(08-28-2020, 08:52 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 11:30 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Go read the report and see all the evidence. Once again you listen to idiots instead of looking at the actual facts. The guy that got her killed even said she was in the hallway, not sleeping. They also had a no knock warrant, but they knocked anyways, once again the guy who got her killed said they knocked.
She was involved, knew what was going on, recieved packages, had a bank account with her address on it, kept/hid money or potentially was even washing it.
https://tatumreport.com/?p=9015
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Anonymous source "leaked" from the police investigation. Well, my pretty, I can create anonymous reports too!
With transcripts of phone calls?
Jesus.
Let the truth come to light - these things take months to compile. But nah, your ilk is as reactionary as the day is long
(08-27-2020, 11:30 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 10:55 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]She was sleeping.
The police had a warrant to knock a door down, and knocked down the wrong door.
The whole things is egregious.
What part is not egregious?
Go read the report and see all the evidence. Once again you listen to idiots instead of looking at the actual facts. The guy that got her killed even said she was in the hallway, not sleeping. They also had a no knock warrant, but they knocked anyways, once again the guy who got her killed said they knocked.
She was involved, knew what was going on, recieved packages, had a bank account with her address on it, kept/hid money or potentially was even washing it.
https://tatumreport.com/?p=9015
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first of all, this did not come out of the official channels, and is not very credible. but let's leave that aside and for the sake of argument, assume that it's true. It says the police had probable cause to believe that Breonna Taylor's male friends were dealing in drugs, and that Breonna Taylor knew something about it. They got warrants to simultaneously break down five different doors. Behind three of those doors, they found drugs and drug paraphernalia, and made arrests without shooting anybody. They neglected to go to the 4th door. Behind the 5th door, was Breonna Taylor. I haven't read the whole thing, but so far I'm not seeing where they found any drugs behind that door, and I'm not seeing any explanation about what Breonna Taylor was doing as the police came in, or why shots were fired.
(08-28-2020, 09:10 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 11:30 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Go read the report and see all the evidence. Once again you listen to idiots instead of looking at the actual facts. The guy that got her killed even said she was in the hallway, not sleeping. They also had a no knock warrant, but they knocked anyways, once again the guy who got her killed said they knocked.
She was involved, knew what was going on, recieved packages, had a bank account with her address on it, kept/hid money or potentially was even washing it.
https://tatumreport.com/?p=9015
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first of all, this did not come out of the official channels, and is not very credible. but let's leave that aside and for the sake of argument, assume that it's true. It says the police had probable cause to believe that Breonna Taylor's male friends were dealing in drugs, and that Breonna Taylor knew something about it. They got warrants to simultaneously break down five different doors. Behind three of those doors, they found drugs and drug paraphernalia, and made arrests without shooting anybody. They neglected to go to the 4th door. Behind the 5th door, was Breonna Taylor. I haven't read the whole thing, but so far I'm not seeing where they found any drugs behind that door, and I'm not seeing any explanation about what Breonna Taylor was doing as the police came in, or why shots were fired.
There were not any drugs there, as stupid as these criminals are, it didn't seem she directly handled the drugs. She did have some of their money and the criminals said she had it, but the cops would never find it. They said she knew what she was doing with the money. They also used another female to hind money in her house and she claimed it was from her job when arrested. Sounds like she may have transported some stuff in the car or at least money.
The other house wasn't searched at the time because they didn't have resources to hit all the houses at the same time. The phone calls state why only 1 house was shot. The other criminals don't shot at the cops per their own words. The guy who shot at the cops wasn't apart of their group, or whatever you would call them, and he thought he was being robbed. Their own words say she was in the hall.
It was unfortunate that she was shot and killed, but when you surround yourself with criminals this stuff can happen. From a trial standpoint, I doubt she would have be convicted of anything because everything is circumstantial from the latest case. A lot of the phone calls were after the fact, although there is video and GPS tracking that make her involved. There was enough evidence for a search warrant, but she seems to have been on the outs because of the guy she was dating.
