(08-20-2020, 01:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 12:57 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Or I don’t subscribe to team politics. Just because trump is republican doesn’t mean he automatically gets my support, he’s careless in his actions and words and that has real consequences for real people. I said pretty clearly I won’t support socialism via proxy through the Democrats but that doesn’t mean I’ll support crony capitalism via trump either. No politician especially the head of the executive state should be picking winners and losers in a free market. Justify that GOP so much for free market capitalism huh?
Goodyear entered the political arena and Trump slapped them down as he should've. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe you should be voicing your concerns to your company since it was their fault this happened?
Have you not read anything I posted? It wasn’t the company’s policy and it never was. An employee at a manufacturing plant created an unauthorized slide and said this is Goodyear policy. Their policy has always been no political endorsements or activities at work. So how did they create this mess? It was a quick trigger finger by the cancel culture president he fired off boycott before he had the facts.
(08-20-2020, 04:02 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 01:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Goodyear entered the political arena and Trump slapped them down as he should've. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe you should be voicing your concerns to your company since it was their fault this happened?
Have you not read anything I posted? It wasn’t the company’s policy and it never was. An employee at a manufacturing plant created an unauthorized slide and said this is Goodyear policy. Their policy has always been no political endorsements or activities at work. So how did they create this mess? It was a quick trigger finger by the cancel culture president he fired off boycott before he had the facts.
Picking an internet fight before he has the facts?
Trump would be right at home here.
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We've elected an internet troll. It's the simplest explanation.
(08-20-2020, 04:02 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 01:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Goodyear entered the political arena and Trump slapped them down as he should've. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe you should be voicing your concerns to your company since it was their fault this happened?
Have you not read anything I posted? It wasn’t the company’s policy and it never was. An employee at a manufacturing plant created an unauthorized slide and said this is Goodyear policy. Their policy has always been no political endorsements or activities at work. So how did they create this mess? It was a quick trigger finger by the cancel culture president he fired off boycott before he had the facts.
Im certain GY would say that after the effect on their stock price.
The whole "cancel culture movement" is beyond out of control. It bears a striking resemblance to my daily "movement".
(08-20-2020, 01:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 12:57 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Or I don’t subscribe to team politics. Just because trump is republican doesn’t mean he automatically gets my support, he’s careless in his actions and words and that has real consequences for real people. I said pretty clearly I won’t support socialism via proxy through the Democrats but that doesn’t mean I’ll support crony capitalism via trump either. No politician especially the head of the executive state should be picking winners and losers in a free market. Justify that GOP so much for free market capitalism huh?
Goodyear entered the political arena and Trump slapped them down as he should've. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe you should be voicing your concerns to your company since it was their fault this happened?
For someone who is voting for the libertarian, you seem to spend a lot of time defending Trump.
(08-20-2020, 06:34 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 01:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Goodyear entered the political arena and Trump slapped them down as he should've. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe you should be voicing your concerns to your company since it was their fault this happened?
For someone who is voting for the libertarian, you seem to spend a lot of time defending Trump.
(08-20-2020, 06:12 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The whole "cancel culture movement" is beyond out of control. It bears a striking resemblance to my daily "movement".
Okay, fine, so why is your boy trying to "cancel" Goodyear?
(08-20-2020, 09:49 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's hard to change someone's mind on a message board, because most people who are invested enough to participate on one are already active in the political world. I do think the people who are less likely to post, but lurk in the background, are more susceptible to persuasion, because they are coming here for additional thoughts, not necessarily to share their opinion. I do think message boards are useful, though, because you can see how the non-politician perceives the political world. It's just as important for me to know Marty's reasoning as it is for me to know RJ's, or homebiscuits, or Stroudcrowd's. So, while you might not change my mind TRM, you do help me understand the motivations of others like you, and I think that is important.
I've changed my mind on a message board many times.
If you find someone who actually knows a fact you don't, or shares a life experience that is foreign to you, it should change your mind, if only a little.
But that doesn't happen around here.
people here do have very different life experiences, but they are not sharing them in an empathetic way.
"I was in the military so anyone who disagrees with me about the military is wrong and should shut up"
"I am a cop so anyone who disagrees with me about what cops do is wrong and should shut up."
The experiences that would add to the conversation are things that happened to your growing up, things that are happening to your kids, or what happened to you the last time you dealt with a politician or a doctor. Those are the things that really make you ask the "why" of life, where better discussions start.
but it seems like around here people are only ever sharing their work experiences, and work is a bunch of "what." good workers rarely ask why, the folks signing the paychecks already asked why for them. the good workers just ask what and how. And that's all as it should be, but it's not a very interesting discussion for people outside of the field.
