I'm not sure why you think human beings are robots.
All the training in the world isn't going to change who a person is. Some people are special - some people can have gunfire going off, bullets whizzing by their ears and still never forget their mission or their job. Other people, with the same level training, completely lose their crap. People are all different and will respond differently in these situations - it's why cops almost always get acquitted in trials. Because the law realizes humans aren't robots - you need to realize the same.
Oh and he didn't say anything about the boyfriend being a criminal, by the way. He said she was. Because she was a criminal. She was heavily involved in a drug trafficking ring.
Here are the facts in this case as I see them based on what I know about it.
FACT: The police officers serving the warrant for the most part did nothing wrong. When fired upon they returned fire and stopped the threat.
FACT: Ms. Taylor was a criminal and was involved in criminal activity.
FACT: Ms. Taylor's death while being sad for her family and friends was brought on by her. She made the choice to do criminal things and be associated with other criminal thugs. Those choices can often be deadly.
FACT: A grand jury agrees with the above facts for the most part.
FACT: Justice has been served.
(09-24-2020, 05:18 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure why you think human beings are robots.
All the training in the world isn't going to change who a person is. Some people are special - some people can have gunfire going off, bullets whizzing by their ears and still never forget their mission or their job. Other people, with the same level training, completely lose their crap. People are all different and will respond differently in these situations - it's why cops almost always get acquitted in trials. Because the law realizes humans aren't robots - you need to realize the same.
Oh and he didn't say anything about the boyfriend being a criminal, by the way. He said she was. Because she was a criminal. She was heavily involved in a drug trafficking ring.
True, but he did say that the police shot her because the boyfriend shot them.
We could conclude, regardless of if she was a suspect or merely a person of interest, that she would not have gotten shot, if her boyfriend was not there. The other associates of hers who got served with warrants that night did not shoot and did not get shot at.
(09-24-2020, 05:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 05:18 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure why you think human beings are robots.
All the training in the world isn't going to change who a person is. Some people are special - some people can have gunfire going off, bullets whizzing by their ears and still never forget their mission or their job. Other people, with the same level training, completely lose their crap. People are all different and will respond differently in these situations - it's why cops almost always get acquitted in trials. Because the law realizes humans aren't robots - you need to realize the same.
Oh and he didn't say anything about the boyfriend being a criminal, by the way. He said she was. Because she was a criminal. She was heavily involved in a drug trafficking ring.
True, but he did say that the police shot her because the boyfriend shot them.
We could conclude, regardless of if she was a suspect or merely a person of interest, that she would not have gotten shot, if her boyfriend was not there. The other associates of hers who got served with warrants that night did not shoot and did not get shot at.
Continue to defend criminal thugs all you want. The fact of the matter is she got herself shot and killed because of her actions/associations.
(09-24-2020, 06:13 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 05:57 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]True, but he did say that the police shot her because the boyfriend shot them.
We could conclude, regardless of if she was a suspect or merely a person of interest, that she would not have gotten shot, if her boyfriend was not there. The other associates of hers who got served with warrants that night did not shoot and did not get shot at.
Continue to defend criminal thugs all you want. The fact of the matter is she got herself shot and killed because of her actions/associations.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
The police thought that they would find Glover's [old boyfriend's] drugs or money from drugs in that apartment.
They were wrong.
I know one of you implied that the new boyfriend must have hid or destroyed some evidence of something, but the police have no reason to believe that the new boyfriend knew anything about the old boyfriend's activities. If he was hiding something during those 20 minutes, it probably wasn't Breonna's stuff.
I don't see how any of you can imply that she got what she deserved.
She may have been involved in that stuff years ago, but all indications are that she was at least becoming uninvolved, if not uninvolved already.
Meanwhile the men with cash and drugs behind the other broken down apartment doors are still alive. Some of them are awaiting trial.
That's justice.
What Breonna got is not Justice. It's a tragedy and a mistake on the part of the police.
Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for the courtroom and not when someone is shooting at you.
(09-24-2020, 08:21 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 08:10 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]A suspect is in custody. Without knowing any of the facts, who do you want rounded up, a bunch of people who didn't shoot anyone?
Protest isn't very popular round here unless they agree with what is being protested.
So you're being intentionally obtuse?
Protests are CELEBRATED in the UNITED States. Riots and destruction are not.
The second you choose to use violence to "further" your cause is the second you have a bullet in your brain.
If these were peaceful protests, Police Officers (who are 100,000,000x the man or woman you could even dream of being) wouldn't have gotten shot.
But when they choose to be violent? They deserve all the fury and destruction that falls upon them.
The facts? Breonna Taylor was a piece of [BLEEP] that decided drug dealing was more profitable than being a member of society.
Once you dumb pieces of garbage decide to openly declare war on the silent majority.... ha... it's going to be an amazing purge. For every 1 righteous American killed, 300 of these basement dwelling losers will be killed.. sad? Definitely. Needed? Maybe. But remember, its your moronic decisions and allegiances that made this happen.
Righteous Americans = Constitutional Republic.... moronic basement dwellers = Socialists.
Easy. Take a deep breath and get some perspective. Don't get so emotionally wrapped up in this.
(09-24-2020, 08:46 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Easy. Take a deep breath and get some perspective. Don't get so emotionally wrapped up in this.
You're right.
I am sorry.
I'm just sick of people getting protests and riots mixed up.
They are different things... conflating them is wrong.
For some, conflating them is the goal.
(09-24-2020, 05:18 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure why you think human beings are robots.
