(05-19-2020, 12:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 11:52 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so you really didn't mean what you said then. As usual.
No.
Just like on standardized, multiple choice tests, sometimes more than one answer is true, but one of them is the best answer.
How did Rosenstein become deputy AG?
A) Rosenstein was a holdover from the Obama administration.
B) Trump appointed Rosenstein.
C) Trump promoted Rosenstein.
C) is the best, and therefore correct, answer.
A and B are true, but would be marked wrong.
Oh, so he wasn't a holdover then. I see your point.
Since distinctions are suddenly important to you, let's see if you can see where you went wrong in an earlier discussion:
Me: It should never be the goal of the FBI to get someone fired from their job. It's outside their purview.
You: The FBI didn't get a person fired.
(05-19-2020, 12:35 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Since distinctions are suddenly important to you, let's see if you can see where you went wrong in an earlier discussion:
Me: It should never be the goal of the FBI to get someone fired from their job. It's outside their purview.
You: The FBI didn't get a person fired.
Right, I'm trying to tell you that you're going off topic, presenting a red herring. You're talking about a desire that one or two people in the FBI had, that didn't pan out.
But sure, let's go off topic and discuss this minor point.
Suppose you're right. Something happened that should never happen. What's the remedy? Suppose the remedy is, the agent is fired if they have this type of bad motive - even if the bad motive causes permissible action. If that remedy is established, do you think agents continue to leave behind little handwritten notes documenting their bad motives? So how will we know they have bad motives? What are we even accomplishing here?
Those people get punished, which is what it appears Barr is trying to accomplish. You know. The point.
(05-19-2020, 01:46 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Those people get punished, which is what it appears Barr is trying to accomplish. You know. The point.
Does punishing the agent who left behind the handwritten note affect Flynn's case? No, right?
Does this cause Obama or Biden to face subpoenas? No, right?
I mean, I see your point, but don't you see your point is trivial?
Dude. If you were any more dense, you'd start collecting planets.
Gabe asked a question, "Do we believe Barr," which one would assume has to do with Barr saying Obama and Biden not being the subject of the investigation. To which I replied that I believe him. I think it would be a fool's errand to go after Obama and Biden without extensive evidence that they ordered a takedown on Trump. I want to wait to see where the evidence goes before casting accusations on the Obama Administration (including Biden). Even then, I don't think it would be a wise move go after them criminally, because the nation is divided right now. There's no way for it to appear like anything other than a hit.
Instead, I focused on the intelligence agencies, and listed "getting him fired" as my biggest concern to date. Something I deem punishable, regardless of anything else. When you punish agents who are WILLING to abuse their power, it could act as a deterrent to those who might consider doing so in the future. That is one of the roles of Justice, and it would make sense that this is the primary subject of Barr's investigation, possibly extending up to Clapper and Comey. I couldn't have said it any clearer. So, not only did I answer the question asked by Gabe, I gave it context.
You responded out of context. You're acting like I was using it to prove Obama orchestrated this hit on Trump.
(05-19-2020, 02:23 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Dude. If you were any more dense, you'd start collecting planets.
Gabe asked a question, "Do we believe Barr," which one would assume has to do with Barr saying Obama and Biden not being the subject of the investigation. To which I replied that I believe him. I think it would be a fool's errand to go after Obama and Biden without extensive evidence that they ordered a takedown on Trump. I want to wait to see where the evidence goes before casting accusations on the Obama Administration (including Biden). Even then, I don't think it would be a wise move go after them criminally, because the nation is divided right now. There's no way for it to appear like anything other than a hit.
Instead, I focused on the intelligence agencies, and listed "getting him fired" as my biggest concern to date. Something I deem punishable, regardless of anything else. When you punish agents who are WILLING to abuse their power, it could act as a deterrent to those who might consider doing so in the future. That is one of the roles of Justice, and it would make sense that this is the primary subject of Barr's investigation, possibly extending up to Clapper and Comey. I couldn't have said it any clearer. So, not only did I answer the question asked by Gabe, I gave it context.