(08-20-2020, 06:34 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 01:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Goodyear entered the political arena and Trump slapped them down as he should've. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe you should be voicing your concerns to your company since it was their fault this happened?
For someone who is voting for the libertarian, you seem to spend a lot of time defending Trump.
Yes, and? Trump is not the Left whom I despise, he is the moderate Right for whom I will not vote. I'd rather he prevail over his disgusting opposition today and I'll vote my conscience again in a few months for the ticket that best represents my principles, the Libertarian ticket. And when Trump wins again I'll sit back and enjoy the pain of his opponents on the Left. I'm sorry that nuance evades your meager comprehension.
(08-20-2020, 08:17 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 09:49 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's hard to change someone's mind on a message board, because most people who are invested enough to participate on one are already active in the political world. I do think the people who are less likely to post, but lurk in the background, are more susceptible to persuasion, because they are coming here for additional thoughts, not necessarily to share their opinion. I do think message boards are useful, though, because you can see how the non-politician perceives the political world. It's just as important for me to know Marty's reasoning as it is for me to know RJ's, or homebiscuits, or Stroudcrowd's. So, while you might not change my mind TRM, you do help me understand the motivations of others like you, and I think that is important.
I've changed my mind on a message board many times.
If you find someone who actually knows a fact you don't, or shares a life experience that is foreign to you, it should change your mind, if only a little.
But that doesn't happen around here.
people here do have very different life experiences, but they are not sharing them in an empathetic way.
"I was in the military so anyone who disagrees with me about the military is wrong and should shut up"
"I am a cop so anyone who disagrees with me about what cops do is wrong and should shut up."
The experiences that would add to the conversation are things that happened to your growing up, things that are happening to your kids, or what happened to you the last time you dealt with a politician or a doctor. Those are the things that really make you ask the "why" of life, where better discussions start.
but it seems like around here people are only ever sharing their work experiences, and work is a bunch of "what." good workers rarely ask why, the folks signing the paychecks already asked why for them. the good workers just ask what and how. And that's all as it should be, but it's not a very interesting discussion for people outside of the field.
When was the last time someone changed your mind here?
We share our experiences with you all the time. We tell you, based on our experience, there are certain ways its done in law enforcement / military and you refuse to listen. These instances are almost never a matter up for interpretation but you insist on disputing it anyway.
(08-20-2020, 08:32 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 08:17 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I've changed my mind on a message board many times.
If you find someone who actually knows a fact you don't, or shares a life experience that is foreign to you, it should change your mind, if only a little.
But that doesn't happen around here.
people here do have very different life experiences, but they are not sharing them in an empathetic way.
"I was in the military so anyone who disagrees with me about the military is wrong and should shut up"
"I am a cop so anyone who disagrees with me about what cops do is wrong and should shut up."
The experiences that would add to the conversation are things that happened to your growing up, things that are happening to your kids, or what happened to you the last time you dealt with a politician or a doctor. Those are the things that really make you ask the "why" of life, where better discussions start.
but it seems like around here people are only ever sharing their work experiences, and work is a bunch of "what." good workers rarely ask why, the folks signing the paychecks already asked why for them. the good workers just ask what and how. And that's all as it should be, but it's not a very interesting discussion for people outside of the field.
When was the last time someone changed your mind here?
We share our experiences with you all the time. We tell you, based on our experience, there are certain ways its done in law enforcement / military and you refuse to listen. These instances are almost never a matter up for interpretation but you insist on disputing it anyway.
No one has changed my mind here yet.
But it does happen on other forums.
I appreciate your reply.
But I don't think you understood what I'm saying.
yes, you share, based on your experience, the way it's done.
But that was never what I was trying to discuss.
I am here to discuss why it is done that way.
And can we do better?
and I don't know about you in particular, but people do get defensive when the Why and the Should is brought up, with regard to the job that they do.
I certainly would get defensive if you started asking me if there was a better way to practice engineering.
(08-20-2020, 08:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 08:17 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]"I was in the military so anyone who disagrees with me about the military is wrong and explained to you why you are mistaken but you remain convinced that you know more than I do should shut up"
"I am a cop so anyone who disagrees with me about what cops do is wrong and explained why you are mistaken but you remain convinced that you know more than I do should shut up."
