(04-09-2020, 01:46 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-09-2020, 08:34 AM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]With the hoard of pro-caliber WRs in this draft, no team is going to give up a decent draft pick for Keelan Cole. He's a 4th or 5th WR on most rosters and doesn't contribute anything meaningful on special teams.
He looked good on his few kickoff returns last year.
I like Cole a lot, but a 4th in this draft is very tempting.
As a Gator fan I watched the Orange Bowl against Virginia. Virginia had a receiver, Hasise Dubois, who tore up the Gator's secondary. He also went over 1000 yards receiving last year, with ZERO drops, so it wasn't just the one game. I expected him to be rated in the top ten draft prospects, but the only list I've seen him in has him at #64. If there are 63 better WRs in this draft then we ought to replace our entire WR corps with our late round picks.
I agree.
Ravens GM on WR depth in this years draft:
Quote:"I think it's just the amount of really good players in the draft at that position. In most years, you probably expect those players to fill up the first three rounds," DeCosta said. "We think this year that there's a really good chance to get a guy that can probably be a starter for you in the fifth round of the draft.”
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"This year, we have a lot of guys highly rated in the first four, five, six rounds," DeCosta said. "It's exciting for a team that needs receivers because you feel like you have an opportunity to really add an impact guy all the way through the draft."
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"Sheer numbers-wise, for whatever reason, this year is kind of stacked," DeCosta said.
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/eri...ifth-round
(04-08-2020, 03:37 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/profootball411/statu...18593?s=21
https://twitter.com/profootball411/statu...07906?s=21
Makes plenty of sense if it is indeed for a 4th. Especially if they have plans on taking a WR early.
This has been one of the strangest careers I can recall a Jaguar player ever having.
He came here as an undrafted FA.
He turned heads during training camp, but dropped some easy passes during preseason games. He made the team his rookie year, but had almost no impact the first half of the season. He came on the second half of the season and looked absolutely dynamite, catching passes for about 750 yards in a little less than half a season's worth of games. The next year, he was marketed by the team as a rising star, then promptly fell off a cliff, almost getting cut. Last year, he came on late once again. This offseason when his contract was done, he was given a second round tender to keep teams from signing him, now he's being shopped in trade. I'm willing to bet anything that if there are no offers for him, he gets released after the draft.
At his best, he has explosive deep speed and can make big plays. But for whatever reasons, he hasn't put it all together for a complete season, or even most of a season.
I don't get it.
Meh. I honestly see him as another Mike Sims-Walker.
This board over values the strangest players sometimes.
“Gotta keep Mickens!”
(04-10-2020, 09:41 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]This board over values the strangest players sometimes.
“Gotta keep Mickens!”
Agreed. Just like Mike Sims-Walker and Cecil Shorts.
Since this draft is so deep in WRs, why would anyone give up a 4th rounder for Keelan Cole? That doesn't make sense. They can use their 4th round pick to get a WR who is as good or better, and pay him 4th round rookie wages.
(04-10-2020, 09:40 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-09-2020, 11:51 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This has been one of the strangest careers I can recall a Jaguar player ever having.
He came here as an undrafted FA.
He turned heads during training camp, but dropped some easy passes during preseason games. He made the team his rookie year, but had almost no impact the first half of the season. He came on the second half of the season and looked absolutely dynamite, catching passes for about 750 yards in a little less than half a season's worth of games. The next year, he was marketed by the team as a rising star, then promptly fell off a cliff, almost getting cut. Last year, he came on late once again. This offseason when his contract was done, he was given a second round tender to keep teams from signing him, now he's being shopped in trade. I'm willing to bet anything that if there are no offers for him, he gets released after the draft.
At his best, he has explosive deep speed and can make big plays. But for whatever reasons, he hasn't put it all together for a complete season, or even most of a season.
I don't get it.
Meh. I honestly see him as another Mike Sims-Walker.
He showed more big play ability than MSW ever did. To me it isn't close.
I don't assert Cole was a Hall of famer or anything, but somehow he should have been more productive than he was.
(04-09-2020, 11:51 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]catching passes for about 750 yards in a little less than half a season's worth of games.
He was merely the main beneficiary of that month long stretch where Fournette got hurt and we threw the league a curveball with the crossers crossers and more crossers offense. He's been nothing more than barely draftable or rosterable before and after that.
(04-10-2020, 09:40 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-09-2020, 11:51 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This has been one of the strangest careers I can recall a Jaguar player ever having.
He came here as an undrafted FA.
