It's becoming pretty clear that a lot of people here have never been involved in any altercations before in their lives.
When the police went through the door they didn't start shooting, Breonna's boyfriend fired and hit a cop in his thigh which severed an artery... the cops started firing - they don't know who is armed and who is not but what they do know is one of their own is on the ground bleeding. In that situation, you believe your life is in danger... from everyone and anyone in the vicinity.
Breonna was a criminal. STOP identifying with criminals. Just STOP. It's disgusting and despicable. If she were a good person there wouldn't be transcripts of her phone calls talking about drug money and hiding it from the Police. She was complicit.
My personal belief is drugs should be legal which would eliminate the black market for this crap and eliminate the human garbage that peddles it. But until that happens we have laws for a reason - and the second you circumvent the law or fire a weapon at police your life becomes forfeit.
We are supposed to be a civilized society. Start acting like it and stop having sympathy for the pieces of [BLEEP] that want to destroy this country.
Being a cop in this country is the hardest job on the planet - at least soldiers know who their enemy is the majority of the time - for cops it could be anyone at any time. Start respecting them and stop judging them for a few bad ones - cause that's the same stupid logic racists use.
Couple positives coming out of this. I saw a couple soy boys riding scooters and we got a few more clips of human bowling pins trying to block traffic.
(09-24-2020, 12:22 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/...80576?s=20
I hope DOJ is following the money on this and building a major case.
Not only that, her family was awarded 12 million dollars in a settlement. It sucks, and it's not worth her life, but it is an admission that the city was at fault. Combine that with the law being changed, and you have a correction and compensation, which is a form of justice. Instead of acknowledging that change is occurring, you have people rioting in the streets, burning stuff, and attacking cops. The police were just doing their job. Why would people be so intent on ruining the lives of individual police officers? I don't understand it.
(09-24-2020, 07:16 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Breonna Taylor's involvement (or lack of involvement) in selling drugs isn't relevant. The cops were not expecting to find her there. She wasn't the reason they came.
Based on what I've heard about the incident, I agree with only charging the one cop for shooting into the nearby apartment unit.
Those cops had orders to execute a search warrant regardless of resistance. They should never have been given those orders, but they acted within them.
It might be best to not ever do a no-knock warrant again. It would certainly be best to train cops to fall back to covered positions if they ever face resistance while executing a warrant. Calling for backup and negotiators because a standoff has begun is always better than calling in EMTs because someone's bleeding out.
Thankfully, neither of the officers has a life-threatening injury.
And the suspect is in custody, they brought him in alive.
Sad that it even happened, but at least the system is working this time.
Alright, which one of you knuckleheads hacked mikesez account? Fess up to it before other posters start thinking he might actually be normal.
(09-24-2020, 07:35 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's becoming pretty clear that a lot of people here have never been involved in any altercations before in their lives.
When the police went through the door they didn't start shooting, Breonna's boyfriend fired and hit a cop in his thigh which severed an artery... the cops started firing - they don't know who is armed and who is not but what they do know is one of their own is on the ground bleeding. In that situation, you believe your life is in danger... from everyone and anyone in the vicinity.
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Being a cop in this country is the hardest job on the planet - at least soldiers know who their enemy is the majority of the time - for cops it could be anyone at any time. Start respecting them and stop judging them for a few bad ones - cause that's the same stupid logic racists use.
None of us were there and they haven't released bodycam footage.
Even if any of us had experience being a cop or a soldier in a shootout, we still wouldn't be able to claim certainty about what happened.
Your assertion that three cops had to continue shooting just because a fourth cop had been shot and was bleeding is questionable at best. Is that the right way to get first aid for him? He was probably still able to walk or crawl. They probably could have gotten him to cover without firing any more shots. I think they should have been trained that way.
(09-24-2020, 09:51 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 07:35 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's becoming pretty clear that a lot of people here have never been involved in any altercations before in their lives.
When the police went through the door they didn't start shooting, Breonna's boyfriend fired and hit a cop in his thigh which severed an artery... the cops started firing - they don't know who is armed and who is not but what they do know is one of their own is on the ground bleeding. In that situation, you believe your life is in danger... from everyone and anyone in the vicinity.
... [irrelevant commentary removed]...
Being a cop in this country is the hardest job on the planet - at least soldiers know who their enemy is the majority of the time - for cops it could be anyone at any time. Start respecting them and stop judging them for a few bad ones - cause that's the same stupid logic racists use.
None of us were there and they haven't released bodycam footage.
