Quote:When was has throwing motion ever good? Pretty sure it has been talked about even before he became a Jag. I don't care if he throws it underhanded as long as the play is executed!
If it were possible, you should watch him throw in last year's preseason.
Quote:If it were possible, you should watch him throw in last year's preseason.
I've seen every game there is and quite a few practices. He has never been a technically sound thrower. Yes, he has made a few good looking throws, but that is not a very large sample. Even just this year he had a beauty to Thomas in the endzone, but here we are talking about his throwing motion.
Quote:I've seen every game there is and quite a few practices. He has never been a technically sound thrower. Yes, he has made a few good looking throws, but that is not a very large sample. Even just this year he had a beauty to Thomas in the endzone, but here we are talking about his throwing motion.
You watched every game, etc, so think back to last year's scrimmage and preseason. You have to recall how much better his throwing looked from his rookie season in these games. His passes were so much crisper and precise, and surely you recall how in that preseason he put up long drives while converting virtually every third down. What I recall as well, though, is how obvious it was on a few of his really deep throws when he'd revert back to his rookie throwing motion with the long, drawn out wind-up we're seeing now. What was different, however, is that in those few cases of him reverting back, it was so obvious compared to his new motion, and for that matter, to his improved overall mechanics as the team had been working on his footwork as well.
I hear what you're saying that he's never been a player to use as an example in a textbook, but going into the regular season last year, he was getting there. During the season he was doing so well that nobody thought to question anything to do with his mechanics.
Quote:You watched every game, etc, so think back to last year's scrimmage and preseason. You have to recall how much better his throwing looked from his rookie season in these games. His passes were so much crisper and precise, and surely you recall how in that preseason he put up long drives while converting virtually every third down. What I recall as well, though, is how obvious it was on a few of his really deep throws when he'd revert back to his rookie throwing motion with the long, drawn out wind-up we're seeing now. What was different, however, is that in those few cases of him reverting back, it was so obvious compared to his new motion, and for that matter, to his improved overall mechanics as the team had been working on his footwork as well.
I hear what you're saying that he's never been a player to use as an example in a textbook, but going into the regular season last year, he was getting there. During the season he was doing so well that nobody thought to question anything to do with his mechanics.
No, completely understand where you're coming from. But take the "fixed" mechanics into context. Under no pressure in the pocket and basic coverage. He has more time to go through progressions and he can concentrate on mechanics. While I'm sure there are things that he can put to muscle memory, I just don't believe he will ever completely evolve from the way he throws and plays the game. I'll admit, he did look sharper in preseason, but that is preseason and there are a lot of missing variable when compared to regular season and for whatever reason, he was stepping into throws with a solid base.
@marcsesslerNFL Jaguars defense not the issue vs. Ravens. The offense is out of sync. Weird seeing Bortles wobble throws he hit as a rookie. Needs coaching.
Quote:@marcsesslerNFL Jaguars defense not the issue vs. Ravens. The offense is out of sync. Weird seeing Bortles wobble throws he hit as a rookie. Needs coaching.
Well I think over 91% of us can agree that he won't be coached up by anyone on this staff.
Quote:@marcsesslerNFL Jaguars defense not the issue vs. Ravens. The offense is out of sync. Weird seeing Bortles wobble throws he hit as a rookie. Needs coaching.
Needs coaching lol. Everyone sees it but our front office.
Quote:@marcsesslerNFL Jaguars defense not the issue vs. Ravens. The offense is out of sync. Weird seeing Bortles wobble throws he hit as a rookie. Needs coaching.
How is it "weird seeing Bortles wobble throws" if you actually watch him? He's always had the wobble. ..even as a rookie.
Quote:How is it "weird seeing Bortles wobble throws" if you actually watch him? He's always had the wobble. ..even as a rookie.
At UCF, too.
Quote:How is it "weird seeing Bortles wobble throws" if you actually watch him? He's always had the wobble. ..even as a rookie.
Literally take the worst traits from Favre (decision making), Peyton (average arm/wobblers), and Tebow (mechanics) and you have yourself Blake Bortles.
Quote:Literally take the worst traits from Favre (decision making), Peyton (average arm/wobblers), and Tebow (mechanics) and you have yourself Blake Bortles.
If you put together a stick and a wet noodle you'd have yourself the spitting image of Teddy Bridgewater.
I wonder if losing Frank Scelfo had anything to do with this regression. He's a pretty good QB coach and I know Blake thought highly of him. I also thought Scelfo a fine job with Bortles in his rookie season until his mechanics began to unwind as the season progressed and he couldn't focus solely on improving them. Last season his throwing motion seemed to shorten a bit and his footwork had definitely improved. Hackett has a solid reputation as well, but perhaps Scelfo was better at teaching Blake.
Quote:I wonder if losing Frank Scelfo had anything to do with this regression. He's a pretty good QB coach and I know Blake thought highly of him. I also thought Scelfo a fine job with Bortles in his rookie season until his mechanics began to unwind as the season progressed and he couldn't focus solely on improving them. Last season his throwing motion seemed to shorten a bit and his footwork had definitely improved. Hackett has a solid reputation as well, but perhaps Scelfo was better at teaching Blake.
Didn't he say recently in a presser that he's remained in contact with Frank, or was that someone else?
Quote:Literally take the worst traits from Favre (decision making), Peyton (average arm/wobblers), and Tebow (mechanics) and you have yourself Blake Bortles.
This would essentialy make Bortles the worst QB of all time. Don't be an idiot.
Quote:Coaching
Blake has all the same coaches his season he had last year, when his passing statistics were ranked in the top five. How can you blame coaching?
Quote:Needs coaching lol. Everyone sees it but our front office.
Just a couple more years
Quote:Didn't he say recently in a presser that he's remained in contact with Frank, or was that someone else?
I haven't watched any of the pressers in their entirety recently, so he very well could have said that.
Jameis Winston has a weird throwing motion but nobody complains about him?
His motion will need to be corrected if he wants to improve as a QB.
Those long wind up QBs rarely end up being successful as NFL QBs.
I really can't think of a really successful long wind up QB, can anybody else name one or 2?
Quote:His motion will need to be corrected if he wants to improve as a QB.
Those long wind up QBs rarely end up being successful as NFL QBs.
I really can't think of a really successful long wind up QB, can anybody else name one or 2?
I'm thinking Terry Bradshaw had a very long motion, although he'd drop back further to help buy time.