(08-25-2020, 09:42 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (08-25-2020, 08:53 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I will, because I still HATE the pick. There was simply no way, he was a top 10 player. Even if he was the 2nd best CB, (which I don't believe he was,) the drop off from from Okudah to Henderson was massive. We had multiple needs on this team. We didn't need to reach for a CB. We could've taken an O-Lineman, D-Lineman, WR, LB or Safety. Mark my words, we will draft a LT in the first round of 2021, as long as we don't package our picks to trade up for a QB. Hopefully it will be with the first of our opening round picks, which would signal that Gardner Minshew is indeed, our QB of the future. If not, the second of our first round picks should fill the slot. I'm rooting for Penei Sewell of Oregon or Liam Eichenberg of Notre Dame.
Okudah is the best CB prospect since Ramsey, he was a top 3 lock since midseason ... of course there's going to be a dropoff. With the departure of Ramsey and Bouye, was CB not a need on this team?!? I'm fine with drafting a LT next year if Cam Robinson doesn't perform this year. I would've been ok with an OT at #9 since I think the Oline as a whole needs a boost, but Henderson is absolutely a top 10 prospect, what cornerbacks did you think were better than him?
I agree Okudah was the best CB prospect since Ramsey, (I had him rated the #2 overall prospect behind Burrow and I believe Okudah will ultimately prove to be better than Ramsey.) As a whole though, this was a weak CB class. I probably wouldn't have taken one in the first round. Yes, CB was a big need, but I don't believe in drafting for need. I take the best overall player on the board, at a position of need and we had plenty of needs. We had guys like Wirfs, Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs and even Kinlaw available that would've been justified as the #9 overall selection. Personally, I was teetering between Wirfs and Jeudy. I would've EASILY taken either one of those guys and been elated. At worst, Wirfs would've been a huge upgrade at the RG position and at best, he had a possibility to be an upgrade at LT. With Jeudy, he would've been the perfect compliment to D.J. Chark. Jeudy has great hands and was one of the best route runners I had seen in years. he could've been the "thunder" to Chark's "lightning."
As for what to do at CB, we aren't competing for the playoffs this year. We are far from it. We're not gonna be very good, especially on defense. All I am hoping for this year is to see if Minshew can be a franchise QB. If he can, that is a huge relief, because I don't wanna have to use both first round picks to try and trade up to get Trevor Lawrence. With the college football season playing out like it will with half the teams not playing, he's the
ONLY QB I would be comfortable taking in round 1. I'd much rather use those first rounders to fill other needs like LT, TE, Safety, CB or adding a pass rushing DT to pair with Hamilton at NT. That all depends on Minshew's success though. If he doesn't pan out, both of those first rounders need to be dealt to trade up and get him.
Can someone explain to me how Henderson is justified as a top 10 pick when he was universally viewed as a one dimensional CB who could cover, but was a terrible tackler? IMO, top 10 selections are elite players with very little flaws in their game. That's not Henderson. He offers little to nothing when it comes to tackling, so he
HAS to make that leap as a strong cover guy in the NFL, in order to not be considered a bust. That's just way too risky IMO. Personally, I saw CB's like Jeff Gladney, Kristian Fulton, Jaylon Johnson (who I was especially high on,) and Michael Ojemudia go later in the draft and I had them rated higher than Henderson, so there were options for the position that didn't require us to reach. Caldwell used his first two picks on players with great athleticism and potential, but not enough college production. He went all in, believing his coaching staff can improve these guys enough to overcome major flaws they showed in college. He's either gonna be viewed as a genius or the guy who's draft busts set us back yet again.
(08-25-2020, 10:00 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-25-2020, 09:42 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Okudah is the best CB prospect since Ramsey, he was a top 3 lock since midseason ... of course there's going to be a dropoff. With the departure of Ramsey and Bouye, was CB not a need on this team?!? I'm fine with drafting a LT next year if Cam Robinson doesn't perform this year. I would've been ok with an OT at #9 since I think the Oline as a whole needs a boost, but Henderson is absolutely a top 10 prospect, what cornerbacks did you think were better than him?
It's really a pointless discussion at the end of the day. There was a bunch of needs this team needed to fill and you simply can't fill them all in one draft.
If they went OL, or WR, or whatever else at #9, there would be people complaining about not taking a CB high enough because it was such a massive need as well. It's a catch-22 no matter how you wanna look at it.
Agreed. That is why I hated reaching on a CB. Massive need or not at CB, you should always take the BAP. In any case, we are stuck with the guys we selected, so this whole discussion is a moot point.