All the training in the world isn't going to change who a person is. Some people are special - some people can have gunfire going off, bullets whizzing by their ears and still never forget their mission or their job. Other people, with the same level training, completely lose their crap. People are all different and will respond differently in these situations - it's why cops almost always get acquitted in trials. Because the law realizes humans aren't robots - you need to realize the same.
I forgot to say, I realize that people aren't robots and they make mistakes.
I already said I doubt the cops did anything illegal.
But I think the law needs to change, and the training these guys get needs to change, and the tactics of the guys who send them out need to change. All of you agree with different parts of what I'm saying.
What I'm not going to do is say that anyone was a "thug" who deserved what they got.
That's not true here.
(09-24-2020, 07:34 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for the courtroom and not when someone is shooting at you.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
(09-25-2020, 07:26 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 07:34 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for the courtroom and not when someone is shooting at you.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Sadly when you help run drugs, surround yourself with drug dealers, and heavy drug activity you take a chance of being carried by six instead of judged by twelve.
Saw some more protester bowling pins last night. One of my favorite parts.
(09-24-2020, 02:37 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 01:01 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]I know the case very well, have you read the report including the phone calls from jail for all the idiots that were arrested? Her boyfriend even stated that the cops knocked and that he fired first. He also said she wasn't in bed. She also wasn't an EMT and could no longer work for the city because she was involved in renting a car a dead body was found in. She also had transported and hid money for her previous boyfriend the drug dealer. She still was currently hiding money for him. In addition she may have been laundering the money for him.
If you actually want to read the facts, read the report here.
https://www.tatumreportexclusive.com/sho...eally-was/
There was no victim in this case. She was at a minimum associated with known criminals and knew what they did. Based on the evidence she was more than associated and was part of the group. Sorry but the people you associate with can have consequences for you. The rest of the group was arrested without shots being fired because in their own words they don't mess with cops and didn't want to die. The boyfriend was a fool and shot at the cops.
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This information you offer up is coming from the very police that murdered her and is full of lies to protect their cover up. The fact is that reporters interviewed 12 of her surrounding neighbors in the apartment complex. Of those 12, only one said that he thought the police identified themselves. Taylor's boyfriend said they didn't. Even if they did, Taylor and the boyfriend probably couldn't hear them as they were asleep and ran out into the hallway, because they thought someone was breaking in. He did shoot first, because again, they thought someone was breaking in. If someone tries breaking into my house in the middle of the night when I'm asleep and I don't hear who it is, I'm blasting them too. Many people would.
Taylor was working as an EMT at the time and had just come off working 4 night shifts in a row, the night of the shooting. Also, no drugs were found in the house at the time of the shooting. The Louisville DA's office has offered her boyfriend a very sweet plea deal to implicate Taylor in his crimes and he refuses. He continues to state she knew nothing of what he did. Again, this was completely the fault of some corrupt Louisville policemen. No one was running from the police in this instance or physically fighting officers. In this case, police broke in the door of an apartment complex where 11 of her 12 neighbors say police did not identify themselves. When the boyfriend fired, thinking they were being robbed, the officers fired a flurry of bullets hitting Taylor 6 times, who was standing in the hallway and murdering her. Then, when in custody, the Louisville Police Department releases false information to cover up their errors and the DA tries to bribe her boyfriend into implicating her in his crimes and he refuses. That is the facts, period!
Many of these social justice cases are complete B.S. and justifiable shootings. This one was not! This was clearly a case of bad cops acting on a bad order. I would personally like to see the person who ordered the no knock warrant, indicted as well.
(09-24-2020, 01:15 AM)TurndownforWatt Wrote: [ -> ]And you don't even know what case you're talking about moron.. please fill us in.
Moron
Think again. I just did fill you in with facts.
bruh, they have her on tape coordinating drug business. She had a dead body turn up in her car. The current boyfriend was another dope boy. Did u read the evidence? My gosh.
(09-24-2020, 11:53 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 08:39 AM)Sammy Wrote: [ -> ]Alright, which one of you knuckleheads hacked mikesez account? Fess up to it before other posters start thinking he might actually be normal.
I was actually wrong about the part I crossed out above. The police were looking for her,but only as a person of interest. She was suspected of helping the actual suspects of hiding money and drugs, but they weren't sure if she was naive or complicit in the suspected drug deals. It doesn't matter, though. She didn't fire at police, and she wasn't a suspect. Other details aren't relevant. She shouldn't have died.
Yes they are. She died in crossfire initiated by her boyfriend, not a murder in her sleep.
Moreover, it wasn't a no knock warrantm. They changed that order BECAUSE they didn't think she was a kingpin, etc. Tactically that was a mistake.
(09-24-2020, 07:34 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Innocent until proven guilty is reserved for the courtroom and not when someone is shooting at you.
Say it again.... say it slow.
(09-24-2020, 06:44 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2020, 06:13 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Continue to defend criminal thugs all you want. The fact of the matter is she got herself shot and killed because of her actions/associations.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
The police thought that they would find Glover's [old boyfriend's] drugs or money from drugs in that apartment.
They were wrong.
I know one of you implied that the new boyfriend must have hid or destroyed some evidence of something, but the police have no reason to believe that the new boyfriend knew anything about the old boyfriend's activities. If he was hiding something during those 20 minutes, it probably wasn't Breonna's stuff.
I don't see how any of you can imply that she got what she deserved.
She may have been involved in that stuff years ago, but all indications are that she was at least becoming uninvolved, if not uninvolved already.
Meanwhile the men with cash and drugs behind the other broken down apartment doors are still alive. Some of them are awaiting trial.
That's justice.
What Breonna got is not Justice. It's a tragedy and a mistake on the part of the police.
notice how the new dope boy boyfriend is omitted from any consideration.
