picks to move up for Chase Young, imo.
(03-04-2020, 01:38 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]If we can get a first for Yan we have 3 first rounders this draft. That's 3 guaranteed starters and a chance at having a really good core for this rebuild.
Stand pat with 3 firsts and get our team back on track. Brown/Kinlaw, Simmons, Diggs/Gladney, Becton/Wirfs... there's just too much talent to use multiple picks to move up for Chase Young, imo.
Exactly
Here's another spanner to throw in the works - I don't think we'll get a first round pick for Ngakoue.
He might think he's the best pass rusher in the league, but we're going to find the league disagrees with that.
(03-05-2020, 05:38 AM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another spanner to throw in the works - I don't think we'll get a first round pick for Ngakoue.
He might think he's the best pass rusher in the league, but we're going to find the league disagrees with that.
Lol
Everyone thinks they're the best at their position man.
(03-05-2020, 05:38 AM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another spanner to throw in the works - I don't think we'll get a first round pick for Ngakoue.
He might think he's the best pass rusher in the league, but we're going to find the league disagrees with that.
Pssh... If we're not getting a first for him I'm forcing him to play here on the tag and then tagging him again next year.
Play on the tag or sit out.
(03-05-2020, 05:38 AM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another spanner to throw in the works - I don't think we'll get a first round pick for Ngakoue.
He might think he's the best pass rusher in the league, but we're going to find the league disagrees with that.
(03-05-2020, 09:25 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2020, 05:38 AM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another spanner to throw in the works - I don't think we'll get a first round pick for Ngakoue.
He might think he's the best pass rusher in the league, but we're going to find the league disagrees with that.
Lol
Everyone thinks they're the best at their position man.
(03-05-2020, 11:15 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2020, 05:38 AM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Here's another spanner to throw in the works - I don't think we'll get a first round pick for Ngakoue.
He might think he's the best pass rusher in the league, but we're going to find the league disagrees with that.
Pssh... If we're not getting a first for him I'm forcing him to play here on the tag and then tagging him again next year.
Play on the tag or sit out.
If the report I read earlier is true, Seattle is supposedly offering their #1 this year and to swap 2nd round picks fo Yan.
Another version of the rumor is listed here.
https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2020/3/4/2...ck-ngakoue
Even though the Arizona Cardinals appear to have a need at RT, with them recently signing LT DJ Humphries to a multi-year contract extension, I think the chances of them drafting an Offensive Tackle with pick # 8 have lessened. Especially, with likely good options at other positions available for them with pick # 8. Of course they could trade down, with another team jumping ahead of the Jaguars for an Offensive Tackle.