You responded out of context. You're acting like I was using it to prove Obama orchestrated this hit on Trump.
Sure. You were answering Gabe's question. You agree with Barr. I was not answering Gabe's question. I was telling you I think you're wrong. I disagree with Barr about this.
So you think Barr should investigate Obama and BIden.
(05-19-2020, 02:46 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]So you think Barr should investigate Obama and BIden.
Well yes, but also no. And not really not yes, but maybe also.
(05-19-2020, 02:46 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]So you think Barr should investigate Obama and BIden.
Barr said two things.
He said Biden and Obama should not be investigated about this, but others in the FBI at that time should be.
I agree with Barr about the first, but disagree about the second.
I think it's best to leave all of this in the past.
Comey was already fired. So were others.
Obviously, there might be probable cause in the future for a sitting President to investigate a Presidential candidate. With Comey fired, there are only two questions about 2016 that are still worth asking:
1) was the investigation kept proportional to what was suspected, or was it made huge so as to harass and discourage the opposing campaign? Did the investigation become a mere tool of oppression?
2) did any information from the investigation get diverted to another political campaign? Did it become a spying effort?
(05-19-2020, 03:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 02:46 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]So you think Barr should investigate Obama and BIden.
Barr said two things.
He said Biden and Obama should not be investigated about this, but others in the FBI at that time should be.
I agree with Barr about the first, but disagree about the second.
I think it's best to leave all of this in the past.
Comey was already fired. So were others.
People should be held accountable. Period. Because when they're not it allows others to pretty much know they can get away with similar or worse. Comey and others being fired is not enough.
(05-19-2020, 03:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 02:46 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]So you think Barr should investigate Obama and BIden.
Barr said two things.
He said Biden and Obama should not be investigated about this, but others in the FBI at that time should be.
I agree with Barr about the first, but disagree about the second.
I think it's best to leave all of this in the past.
Comey was already fired. So were others.
(05-19-2020, 02:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 02:46 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]So you think Barr should investigate Obama and BIden.
Well yes, but also no. And not really not yes, but maybe also.
Nailed it.
I have bad knees, so gonna have to pass.
(05-19-2020, 05:56 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 03:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Barr said two things.
He said Biden and Obama should not be investigated about this, but others in the FBI at that time should be.
I agree with Barr about the first, but disagree about the second.
I think it's best to leave all of this in the past.
Comey was already fired. So were others.
(05-19-2020, 02:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Well yes, but also no. And not really not yes, but maybe also.
Nailed it.
He didn't nail it at all.
I broke the question into two parts, and answered yes to one part, no to the other.
That's allowed.
People agree in part, but disagree in other part all the time.
SkullRebelAlliance said I would be wishy-washy and unclear. I was neither. He said I would contradict myself. I did not.
If you can't see that you're either stupid, or failing to engage me with your mind. Either way, that would be your problem, not mine.
A member of Ukraine's parliament leaked the Joe Biden calls to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko detailing Biden's scheme to get his son's prosecutor fired and the subsequent delivery of $1Billion in taxpayer funds in a classic QUID-PRO-QUO scheme.
(05-19-2020, 01:49 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Is mikesez J Dub?
Her boyfriend.
(05-19-2020, 07:55 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 01:49 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Is mikesez J Dub?
Her boyfriend.
I wonder what she would have been like in real life.
I don't think I've ever met someone quite like her, but odds are I actually have and didn't realize...
I have two friends who are prosecutors.
I've talked to them about this.
They do not consider it unprofessional at all to hate the accused person and wish him all sorts of curses. To be fired, at least! To lose his family. To never see the light of day as a free man. To die.
Certain parts of the court procedure may hide this fact. An indictment is supposed to be a very bland document, written in a neutral tone. Questions to witnesses are also supposed to be as cordial as possible.
But they have told me, the truth of their feelings is more like the opening and closing arguments, which are often emotional and confrontational.