He turned heads during training camp, but dropped some easy passes during preseason games. He made the team his rookie year, but had almost no impact the first half of the season. He came on the second half of the season and looked absolutely dynamite, catching passes for about 750 yards in a little less than half a season's worth of games. The next year, he was marketed by the team as a rising star, then promptly fell off a cliff, almost getting cut. Last year, he came on late once again. This offseason when his contract was done, he was given a second round tender to keep teams from signing him, now he's being shopped in trade. I'm willing to bet anything that if there are no offers for him, he gets released after the draft.
At his best, he has explosive deep speed and can make big plays. But for whatever reasons, he hasn't put it all together for a complete season, or even most of a season.
I don't get it.
Meh. I honestly see him as another Mike Sims-Walker.
MSW was a terrific receiver when healthy. He was rarely healthy.
I agree with Bullseye about the strange case of Cole. He was one of the top receivers in the NFL in December 2017, not just among Jags receivers. As far as I know health is not the explanation for the up and down career so far.
He has also looked good as a kick returner. I wonder why he hasn't been used more in that role.
I like Cole as a 4th or 5th WR on the team. That being said, if a team offers a 5th round pick, then you make that trade all day every day. The reason that I say for a 5th round pick is that I seriously doubt that’s team offers up a 4th rounder.
He was always pretty good when he seen the field. The problem was after his good rookie season he was playing pretty good but started having a fumbling issue that cost us a few games in 2018 and then marrone put him in the doghouse for that and he barely saw the field. They started gaining some of the trust back last year and he didn’t fumble and started to get more play time and was producing some plays.
To me I always liked Keelan and thought he was a good wr he made some great plays in our playoff run as a rook most notably the 40 yard dagger against Pitt and the nice back shoulder catch against the pats
(04-10-2020, 09:45 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2020, 09:40 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Meh. I honestly see him as another Mike Sims-Walker.
He showed more big play ability than MSW ever did. To me it isn't close.
I don't assert Cole was a Hall of famer or anything, but somehow he should have been more productive than he was.
Cole's problem is consistency.
He has big games but almost completely disappears for long stretches.
It's like he only excels against certain defensive game plans.
(04-09-2020, 01:46 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-09-2020, 08:34 AM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]With the hoard of pro-caliber WRs in this draft, no team is going to give up a decent draft pick for Keelan Cole. He's a 4th or 5th WR on most rosters and doesn't contribute anything meaningful on special teams.
He looked good on his few kickoff returns last year.
I like Cole a lot, but a 4th in this draft is very tempting.
As a Gator fan I watched the Orange Bowl against Virginia. Virginia had a receiver, Hasise Dubois, who tore up the Gator's secondary. He also went over 1000 yards receiving last year, with ZERO drops, so it wasn't just the one game. I expected him to be rated in the top ten draft prospects, but the only list I've seen him in has him at #64. If there are 63 better WRs in this draft then we ought to replace our entire WR corps with our late round picks.
On CBS's prospect ratings, Hasise Dubois is the 500th ranked prospect overall and 71st WR. He's got excellent size, but the knock on him is his speed for the NFL. It's a shame for him that he could not run at his pro day, as it was cancelled. Yea, this WR class is deeeeeep.
If a team traded a 4th for Cole then that would be crazy. I’ve said it before, I’m a huge Caldwell supporter.
I think we’re gonna sign maybe 1 WR that gets cut and we’re gonna draft a stud at WR and TE.
(04-10-2020, 10:59 AM)PAJag Wrote: [ -> ]To me I always liked Keelan and thought he was a good wr he made some great plays in our playoff run as a rook most notably the 40 yard dagger against Pitt and the nice back shoulder catch against the pats
The one handed OBJ type of catch was nice too, along with his in-stride catch vs Seattle.
(04-10-2020, 09:41 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]This board over values the strangest players sometimes.
“Gotta keep Mickens!”
Who, exactly, is overvaluing Cole?
Es I think Dave is probably taking one or two receivers in this draft, thus it may make sense to free up some room by trading Cole. You have to assume that Marquise Lee is going to be cut, but when? Maybe the plan is to wait until after the draft to see what we end up with before we clear out anybody just for the heck of it.
WRs like Keelan Cole are a dime a dozen in the NFL
Yeah highly unlikely he will draw any type of trade value
(04-11-2020, 10:08 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah highly unlikely he will draw any type of trade value
No injury history and some pretty decent highlights the last few years. I beg to differ. I’d trade a 6th or a 7th for him. He’s a good number 3 option