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(04-25-2020, 08:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If good compensation never comes to the table, play them.

I don't buy too much into the locker room cancer angle.  There are players to take their place in the starting lineup. They either play or get left behind and it doesn't have to be some doom and gloom scenario where these two turn a host of young players against the Jags staff and F.O.

 It's not like this is the first time a player trade didn't work out and an athlete played another season in his original location.  Doesn't have to be a big deal, people.

It's not. You're right. At least this happened now instead of mid season. This allows the team to focus on the X's and O's with the coaching staff and installations. 

I don't think it's a cancer with Allen and Chaisson now. And if Ngakoue plays? Great. If he sits? [BLEEP] it. I don't think Fournette has a choice. RB is not nearly as valuable as DE and he's nowhere near the level that CMC has been. 

He's not getting a fat paycheck here nor anywhere else. If he's smart. He plays his [BLEEP] off and hits the market next year with a chance to sign a prove it deal on a better team.

If Yann comes back after a few games he's going to have the same mysterious injury that Ramsey pretended to have. Sit him for the Year. Mak e him lose mi,lions. Serves him right.
When did the inmates take over the asylum?

(04-25-2020, 08:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If good compensation never comes to the table, play them.

I don't buy too much into the locker room cancer angle.  There are players to take their place in the starting lineup. They either play or get left behind and it doesn't have to be some doom and gloom scenario where these two turn a host of young players against the Jags staff and F.O.

 It's not like this is the first time a player trade didn't work out and an athlete played another season in his original location.  Doesn't have to be a big deal, people.

Sensible take from one of the less whiny posters.

Hey, do you guys remember there was this diva on an underachieving team, who once called a radio show with an exclusive.  He had decided that he wanted to be traded, went behind the team's back, and called up a friend to air his grievances on national radio.

His name was Kobe Bryant, and it was in 2007.  Instead, they talked him out of it, and it worked out really really well for both team and player.  Let's see what happens this week.  My guess is there's still time to work it out.  As for Fournette, hopefully he'll act like a professional.

Yan will be auditioning for his next contract next year so little or no chance he sits out. He needs every big play he can get next year to get that $20 M per year contract he's seeking. LF is a good RB. Not great, but he'd be a starter on at least a few other teams. He'll hit free agency next year so he's got an incentive to play hard this year. I don't think the Jags cut either of them for nothing. The team is already devoid of talent and they need all of the playmakers they can get. Yan and LF are still valuable contributors and it's the difference between 2 wins and 4 wins next year.

(04-25-2020, 08:50 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2020, 08:44 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette most likely gets cut...saves 4 M and while he put up stats I think the impact of his departure won't be as big for on the field results.

Yan has basically started a pissing match with his twitter outburst.  I think just like Ramsey...Khan/Caldwell will hold onto him until they get good compensation.

I'm not familiar with the new CBA but thought it basically punishes tagged players for sitting out and I'm pretty certain that if he doesn't show up he doesn't accrue a year and we do this whole thing again next year.

If Yan really wants to leave, he is going to have to take a nice paycut for the team he is traded to like 13M per year.  He has hurt his stock/value tremendously.

The problem is that he will acquire a phantom injury like Ramsey so he can continue to get his paycheck and accrue his year.

And all that does is kill his stock/value anymore.

If you are most likely getting 15M per year as it stands and pull that crap good luck getting your 20M per year in 2021.

Fournette and Minshew is going to be very awkward situation.

I wonder how Fournette would like it, if Minshew Rallied for Zeke Elliot to come here.

Trade them for 7th round and cash for stach to stash in his pocket chilling in his yacht.

(04-25-2020, 09:30 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Trade them for 7th round and cash for stach to stash in his pocket chilling in his yacht.

Honestly this season is setting up to be the season of stuck in neutral. We are back to year 1 David Caldwell with the few talented players on other teams. They are trying once again to put together a defense. The coaching is suspect and the front office is suspect. Everyone has a built in excuse to milk the COVID restrictions for a do over. I don't want them in the locker room because it will accelerate the obvious that this coaching staff is headed by a bad Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator. They are playing Disgruntled Player whack a mole. TC was a pain in the locker room's rear end but ousting him has had zero overall impact.

If we could see some progress on offense, I would at least feel like Gruden was a nice pick up and Minshew was developing.

And people thought we could get a 1st and a 3rd LOL.

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(04-25-2020, 09:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette and Minshew is going to be very awkward situation.  

I wonder how Fournette would like it, if Minshew Rallied for Zeke Elliot to come here.

I honestly doubt it. Minshew doesn't seem to be that kind of person, I bet he already moved on from that.