(08-28-2020, 09:33 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2020, 09:10 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]first of all, this did not come out of the official channels, and is not very credible. but let's leave that aside and for the sake of argument, assume that it's true. It says the police had probable cause to believe that Breonna Taylor's male friends were dealing in drugs, and that Breonna Taylor knew something about it. They got warrants to simultaneously break down five different doors. Behind three of those doors, they found drugs and drug paraphernalia, and made arrests without shooting anybody. They neglected to go to the 4th door. Behind the 5th door, was Breonna Taylor. I haven't read the whole thing, but so far I'm not seeing where they found any drugs behind that door, and I'm not seeing any explanation about what Breonna Taylor was doing as the police came in, or why shots were fired.
There were not any drugs there, as stupid as these criminals are, it didn't seem she directly handled the drugs. She did have some of their money and the criminals said she had it, but the cops would never find it. They said she knew what she was doing with the money. They also used another female to hind money in her house and she claimed it was from her job when arrested. Sounds like she may have transported some stuff in the car or at least money.
The other house wasn't searched at the time because they didn't have resources to hit all the houses at the same time. The phone calls state why only 1 house was shot. The other criminals don't shot at the cops per their own words. The guy who shot at the cops wasn't apart of their group, or whatever you would call them, and he thought he was being robbed. Their own words say she was in the hall.
It was unfortunate that she was shot and killed, but when you surround yourself with criminals this stuff can happen.
This gets back to police being trained incorrectly. While no one knows the exact sequence of events from when the door was broken down, if someone inside a building is shooting at police who are trying to get inside that building, the police are obligated to slow down and let the situation be at a standoff for a little while. Make sure the person inside understands that he's dealing with the cops and not a gang. Give the person a chance to make an informed decision to surrender. Police standoffs happen all the time. This is not some advanced, secret knowledge.
(08-28-2020, 09:10 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2020, 11:30 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Go read the report and see all the evidence. Once again you listen to idiots instead of looking at the actual facts. The guy that got her killed even said she was in the hallway, not sleeping. They also had a no knock warrant, but they knocked anyways, once again the guy who got her killed said they knocked.
She was involved, knew what was going on, recieved packages, had a bank account with her address on it, kept/hid money or potentially was even washing it.
https://tatumreport.com/?p=9015
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first of all, this did not come out of the official channels, and is not very credible. but let's leave that aside and for the sake of argument, assume that it's true. It says the police had probable cause to believe that Breonna Taylor's male friends were dealing in drugs, and that Breonna Taylor knew something about it. They got warrants to simultaneously break down five different doors. Behind three of those doors, they found drugs and drug paraphernalia, and made arrests without shooting anybody. They neglected to go to the 4th door. Behind the 5th door, was Breonna Taylor. I haven't read the whole thing, but so far I'm not seeing where they found any drugs behind that door, and I'm not seeing any explanation about what Breonna Taylor was doing as the police came in, or why shots were fired.
Breonna Taylor was asleep. Shots rang out and one of the men in the house fired back at the police. Taylor got up and went to the hallway to see what was happening and was shot by police. There is still no proof she knew of any drug dealing and no evidence has turned up that she was in any way, connected to the drugs, (unless you listen to the reports on Fox News and we all know how "reliable" and "unbiased" they are.)
Yeah, it sucks that she died, but that stuff happens. She clearly wasn't supposed to be shot. It's odd we are even having this discussion, though. In a nation of 350 MILLION people, with several million police interactions per year, some people will get shot, either accidentally or maliciously. We can prosecute the malicious ones, but they are few and far between. The accidental ones are much grayer. Do you arrest every police officer for every accidental death? It's a hard job, but it happens SO rarely. Your odds of being shot as an unarmed black person is 0.0000057%. How much can you really improve that number? I feel very comfortable living in a society where there is that amount of success in one of the few professions where people are allowed to use lethal force. I wish we could have a civil conversation about this, but we can't.
