Quote:A ton of his draft picks are under achieving and/or playing bad. This team is far from built.
You do realize that his marquee acquisitions have been, aside from Bortles and Joeckel, the brightest spots in this season, right? Ramsey looks like the real thing, Malik has been huge, Fowler has flashed, Yannick has been awesome, even Cyprien hasn't looked like a total clown out there. The problems with this team have been coaching related--poor discipline, piss-poor schemes that repeatedly send a 31-year-old linebacker into single coverage against wideouts, inability to manage the clock...sound familiar?
Quote:Shad Khan.
So you're saying David Caldwell is not responsible or hiring and retaining the coaching staff?
Quote:So you're saying David Caldwell is not responsible or hiring and retaining the coaching staff?
Gus was the fatal error there. Good coaches don't want to work for first-timers, especially after said first-time proves himself to be utterly incompetent and incapable of doing the job.
Quote:Caldwell hired the coach...and then kept the idiot for 4 years.
If you can`t see why he hired Gus, with the plans to gut the roster the way they did then so be it. Gus was a high energy guy from a top 5 team who gave off the perception that he could hold this team together through adversity and it didn`t work out. Look at what coaching is doing in New England, They just won with there 3rd string quarterback. Even the best GMs had a great coach, Dave has earned one more shot.
Quote:You do realize that his marquee acquisitions have been, aside from Bortles and Joeckel, the brightest spots in this season, right? Ramsey looks like the real thing, Malik has been huge, Fowler has flashed, Yannick has been awesome, even Cyprien hasn't looked like a total clown out there. The problems with this team have been coaching related--poor discipline, [BAD WORD REMOVED]-poor schemes that repeatedly send a 31-year-old linebacker into single coverage against wideouts, inability to manage the clock...sound familiar?
discipline, these a grown [BLEEP] freaking men. The problem has been coaching 100% combined with piss poor quality of play. BBINT has nothing to do with coaching it's a 3rd year QB playing like a rookie. The pressure we give up has nothing to do with coaching it has to do with our BUST of a LT, failure to find a C and moving a solid G to C then losing him to injury, since we ignored the C position when the G we moved out of position was hurt we went and got a street quality C who to no surprise sucks. the G we drafted to move our good G to C sucks. we have probably the worse oline in franchise history, thanks David.
Quote:Who hired the freaking coaches? who's decided to back this coaching staff into year 4?
Gus did. GMs pick the head coach the rest is up to the head coach.
Caldwell is not the problem
Quote:So you're saying David Caldwell is not responsible or hiring and retaining the coaching staff?
Khan signs the checks. It's ultimately his decision. Caldwell has brought in enough talent for this team to be performing. Did you watch the Patriots game on Thursday? Tell me they have more talent on their team than we do.
Dave gets to hire the next Coach and that's it. Hard to tell anything with the worst head coach in the league at the helm
This roster is obviously more talented than anything we had under Gene Smith. At one point we had Jason Hill as our #1 wideout. Last year we had two 1000 yard receivers. The talent is there. We decided to stay the course with Gus to keep consistency within the regime and as we all know that hasn't worked out. I'm sure Dave realizes at this point it's time to move on from Bradley. The question is, will Gus be fired during the bye or do we have to suffer through this nonsense the rest of the season? We have a perfectly capable interim coach in Marrone.
Quote:discipline, these a grown [BAD WORD REMOVED] freaking men. The problem has been coaching 100% combined with [BAD WORD REMOVED] poor quality of play. BBINT has nothing to do with coaching it's a 3rd year QB playing like a rookie. The pressure we give up has nothing to do with coaching it has to do with our BUST of a LT, failure to find a C and moving a solid G to C then losing him to injury, since we ignored the C position when the G we moved out of position was hurt we went and got a street quality C who to no surprise sucks. the G we drafted to move our good G to C sucks. we have probably the worse oline in franchise history, thanks David.
When did Bklyn change his name?
Quote:We have a perfectly capable interim coach in Marrone.
No, we don't. That's the thing. We have an offensive line coach who was a cancer in his own locker room in Buffalo, quit on the team, then came here and made our offensive line progressively worse since his arrival.
The best interim coaching candidate on this team, imo, is Monte Kiffin. Steady, level-headed coach who can hold this team together in 2016 while a permanent coach is identified. Failing that, I'd look to someone like (as unpopular as this will be) DeWayne Walker.
