You guys are getting me worried. Now flsprtsgod is not wrong to say the current regime gets another year. Khan made the move with Coughlin and it burnt him and he seems in no rush to make big changes.
I think the GM/HC/DC maybe even OC is a biggest issue we have to deal with. Now looking at it logically, you find a GM who has a HC already in their head and fill from there. You need the GM and HC on the same page, working to the same goal. For example no point being a run first team and draft speed WR's.
I know we are a bad team and we dont have a storied history or a sleeping giant for someone to awaken. We need someone who wants to prove that they can win even fix the Jags. I dont think we will be top of many peoples lists and other places can easily take targets but who do you guys realistically think we can get?
If we are talking Garrett or Pagano etc, I see Khan sticking with Marrone or give Gruden a shot but nothing dramatic. Do we look at college? Arizona are looking better under Kingsbury. But it's always a risk and likely expensive. Gus has made me gun shy on hot shot co-ordinaties. Leftwich is spoken about highly but hes still very young.
(10-15-2020, 08:26 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 01:34 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. Everybody wants Marrone/Caldwell fired and rightfully so, but the problem is who's going to replace them? And why should we trust Khan in hiring the right guy/s to begin with?
Aint nobody worth their salt is coming here. We're likely going to have to settle for some bad retread HC, or some no name nobody has ever heard of. Maybe we get lucky and strike gold on some random no name (highly doubtful). But without a doubt, this is currently the worst franchise in the NFL and it has been one of the worst for the majority of the last 20 years. Who the hell would want to come be the HC and GM of this dumpster fire.
Lol, you get paid to run an NFL team with a young roster, a ton of draft and salary cap capital, and little pressure or interference from the owner, in a state with good weather and tax benefits. Whatever it is now those conditions are attractive.
I 100% agree with this. In 2021, this is a GREAT job. A slew of draft picks, huge cap space, low expectations, no state tax, beaches, and the weather... there would be a TON of strong GM and HC candidates wanting this job. I view it as much better than Houston (mismanaged cap disaster, no draft picks until the 3rd round, high expectations with the QB), Atlanta (aging offensive talent, a defense almost as bad as ours, high expectations, and cap problems), and Detroit (you have to live in Detroit). Our situation is similar to the Jets (a QB you're not real sure of, bad roster, multiple draft picks, and a ton of cap space), but there is more pressure to win in NYC, and the beach is a swamp. I'm just saying... we could get GREAT candidates in 2021.
However, if we wait until 2022 to fire this regime... this job doesn't look nearly as attractive. No multiple first round picks. We would likely spend a bunch of money in 2021 on free agents and we'd be stuck with those contracts without much cap space 2022. Based on current roster and history, we'd likely have about a 6-10 record in 2021 (I'm being optimistic that we'd tie DC's 2nd best season ever). Then no one worth their salt would want this job.
Enough is enough. We need to clean house after this season. The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. The 2021 off-season is critical for the next 10 years of this franchise, and its clear we need knew leadership. Will changing the GM guarantee that we are Super Bowl bound? No... but this regime has had its chances and its clear we need a new culture and direction in the building.
(10-15-2020, 01:34 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. Everybody wants Marrone/Caldwell fired and rightfully so, but the problem is who's going to replace them? And why should we trust Khan in hiring the right guy/s to begin with?
Aint nobody worth their salt is coming here. We're likely going to have to settle for some bad retread HC, or some no name nobody has ever heard of. Maybe we get lucky and strike gold on some random no name (highly doubtful). But without a doubt, this is currently the worst franchise in the NFL and it has been one of the worst for the majority of the last 20 years. Who the hell would want to come be the HC and GM of this dumpster fire.
I could see a ton of picks, a ton of cap space, and an owner who has shown extreme loyalty beyond what virtually any other owner would show as being some pretty strong selling points.
Not sure if it overcomes the stigma of the franchise and market, but I could see it being attractive.