Even if any of us had experience being a cop or a soldier in a shootout, we still wouldn't be able to claim certainty about what happened.
Your assertion that three cops had to continue shooting just because a fourth cop had been shot and was bleeding is questionable at best. Is that the right way to get first aid for him? He was probably still able to walk or crawl. They probably could have gotten him to cover without firing any more shots. I think they should have been trained that way.
Speak not of which you know nothing. There were multiple members of this drug ring and they had no way of knowing how many people could have been in the house, waiting to open fire on them.
My god you watch too many movies.
(09-24-2020, 09:53 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You jinxed us, Sammy.
Welp, that didn't last long.
(09-24-2020, 09:55 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 09:51 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]None of us were there and they haven't released bodycam footage.
Even if any of us had experience being a cop or a soldier in a shootout, we still wouldn't be able to claim certainty about what happened.
Your assertion that three cops had to continue shooting just because a fourth cop had been shot and was bleeding is questionable at best. Is that the right way to get first aid for him? He was probably still able to walk or crawl. They probably could have gotten him to cover without firing any more shots. I think they should have been trained that way.
Speak not of which you know nothing. There were multiple members of this drug ring and they had no way of knowing how many people could have been in the house, waiting to open fire on them.
My god you watch too many movies.
People, cops or not, usually have no way of knowing how many guns or bullets there are in any particular place.
So does that mean the best course of action, if you get shot at, is to just keep shooting your gun until they stop shooting theirs? Even if you're in an apartment building where your bullets can easily reach the next unit over?
(09-24-2020, 08:39 AM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 07:16 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Breonna Taylor's involvement (or lack of involvement) in selling drugs isn't relevant. The cops were not expecting to find her there. She wasn't the reason they came.
Based on what I've heard about the incident, I agree with only charging the one cop for shooting into the nearby apartment unit.
Those cops had orders to execute a search warrant regardless of resistance. They should never have been given those orders, but they acted within them.
It might be best to not ever do a no-knock warrant again. It would certainly be best to train cops to fall back to covered positions if they ever face resistance while executing a warrant. Calling for backup and negotiators because a standoff has begun is always better than calling in EMTs because someone's bleeding out.
Thankfully, neither of the officers has a life-threatening injury.
And the suspect is in custody, they brought him in alive.
Sad that it even happened, but at least the system is working this time.
Alright, which one of you knuckleheads hacked mikesez account? Fess up to it before other posters start thinking he might actually be normal.
I was actually wrong about the part I crossed out above. The police were looking for her,but only as a person of interest. She was suspected of helping the actual suspects of hiding money and drugs, but they weren't sure if she was naive or complicit in the suspected drug deals. It doesn't matter, though. She didn't fire at police, and she wasn't a suspect. Other details aren't relevant. She shouldn't have died.
(09-24-2020, 07:16 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Breonna Taylor's involvement (or lack of involvement) in selling drugs isn't relevant. The cops were not expecting to find her there. She wasn't the reason they came.
Based on what I've heard about the incident, I agree with only charging the one cop for shooting into the nearby apartment unit.
Those cops had orders to execute a search warrant regardless of resistance. They should never have been given those orders, but they acted within them.
It might be best to not ever do a no-knock warrant again. It would certainly be best to train cops to fall back to covered positions if they ever face resistance while executing a warrant. Calling for backup and negotiators because a standoff has begun is always better than calling in EMTs because someone's bleeding out.
Thankfully, neither of the officers has a life-threatening injury.
And the suspect is in custody, they brought him in alive.
Sad that it even happened, but at least the system is working this time.
She was the reason they had a warrant for her apartment. She got deliveries for the ring leader at her place, she hid money for him, she delivered cars with who knows what in them, rented a car that then had a dead body in it. The cops had the evidence to get a no knock warrant. The cops definitely expected to find her there and expected to search the house. They did not search the house for a long time because they had to then get a new warrant after the shooting. The boyfriend was also in the house alone for a long time and did not render care, so he was doing something else.
Also the cops were not swat, normally swat should be used for a no knock warrant but they were not. I don't know the training for the cops, but I doubt they are trained well enough for that. If someone is firing, they either need to fire or retreat. Most cops are trained to keep firing until the shooting stops which is hard to hear when multiple people are firing.
(09-24-2020, 12:24 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 07:16 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Breonna Taylor's involvement (or lack of involvement) in selling drugs isn't relevant. The cops were not expecting to find her there. She wasn't the reason they came.
Based on what I've heard about the incident, I agree with only charging the one cop for shooting into the nearby apartment unit.