Quote:When did Bklyn change his name?
your such a funny guy!
So are you disputing Joeckel is a bust? or that moving Linder from G to C was stupid instead of finding a C. Or that Cann sucks? or that we have talent somewhere on the oline?
Quote:your such a funny guy!
So are you disputing Joeckel is a bust? or that moving Linder from G to C was stupid instead of finding a C. Or that Cann sucks? or that we have talent somewhere on the oline?
When you said this is like gene smith all over again you shot your credibility.
Quote:When you said this is like gene smith all over again you shot your credibility.
yes yes we are so much better than 2008-2011
Quote:yes yes we are so much better than 2008-2011
We are. Even the national pundits agree. It's coaching and you know it.
Caldwell either refuses to fire an incompetent coach or built a bad roster. Either way, he's responsible for this.
Quote:Caldwell either refuses to fire an incompetent coach or built a bad roster. Either way, he's responsible for this.
Eric don't be changing screen names.
*sigh*
I thought four years later we could have not had to do this again. But it's time for the "Why Gene Smith was bad" rant. Because some people still don't get it.
Every General Manager in the NFL from Gene Smith and Matt Millen to Bill Belichick and Ozzie Newsome has misses. Not every player they sign, and not every player they draft is going to be good. If they were, no NFL team could afford to keep them.
What made Gene Smith especially bad was two very specific things:
#1. The fact that he didn't consider how other teams valued players when picking them. This is something Dave Caldwell has been very good at. Gene Smith lacked patience. He took Tyson Alualu in the first, because he valued him as a first round pick. He couldn't handle missing out on a player like Alualu. And this would have been fine if Alualu turned out to be a great top 10 level player. But he didn't. What makes this miss hurt so much is that Gene passed up on other talent for a guy who shouldn't have went anywhere near the Top 10. Look at Dave Caldwell in comparison. He's let players fall, instead of taking them early just so he doesn't miss out on them. He considers how other GM's value players when making his selections. This is something Gene Smith never did, and it's why he was so bad.
#2. The fact that he was always giving up future picks. He traded a future 2nd round pick for a 3rd round pick early. Basically we used our 2nd rounder in the third round so we could have a player a year early. He fell in love with a player so much, he was willing to use a 2nd rounder on a 3rd round guy. He was always trading up, and throwing picks away so he could get HIS guys. Dave Caldwell also has NOT done this. He sat, and let Myles Jack fall before trading up at the right moment. He made sure he had the ammo to trade up for Allen Robinson, and gave up very little to move up.
Dave Caldwell has put talent on this team. Our coaching has not got enough out of it. It's a coaching problem that goes much deeper than just Gus Bradley. It takes coaching to get the most out of these players--and if we had good coaching, we'd probably be 2-1 right now and nobody would even consider firing Dave Caldwell.
"But the coaching hire is on him, isn't it?"
Yes--but at the same time, he deserves another coach because of the talent he has put on this team. We're in a position to succeed--that's what makes everything so frustrating. Yes, there's still some holes that need to be fixed. Yes, some of his picks didn't work out. But those picks were picks almost any GM would have made. And he's made some good choices, we just need a better coach to see it all come together the way it should.
Caldwell has pretty much done what you want out of a GM. Yes, he's had his misses here and there. And he's had his hits. These players need a coach to mold them into the players they can be. Not just that, but a coach who knows how to get the most out of them.
GM's should only go when they're making truly bad decisions--or when it's time to try something new. It's not time to try something new just yet, and Caldwell hasn't made any truly bad decisions. He's had misses in free agency and in the draft--and yes, they do pile up. But they're not so egregious that it's time to fire him.
If Caldwell decides he wants to keep Gus another year, THEN maybe he should be fired.
Eleventh Doctor, I agree with you but ultimately the performance of a team falls on the GM. I would love to see the team he built with a new coach because clearly Bradley is the weak link. But if Caldwell simply refuses to find a new coach, it is his fault this team is losing. It's actually pretty straight forward. Gus has been kept around long enough to accumulate the worst win-loss record in modern football. It's not like Caldwell isn't keeping Bradley on purpose and keeping a coach like Gus is far from the standard thing to do in the NFL.