(06-10-2020, 08:30 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2020, 07:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Buffalo police were super-perceptive the other day when they resisted a fiendish attack from an Antifa provocateur who was disguised as a 75 year old cancer patient. Don't believe me? Just ask our president of law and order! He is the only one we can count on to perceive threats where others see only good intentions.
Okay, here's what it looked like to me: the police were trying to clear the street, he was refusing to move, and a police officer gave him a fairly gentle push, which in most circumstances would cause the pushee to take step backward, but this guy tripped and fell backwards and hit his head on the concrete.
It didn't look like that much of a push to me, and certainly not one designed to injure someone.
You left out the part where he was trying to intercept police transmissions to pass back to home base.
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(06-10-2020, 09:15 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: SphericalCavernousIrishdraughthorse-size_restricted.gif]](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SphericalCavernousIrishdraughthorse-size_restricted.gif)
Nobody did it better than Floppy Divac. #respect
(06-09-2020, 07:39 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It is even more dumb to think your POTUS would make a comment like this without evidence.
Stay tuned, you anarchy supporters.
Evidence = Shooting from the hip based on Fox News comments. He needs to rely more on his investigative agents and less on Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham.
(06-10-2020, 09:30 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2020, 07:39 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It is even more dumb to think your POTUS would make a comment like this without evidence.
Stay tuned, you anarchy supporters.
Evidence = Shooting from the hip based on Fox News comments. He needs to rely more on his investigative agents and less on Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham.
Sometimes good old fashioned common sense and observation are enough.
You know deep down this guy was up to no good. You just won't admit it.
(06-10-2020, 09:15 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
It's plausible he intentionally flopped, but he also cracked his skull in the process.
Even if he did flop, is it appropriate for the President to comment on it at all? If he must comment, shouldn't he say something like, "we never want to see police use excessive force and we are watching local officials as they figure out what went wrong here, if this was excessive force or something else."
Why should a narrative go unchallenged? Who else is going to publicly broadcast a lie that was told? You think any news agency is going to retract it? I don't know what's true or not. I'm waiting for the evidence, but your reasoning is so terrible.
If there is evidence that comes out that shows this dude faked it for a photo op, is anyone that condemned the police or Trump going to change their tune? It's just going to be "reasoned" away like the statement above.
(06-09-2020, 09:13 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2020, 08:13 PM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ]Not really. He looked pretty harmless with 75 year old bones, and now a cracked egg. Admit it was pretty ugly, he did nothing to deserve it, and evidently wasn't even worthy of a band aide. Could have been your grandpa, Not that you would care if it were (would you?).
RED: He was impeding the progress of officers who were enforcing a curfew, and pushing his cell phone at an officer in a manner that implied an attempt to intercept police transmissions via bluetooth, something taught to foreign agents (see picture below). Something illegal.
GREEN: He was treated by medics following the police line seconds after they passed. Funny how the Marxist media doesn't show that part.
Did the cops use to much force when pushing him away. In retrospect yes, but it's hard to calibrate just how much force to use in such a situation. It's not like they've had years of practice pushing away old men who refuse to move when ordered.
LOL
I support reform in our police departments to vet out the [BLEEP] morons that need "years of training" to know they don't have to shove 75 year old men to the ground in the first place.
Anybody with eyeballs in their head can see those cops could have handled that situation much more calmly.
How about training cops that they don't have to shove ANYONE to the ground with out just cause.
The 41 charges of assault being pursued by prosecutors against NYPD officers that have come during these recent protests stand as justification for the protests, and this Buffalo incident is yet another example of cops misusing the trust placed in them with the badge.
These protests were intended to highlight past events, but they are also revealing that excessive use of force and brutality are likely even more widespread than previously believed in several of our police forces.
Some quotes in here from a few people who volunteered with Martin Gugino at three different Catholic charities he supported.
https://wordandway.org/2020/06/10/martin...iends-say/
(06-10-2020, 12:32 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Why should a narrative go unchallenged? Who else is going to publicly broadcast a lie that was told? You think any news agency is going to retract it? I don't know what's true or not. I'm waiting for the evidence, but your reasoning is so terrible.
If there is evidence that comes out that shows this dude faked it for a photo op, is anyone that condemned the police or Trump going to change their tune? It's just going to be "reasoned" away like the statement above.
There are always stragglers, but, yes, some people will change their tune if new and surprising evidence comes out.
Your reasoning is terrible because you are hedging based on behavior you imagine from people you imagine as your enemies. I mean, it's not reasoning so much as storytelling for you, isn't it? And why would you care if these enemies admit their folly? "I will persist in folly because my enemies also persist." Listen to youself!
Gotta do better than "he put his phone up to the cops' waistband." Because, come on. Grab hand, take phone, make arrest. No shove. Right?
(06-10-2020, 01:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2020, 12:32 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Why should a narrative go unchallenged? Who else is going to publicly broadcast a lie that was told? You think any news agency is going to retract it? I don't know what's true or not. I'm waiting for the evidence, but your reasoning is so terrible.
If there is evidence that comes out that shows this dude faked it for a photo op, is anyone that condemned the police or Trump going to change their tune? It's just going to be "reasoned" away like the statement above.
There are always stragglers, but, yes, some people will change their tune if new and surprising evidence comes out.
Your reasoning is terrible because you are hedging based on behavior you imagine from people you imagine as your enemies. I mean, it's not reasoning so much as storytelling for you, isn't it? And why would you care if these enemies admit their folly? "I will persist in folly because my enemies also persist." Listen to youself!