Those cops had orders to execute a search warrant regardless of resistance. They should never have been given those orders, but they acted within them.
It might be best to not ever do a no-knock warrant again. It would certainly be best to train cops to fall back to covered positions if they ever face resistance while executing a warrant. Calling for backup and negotiators because a standoff has begun is always better than calling in EMTs because someone's bleeding out.
Thankfully, neither of the officers has a life-threatening injury.
And the suspect is in custody, they brought him in alive.
Sad that it even happened, but at least the system is working this time.
She was the reason they had a warrant for her apartment. She got deliveries for the ring leader at her place, she hid money for him, she delivered cars with who knows what in them, rented a car that then had a dead body in it. The cops had the evidence to get a no knock warrant. The cops definitely expected to find her there and expected to search the house. They did not search the house for a long time because they had to then get a new warrant after the shooting. The boyfriend was also in the house alone for a long time and did not render care, so he was doing something else.
Also the cops were not swat, normally swat should be used for a no knock warrant but they were not. I don't know the training for the cops, but I doubt they are trained well enough for that. If someone is firing, they either need to fire or retreat. Most cops are trained to keep firing until the shooting stops which is hard to hear when multiple people are firing.
1) if they knew that they were going to have to get an updated warrant anyway, that's all the more reason for them to retreat, instead of continuing to fire.
2) the coroner said that she probably died within a minute of being shot. The boyfriend said in his statement to police that she was coughing for a few minutes after being shot, and that he called her mom asking what he should do. ideally, he would have come out with his hands up as soon as he realized that it was the police, but there are lots of excuses for not doing that. Even if he had no reason to believe that he had broken the law, he had every reason to believe that they thought he had broken the law, especially because he knew that he had shot at them, even if it was self-defense in his own mind. In the end, I don't think the boyfriends actions after he realizes she was shot are relevant in any way
(09-24-2020, 12:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 12:24 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]She was the reason they had a warrant for her apartment. She got deliveries for the ring leader at her place, she hid money for him, she delivered cars with who knows what in them, rented a car that then had a dead body in it. The cops had the evidence to get a no knock warrant. The cops definitely expected to find her there and expected to search the house. They did not search the house for a long time because they had to then get a new warrant after the shooting. The boyfriend was also in the house alone for a long time and did not render care, so he was doing something else.
Also the cops were not swat, normally swat should be used for a no knock warrant but they were not. I don't know the training for the cops, but I doubt they are trained well enough for that. If someone is firing, they either need to fire or retreat. Most cops are trained to keep firing until the shooting stops which is hard to hear when multiple people are firing.
1) if they knew that they were going to have to get an updated warrant anyway, that's all the more reason for them to retreat, instead of continuing to fire.
2) the coroner said that she probably died within a minute of being shot. The boyfriend said in his statement to police that she was coughing for a few minutes after being shot, and that he called her mom asking what he should do. ideally, he would have come out with his hands up as soon as he realized that it was the police, but there are lots of excuses for not doing that. Even if he had no reason to believe that he had broken the law, he had every reason to believe that they thought he had broken the law, especially because he knew that he had shot at them, even if it was self-defense in his own mind. In the end, I don't think the boyfriends actions after he realizes she was shot are relevant in any way
For #1, these are regular cops, they are not swat trained. Poor decision on their leadership, but they felt they were trained enough. Falling back would only happen after the shooting stopped. A swat team would provide cover fire and remove the team member shot and start negotiations.
For #2, his actions are relevant because he was alone and had time to destroy evidence. He fired at police while the others did not. There is a reason he fired at the cops or thought someone was there to rob him. There are reasons he did this and the statements from the others seem to point that he was not involved in their drug dealing but was involved in something else.
She didn't need to die and wouldn't have if he doesn't fire. I don't like no knock warrants because a law abiding person would think someone is robing them, but the requirements for the warrant are very high and make it very clear that the cops and public would be in danger if they announced. The cops aren't to blame, the boyfriend and the situation they both put themselves in are to blame. Stop being and associating with criminals and you won't have cops raid your home.
Kentucky AG says the cops DID knock and his statement was corroborated by witnesses on the scene. More media disinformation to stir up the maroons.
(09-24-2020, 01:34 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 01:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Kentucky AG says the cops DID knock and his statement was corroborated by witnesses on the scene. More media disinformation to stir up the maroons.
You mean Uncle Tom?
From the "It's fine when we do it" files.