So, that said, even if Breonna was 100% innocent, she was in a bad situation. It sucks. That police department needs to look at it's tactics. It's not evidence of systemic racism, and it certainly doesn't justify what we are seeing nationwide. I understand why the black community is fearful, but these tactics are only going to lead to more death in the black community. I'm not comfortable with that. The fastest way to solve this problem is for us to collectively attack the media and politicians that exploit this demagoguery for their own selfish interests.
(08-28-2020, 10:59 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, it sucks that she died, but that stuff happens. She clearly wasn't supposed to be shot. It's odd we are even having this discussion, though. In a nation of 350 MILLION people, with several million police interactions per year, some people will get shot, either accidentally or maliciously. We can prosecute the malicious ones, but they are few and far between. The accidental ones are much grayer. Do you arrest every police officer for every accidental death? It's a hard job, but it happens SO rarely. Your odds of being shot as an unarmed black person is 0.0000057%. How much can you really improve that number? I feel very comfortable living in a society where there is that amount of success in one of the few professions where people are allowed to use lethal force. I wish we could have a civil conversation about this, but we can't.
So, that said, even if Breonna was 100% innocent, she was in a bad situation. It sucks. That police department needs to look at it's tactics. It's not evidence of systemic racism, and it certainly doesn't justify what we are seeing nationwide. I understand why the black community is fearful, but these tactics are only going to lead to more death in the black community. I'm not comfortable with that. The fastest way to solve this problem is for us to collectively attack the media and politicians that exploit this demagoguery for their own selfish interests.
On that subject imagine if the headlines read something like: “Career criminal shot by police while resisting arrest”?
I am still arguing with family and friends that cannot get past the initial false headlines regardless of how many facts have come out since then. It’s like the narrative is set and no amount of factual information will change that. I cannot even get them to concede he was reaching into the car and not trying to drive off. I asked them to get into their cars to drive. Now did you step into the car right foot first or stick your head in?
If drugs weren't criminalized there would've been no warrant.
(08-28-2020, 10:15 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2020, 09:33 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]There were not any drugs there, as stupid as these criminals are, it didn't seem she directly handled the drugs. She did have some of their money and the criminals said she had it, but the cops would never find it. They said she knew what she was doing with the money. They also used another female to hind money in her house and she claimed it was from her job when arrested. Sounds like she may have transported some stuff in the car or at least money.
The other house wasn't searched at the time because they didn't have resources to hit all the houses at the same time. The phone calls state why only 1 house was shot. The other criminals don't shot at the cops per their own words. The guy who shot at the cops wasn't apart of their group, or whatever you would call them, and he thought he was being robbed. Their own words say she was in the hall.
It was unfortunate that she was shot and killed, but when you surround yourself with criminals this stuff can happen.
This gets back to police being trained incorrectly. While no one knows the exact sequence of events from when the door was broken down, if someone inside a building is shooting at police who are trying to get inside that building, the police are obligated to slow down and let the situation be at a standoff for a little while. Make sure the person inside understands that he's dealing with the cops and not a gang. Give the person a chance to make an informed decision to surrender. Police standoffs happen all the time. This is not some advanced, secret knowledge.
He typed this.... he really typed it.
(08-28-2020, 11:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]If drugs weren't criminalized there would've been no warrant.
You know better than that.
(08-28-2020, 11:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]If drugs weren't criminalized there would've been no warrant.
That's true, but as long as Americans keep nominating "dusty, old, farts" to be president, this is the way it's gonna be. Both nominees are against de-criminalizing drugs, so you get what you nominate.
(08-28-2020, 08:55 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-28-2020, 08:52 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Anonymous source "leaked" from the police investigation. Well, my pretty, I can create anonymous reports too!
With transcripts of phone calls?
Jesus.
Let the truth come to light - these things take months to compile. But nah, your ilk is as reactionary as the day is long
It didn't take you months to come to your opinion.
Playoff ratings down over 20%, lowest in 5 years. NFL needs to watch and learn.
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(08-31-2020, 09:15 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Playoff ratings down over 20%, lowest in 5 years. NFL needs to watch and learn.
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I don't even know who is playing.