(04-25-2020, 09:48 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]And people thought we could get a 1st and a 3rd LOL.

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(04-25-2020, 09:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette and Minshew is going to be very awkward situation.  

I wonder how Fournette would like it, if Minshew Rallied for Zeke Elliot to come here.

I honestly doubt it. Minshew doesn't seem to be that kind of person, I bet he already moved on from that.

Minshew is the type of guy who would use that for even more motivation.

Can we all agree the ideal realistic scenario is Yann holds out of Training Camp, reports for the season and plays well enough before the trade deadline to get us something of value (something he wants and we want) with Leo playing great and when we let him walk we get a 3rd or 4th rd comp pick (assuming no one wants to trade a 4th or better for him in-season)?

(04-25-2020, 09:08 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2020, 08:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If good compensation never comes to the table, play them.

I don't buy too much into the locker room cancer angle.  There are players to take their place in the starting lineup. They either play or get left behind and it doesn't have to be some doom and gloom scenario where these two turn a host of young players against the Jags staff and F.O.

 It's not like this is the first time a player trade didn't work out and an athlete played another season in his original location.  Doesn't have to be a big deal, people.

Sensible take from one of the less whiny posters.

Hey, do you guys remember there was this diva on an underachieving team, who once called a radio show with an exclusive.  He had decided that he wanted to be traded, went behind the team's back, and called up a friend to air his grievances on national radio.

His name was Kobe Bryant, and it was in 2007.  Instead, they talked him out of it, and it worked out really really well for both team and player.  Let's see what happens this week.  My guess is there's still time to work it out.  As for Fournette, hopefully he'll act like a professional.

People seem to forget this is how most good players act. If they are in horrible situations they want out. If we were winning, I highly doubt Jalen and Yannick would of pulled this. Winning solves everything. People need to understand that if this team doesn't start winning, the new crop of good players will do the same thing. We will be stuck in the same situation a couple years from now with Allen, if this team doesn't get its [BLEEP] together.

Yan, though he hasn't acted like it, is a professional when it comes to game day. He will sign his tender and then play his [BLEEP] off for his last year here. I am not worried at all about Fournette. He is essentially in his contract year, so he is going to play his [BLEEP] off.

(04-25-2020, 09:10 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Yan will be auditioning for his next contract next year so little or no chance he sits out.  He needs every big play he can get next year to get that $20 M per year contract he's seeking.  LF is a good RB. Not great, but he'd be a starter on at least a few other teams.  He'll hit free agency next year so he's got an incentive to play hard this year.  I don't think the Jags cut either of them for nothing.  The team is already devoid of talent and they need all of the playmakers they can get.  Yan and LF are still valuable contributors and it's the difference between 2 wins and 4 wins next year.

2 wins gets Lawrence or Fields.  With 4 wins they lose #1 or #2 draft spot.

They'll both play and both play hard. Yann wants a big deal and he won't get it sulking and quitting on the team. If one of them is getting traded I think they'll find a suitor for Fournette.

The last CBA made it harder for players under contract to hold out. The new CBA, if ratified, would make it even harder.

Per a league source, the new labor deal as explained to agents during their annual meeting at the Scouting Combine includes several devices that will disincentivize players under contract from missing training camp.

First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $40,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.

And forget about $40,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on town or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.

As we’ve said in the past, players operate under two contracts. And it’s the broader contract between league and union that dictates the penalties for violating the terms of the specific contract between team and player. The broader contract would be getting a lot less forgiving, under the terms of the proposed labor deal.

(04-25-2020, 11:17 PM)BamboozledAgain Wrote: [ -> ]The last CBA made it harder for players under contract to hold out. The new CBA, if ratified, would make it even harder.

Per a league source, the new labor deal as explained to agents during their annual meeting at the Scouting Combine includes several devices that will disincentivize players under contract from missing training camp.

First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $40,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.

And forget about $40,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on town or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.

As we’ve said in the past, players operate under two contracts. And it’s the broader contract between league and union that dictates the penalties for violating the terms of the specific contract between team and player. The broader contract would be getting a lot less forgiving, under the terms of the proposed labor deal.

Nice insight. Appreciate the breakdown!

(04-25-2020, 10:19 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Yan, though he hasn't acted like it, is a professional when it comes to game day. He will sign his tender and then play his [BLEEP] off for his last year here. I am not worried at all about Fournette. He is essentially in his contract year, so he is going to play his [BLEEP] off.

That is being overly optimistic. I don't see this happening at all.

Not sure we lose or gain much regardless with what happens with Fournette. 

If Yan really is stuck on $20m or nothing, he'll need to play and probably need to have his best season.