Gotta do better than "he put his phone up to the cops' waistband." Because, come on. Grab hand, take phone, make arrest. No shove. Right?
If he is arrested, he is screaming they arrested a 75yr old man. Cops were also probably told not to arrest people unless they had to. They were moving as a line to clear the crowd. This guy tries to touch the cop around the waist, where a gun could be (not sure if the police were armed or not), so he is lucky to not have been viewed as an immediate threat that needed to be put on the ground and immobilized immediately. While unfortunate, you can't touch cops or act like you are. I don't care if you are protesting or not, you cannot advance towards a cop.
It is completely different if he is sitting there and protesting, but he is not. He is not with other protestors. He is trying to stop or delay the cops, plus whatever he was doing with his phone or other device.
(06-10-2020, 01:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2020, 09:13 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]RED: He was impeding the progress of officers who were enforcing a curfew, and pushing his cell phone at an officer in a manner that implied an attempt to intercept police transmissions via bluetooth, something taught to foreign agents (see picture below). Something illegal.
GREEN: He was treated by medics following the police line seconds after they passed. Funny how the Marxist media doesn't show that part.
Did the cops use to much force when pushing him away. In retrospect yes, but it's hard to calibrate just how much force to use in such a situation. It's not like they've had years of practice pushing away old men who refuse to move when ordered.
LOL
I support reform in our police departments to vet out the [BLEEP] morons that need "years of training" to know they don't have to shove 75 year old men to the ground in the first place.
Anybody with eyeballs in their head can see those cops could have handled that situation much more calmly.
How about training cops that they don't have to shove ANYONE to the ground with out just cause.
The 41 charges of assault being pursued by prosecutors against NYPD officers that have come during these recent protests stand as justification for the protests, and this Buffalo incident is yet another example of cops misusing the trust placed in them with the badge.
These protests were intended to highlight past events, but they are also revealing that excessive use of force and brutality are likely even more widespread than previously believed in several of our police forces.
Some quotes in here from a few people who volunteered with Martin Gugino at three different Catholic charities he supported.
https://wordandway.org/2020/06/10/martin...iends-say/
Keep repeating your lies. He was pushed backwards in the direction he should have been going. He lost his balance and fell down, he wasn't pushed down.
Yeah, this thread is everything I needed to know about cognitive dissonance. Jesus Christ, people. So much spin from the Trump crowd I feel like I'm on a Tilt'o'Whirl.
(06-09-2020, 07:39 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It is even more dumb to think your POTUS would make a comment like this without evidence.
Stay tuned, you anarchy supporters.
u mad bro?
(06-10-2020, 03:13 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]Keep repeating your lies. He was pushed backwards in the direction he should have been going. He lost his balance and fell down, he wasn't pushed down.
Which is it, slick?
(06-10-2020, 03:23 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2020, 07:39 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It is even more dumb to think your POTUS would make a comment like this without evidence.
Stay tuned, you anarchy supporters.
u mad bro?
(06-10-2020, 03:13 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]Keep repeating your lies. He was pushed backwards in the direction he should have been going. He lost his balance and fell down, he wasn't pushed down.
Which is it, slick?
If you don't understand the difference between "backwards" and "down" I'm afraid I can't help you. Try Merriam Webster.
The bigger story should be why was a man with no injuries in ICU for days? The entire medical service needs to be investigated, and the police who co operated with them and treated it as a real injury. Looks like the famously liberal police and medical people were in cahoots to make Trump look bad
(06-10-2020, 03:26 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2020, 03:23 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]u mad bro?
Which is it, slick?
If you don't understand the difference between "backwards" and "down" I'm afraid I can't help you. Try Merriam Webster.
"He was pushed"
"He wasn't pushed"
If you don't understand the difference between one word and the exact same word, then I'm afraid I can't help you. Please don't vote.
(06-09-2020, 11:02 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2020, 10:55 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]Oddly enough, this isn't really true. I personally know some Trump supporters that are otherwise intelligent. They just fell into the cult mindset because Trump gave them something to believe in. Trump, on the other hand, is a mildly [BLEEP], gibbering buffoon who has trouble constructing even the most basic sentences and has the emotional stability of a prepubescent jilted schoolgirl.
Maybe the Trump supporters you know just respect good old fashioned policy, don't want to see their country turned into Venezuela, and appreciate an America first agenda.
Very cultish.
The second part of your poorly constructed sentence describes the Democratic nominee.
There can't be anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together that takes you seriously. There's a poster on another board I'm on that's a POE. She posts the most outlandish, absurd, Trump-loving nonsense as satire. You sound just like her. Maybe you are a POE. If so, keep up the good work.
Pushed by two cops at the same time, at 75 he doesn't have the back peddle of a 25 year old CB. When you are 75, maybe you will understand the limitations that come with age.
(06-10-2020, 03:26 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2020, 03:23 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]u mad bro?
Which is it, slick?
If you don't understand the difference between "backwards" and "down" I'm afraid I can't help you. Try Merriam Webster.
Here's the point furiously flying way over your head:
They shouldn't have [BLEEP] pushed him ANYWHERE in the first place.
Holy hell. Can you not see or imagine a more effective and efficient (much less non-violent) way of removing that man from the area than shoving him further into the direct path of multiple policemen?
It was completely unnecessary to shove him in the first place. Please stop skipping this point.
Use your brain.
You can tell Trump's accusation against this guy is sound and backed by volumes of evidence based on how eager Senate Republicans were to get in front of a camera and defend it.