The experiences that would add to the conversation are things that happened to your growing up, things that are happening to your kids, or what happened to you the last time you dealt with a politician or a doctor, because when you tell me about your actual work experience I just dismiss it as irrelevant as in these next bloviations of an intellectual lightweight punching above his weight class.
Those are the things that really make you ask the "why" of life, where better discussions start.
but it seems like around here people are only ever sharing their work experiences, and work is a bunch of "what." good workers rarely ask why, the folks signing the paychecks already asked why for them. the good workers just ask what and how. And that's all as it should be, but it's not a very interesting discussion for people outside of the field.
FTFY.
In this case, I'm not punching at all. Just seeking.
And as we continue to learn more it's evident that Goodyear's company policies do in fact discriminate based on politics.
https://www.wkbn.com/news/national-world...ce-policy/
FTA:
“Some people may wish to express their views on social justice or inequity or equity issues such as black lives matter or LGBTQ pride on their face coverings, shirts or wristbands. That will be deemed approved because it applies with a zero-tolerance stance,” the speaker on the recording said during the meeting. “However if any associate wears all, blue, white lives matter shirts or face coverings, that will be not appropriate.”
(08-20-2020, 08:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 08:32 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]When was the last time someone changed your mind here?
We share our experiences with you all the time. We tell you, based on our experience, there are certain ways its done in law enforcement / military and you refuse to listen. These instances are almost never a matter up for interpretation but you insist on disputing it anyway.
No one has changed my mind here yet.
But it does happen on other forums.
I appreciate your reply.
But I don't think you understood what I'm saying.
yes, you share, based on your experience, the way it's done.
But that was never what I was trying to discuss.
I am here to discuss why it is done that way.
And can we do better?
and I don't know about you in particular, but people do get defensive when the Why and the Should is brought up, with regard to the job that they do.
I certainly would get defensive if you started asking me if there was a better way to practice engineering.
(08-20-2020, 08:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]FTFY.
In this case, I'm not punching at all. Just seeking.
C'mon man, you're whole schtick is just to prove how brilliant your takes are, nothing more.
I don't recollect anyone completely changing my mind, but I've certainly gained new perspective and altered my view. I would like to think most on here have as well.
(08-20-2020, 06:34 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 01:51 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Goodyear entered the political arena and Trump slapped them down as he should've. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Maybe you should be voicing your concerns to your company since it was their fault this happened?
For someone who is voting for the libertarian, you seem to spend a lot of time defending Trump.
I looked up her platform. Somehow defunding the police is part of it. I have no idea what’s going on with the libertarian party but that isn’t one of their points. That’s an anarchist position, which is unacceptable for a functioning society.
(08-20-2020, 09:11 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 06:34 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]For someone who is voting for the libertarian, you seem to spend a lot of time defending Trump.
I looked up her platform. Somehow defunding the police is part of it. I have no idea what’s going on with the libertarian party but that isn’t one of their points. That’s an anarchist position, which is unacceptable for a functioning society.
The Party is being infiltrated by the 2 Parties' castoffs and they are bringing their policy positions with them. In this case they are touting "defund the Police" as being pro-smaller government and anti-Police state.
(08-20-2020, 08:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-20-2020, 08:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]In this case, I'm not punching at all. Just seeking.
C'mon man, you're whole schtick is just to prove how brilliant your takes are, nothing more.
I understand why you would say that. It's true sometimes. I guess what I'm saying is I have more than one schtick.
(08-20-2020, 09:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 09:27 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I understand why you would say that. It's true sometimes. I guess what I'm saying is I have more than one schtick.
You really don't.
I do, but you don't want to see it. Don't know why, but you do you. Bringing horses to water and all that.
(08-20-2020, 08:29 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2020, 06:34 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]For someone who is voting for the libertarian, you seem to spend a lot of time defending Trump.
Yes, and? Trump is not the Left whom I despise, he is the moderate Right for whom I will not vote. I'd rather he prevail over his disgusting opposition today and I'll vote my conscience again in a few months for the ticket that best represents my principles, the Libertarian ticket. And when Trump wins again I'll sit back and enjoy the pain of his opponents on the Left. I'm sorry that nuance evades your meager comprehension.
Ah, again with the insults. What sad little Trumper you are. Bottom line, I don't believe you. I absolutely think you will be voting for Trump. It's not like you can't debate the left without supporting everything Trump does. And the libertarian candidate best aligns with your ideology? You agree with Trump using a public office to call for a boycott of a private company. I can assure you that no actual libertarian is for that. In fact, real libertarians disapprove of all of Donald's big government actions. So, spare me the bit about you being libertarian.