(09-24-2020, 12:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 12:24 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]She was the reason they had a warrant for her apartment. She got deliveries for the ring leader at her place, she hid money for him, she delivered cars with who knows what in them, rented a car that then had a dead body in it. The cops had the evidence to get a no knock warrant. The cops definitely expected to find her there and expected to search the house. They did not search the house for a long time because they had to then get a new warrant after the shooting. The boyfriend was also in the house alone for a long time and did not render care, so he was doing something else.
Also the cops were not swat, normally swat should be used for a no knock warrant but they were not. I don't know the training for the cops, but I doubt they are trained well enough for that. If someone is firing, they either need to fire or retreat. Most cops are trained to keep firing until the shooting stops which is hard to hear when multiple people are firing.
1) if they knew that they were going to have to get an updated warrant anyway, that's all the more reason for them to retreat, instead of continuing to fire.
2) the coroner said that she probably died within a minute of being shot. The boyfriend said in his statement to police that she was coughing for a few minutes after being shot, and that he called her mom asking what he should do. ideally, he would have come out with his hands up as soon as he realized that it was the police, but there are lots of excuses for not doing that. Even if he had no reason to believe that he had broken the law, he had every reason to believe that they thought he had broken the law, especially because he knew that he had shot at them, even if it was self-defense in his own mind. In the end, I don't think the boyfriends actions after he realizes she was shot are relevant in any way
I just...just, I just don't understand why you don't keep all that ignorance under wraps. If I knew as little about something as you do about police work I would not argue with people that my ignorance was proper procedure. But here you are, as usual, broadcasting what you don't understand to the masses.
(09-24-2020, 02:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 12:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]1) if they knew that they were going to have to get an updated warrant anyway, that's all the more reason for them to retreat, instead of continuing to fire.
2) the coroner said that she probably died within a minute of being shot. The boyfriend said in his statement to police that she was coughing for a few minutes after being shot, and that he called her mom asking what he should do. ideally, he would have come out with his hands up as soon as he realized that it was the police, but there are lots of excuses for not doing that. Even if he had no reason to believe that he had broken the law, he had every reason to believe that they thought he had broken the law, especially because he knew that he had shot at them, even if it was self-defense in his own mind. In the end, I don't think the boyfriends actions after he realizes she was shot are relevant in any way
I just...just, I just don't understand why you don't keep all that ignorance under wraps. If I knew as little about something as you do about police work I would not argue with people that my ignorance was proper procedure. But here you are, as usual, broadcasting what you don't understand to the masses.
Lingo and jargon aren't relevant to ethics.
I just don't understand why so many of you think insider knowledge is needed to know right from wrong.
And what are we disagreeing about in this particular case anyways? We all agree she shouldn't have gotten shot, and we all agree that the officers were mostly following orders and training, just that aspects of the orders and the training need to be revisited.
But sure, dunk on me if it makes you feel better.
(09-24-2020, 02:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 02:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I just...just, I just don't understand why you don't keep all that ignorance under wraps. If I knew as little about something as you do about police work I would not argue with people that my ignorance was proper procedure. But here you are, as usual, broadcasting what you don't understand to the masses.
Lingo and jargon aren't relevant to ethics.
I just don't understand why so many of you think insider knowledge is needed to know right from wrong.
And what are we disagreeing about in this particular case anyways? We all agree she shouldn't have gotten shot, and we all agree that the officers were mostly following orders and training, just that aspects of the orders and the training need to be revisited.
But sure, dunk on me if it makes you feel better.
In a perfect world, she wouldn't have been a criminal. Her getting shot was the result of her boyfriend firing at the cops. She did not get shot because of anything the cops caused.
(09-24-2020, 04:18 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 02:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Lingo and jargon aren't relevant to ethics.
I just don't understand why so many of you think insider knowledge is needed to know right from wrong.
And what are we disagreeing about in this particular case anyways? We all agree she shouldn't have gotten shot, and we all agree that the officers were mostly following orders and training, just that aspects of the orders and the training need to be revisited.
But sure, dunk on me if it makes you feel better.
In a perfect world, she wouldn't have been a criminal. Her getting shot was the result of her boyfriend firing at the cops. She did not get shot because of anything the cops caused.
Is the boyfriend going to be charged for anything he did that night?
From what I understand, the boyfriend is saying that he thought he was getting robbed, and they can't prove that he knew they were cops before he pulled the trigger.
And the boyfriend was not the subject of the warrant, nor was he suspected of any crime.
So why are we trying to blame the incident on him, when he seems to have done nothing wrong prior to shooting?