From Ask Vic today:
Pete from Cedaredge, CO
Vic, I've been faithfully reading you since your days with the Jags; first time I've asked a question. We see teams like the Steelers and Packers, both you've also covered, have sustained periods of success. Why haven't the Jaguars had the same?
The answer lies at the quarterback position and in the draft. When Mark Brunell was in his prime years, the Jaguars had a nice run of winning. Brunell was one of the league's top quarterbacks and the Jaguars drafted star-quality players, such as Tony Boselli, Tony Brackens and Fred Taylor. The Jaguars also spent heavily in free agency, which ultimately led to the team's demise, but the point is the Jaguars had a star quarterback and a lot of talent around him. In my opinion, the draft is the second half of the answer to your question because drafting well is how you sustain winning. None of the Jaguars' first-round picks between 2010 and 2017 are with the team and several of those players were busts. The Packers are in a similar situation between 2010 and 2015, but the Packers were drafting near the bottom of the order and they have an iconic quarterback. In contrast, the Steelers have five first-round picks between 2010 and 2017 who are playing at a star-quality level, and Ryan Shazier would make it six other than for his injury. Stability at quarterback and long-term drafting success are the ingredients for sustained success.
Loftur from Columbus, OH
I think it's pretty clear the Jaguars will clean house after the season. The two most intriguing head coaching candidates in my mind are Eric Bieniemy and Joe Brady. Which one of them would you prefer?
I know nothing more about Brady than he's a good play-caller. Is that what you want in a head coach? A good play-caller? In my opinion, the Jaguars need a leader of men. They need a stable and strong personality that can provide direction for the future and become the soul and heartbeat of the franchise. Bieniemy has a reputation for being strong-willed and possessing leadership qualities. The Jaguars should pursue that kind of coach.
(10-15-2020, 01:26 PM)old_man Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2020, 01:23 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Tom Coughlin repeatedly violated the CBA, he had to be fired.
Not really...he was trying to get the Man babies in line.... Oh well spilt milk at this point....
TC was not the issue. The issue was Caldwell and Doug didn't like TC having control and started to undermind him midway in 2018 ..IMO
TC had to be fired because he broke the rules. TC is a stickler for the rules, he isn't effective if he is breaking rules and then telling the players to obey his rules. Yes I agree that TC is better than those 2, but you can't keep him employed after he did that.
(11-09-2020, 01:03 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Loftur from Columbus, OH
I think it's pretty clear the Jaguars will clean house after the season. The two most intriguing head coaching candidates in my mind are Eric Bieniemy and Joe Brady. Which one of them would you prefer?
I know nothing more about Brady than he's a good play-caller. Is that what you want in a head coach? A good play-caller? In my opinion, the Jaguars need a leader of men. They need a stable and strong personality that can provide direction for the future and become the soul and heartbeat of the franchise. Bieniemy has a reputation for being strong-willed and possessing leadership qualities. The Jaguars should pursue that kind of coach.
Vic should just shut up. We should definitely make a guy with only 1 season of experience in the NFL and as a OC the Head Coach of the Jags! success guaranteed!
I half way believe Tom and Dave will get 1 more year...They knew this year was going to be [BLEEP] when they purged the roster of all the big salary FA plus we had surprise after surprise with Covid opt outs and retiring due to health issues, the whole covid thing and relying on rookies to fill the holes left by all the departures. Now we have a [BLEEP] ton of draft picks, and cap room...
I don't see why any HC wouldnt want to come here...Who wouldnt want to be the coach/gm that was responsible for turning this around? (assuming they did actually fire Doug and Dave) But I lean toward the duo to be retained one more year. They probably just laid out a plan for next year to Mr. Khan and bypassed this years plan selling him on next year will be the point you see the 15 year plan start to come together...It has always been "next year" with these guys...Next year we will draft a good QB, oh we didnt see one we liked in the draft but next years QB class seems to be deep, and then next year comes and same [BLEEP]...