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(10-18-2020, 04:16 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:08 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Week 1 this team played with heart and effort and rode their luck but they look like theyve hit a wall. They arent good enough to stop teams and struggle scoring on teams. Brutal combination.

I think he thought this was his year to shine but the roster was gutted of talent and no preseason for all the rookies. Calais had 3 sacks today, weve had 5 all year. 

We need a full clean house but Khan HAS to get the GM call right this time.

This team has really gone downhill since Week one. It's something because prior to Week one, I had a good feeling about the team. I thought they had a good vibe to them. Their practices/training camp seemed exciting and after they beat the Colts, people were optimistic they could be competitive this year. But they've really sunk since then. Week 2 they were still okay in spite of the loss. But after Week 3, it's just been one brutal loss after another. I do think that the team constantly getting down multiple scores (largely due to the defense) has helped squeeze the life out of this team.

And truth be told, I hold Gruden somewhat responsible as well. I feel like he's not running the offense as well as they could run. Granted it's not his fault that the defense keeps putting the team in a hole, but I feel like he's not maximizing the offensive talent on this team. If he had I believe this team would have more wins. Granted the offense can't carry this team to a ton of wins, on a deep run, but they are good enough to get the team more wins.

I think prior to this game, had the offense run better the Jags would have been 2-3 or maybe even 3-2. But Jay has kept making the same mistakes over and over again these past few weeks and saying he's going to change things but he hasn't done much of that. So now not only is the defense still bad, the offense has regressed. It's rough to watch.

That’s great and all about the defense but they showed a graphic early in the game today. Our first possessions of the last 6 games looked like-

Punt
Punt
Int
Punt
Int
Punt

That tells you it’s not just defense that causes us to go into a hole early.

Now Doug is saying this:

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...2925710338

This team is in a lot of trouble right now and Doug seems determined to go down with Todd on a sinking ship. I do feel like if things were shaken up and some people were let go, that could help the team. Look at how much more lively, competitive Houston has been since Bill O'Brien has been let go.

(10-18-2020, 04:16 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:08 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Week 1 this team played with heart and effort and rode their luck but they look like theyve hit a wall. They arent good enough to stop teams and struggle scoring on teams. Brutal combination.

I think he thought this was his year to shine but the roster was gutted of talent and no preseason for all the rookies. Calais had 3 sacks today, weve had 5 all year. 

We need a full clean house but Khan HAS to get the GM call right this time.

This team has really gone downhill since Week one. It's something because prior to Week one, I had a good feeling about the team. I thought they had a good vibe to them. Their practices/training camp seemed exciting and after they beat the Colts, people were optimistic they could be competitive this year. But they've really sunk since then. Week 2 they were still okay in spite of the loss. But after Week 3, it's just been one brutal loss after another. I do think that the team constantly getting down multiple scores (largely due to the defense) has helped squeeze the life out of this team.

And truth be told, I hold Gruden somewhat responsible as well. I feel like he's not running the offense as well as they could run. Granted it's not his fault that the defense keeps putting the team in a hole, but I feel like he's not maximizing the offensive talent on this team. If he had I believe this team would have more wins. Granted the offense can't carry this team to a ton of wins, on a deep run, but they are good enough to get the team more wins.

I think prior to this game, had the offense run better the Jags would have been 2-3 or maybe even 3-2. But Jay has kept making the same mistakes over and over again these past few weeks and saying he's going to change things but he hasn't done much of that. So now not only is the defense still bad, the offense has regressed. It's rough to watch.

Completely agree. I hate to be that guy defending Minshew again but hes thrown over 40 times in the 5 straight losses. We throw on 66% of plays, highest in the league. I get why, they are panicking but that's not our O. 

Lions been giving up 170yds rushing a game and we had 41yds today! We seem to have one strategy and if that doesnt work we are stumped. The team look like they dont believe they can win, like you say the big deficits early in games is 'here we go again'.

And I dont see how we fix it this year.

The only thing week 1 showed us, which we are finding out now, is that the Colts are actually bad too.

(10-18-2020, 04:22 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:16 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]This team has really gone downhill since Week one. It's something because prior to Week one, I had a good feeling about the team. I thought they had a good vibe to them. Their practices/training camp seemed exciting and after they beat the Colts, people were optimistic they could be competitive this year. But they've really sunk since then. Week 2 they were still okay in spite of the loss. But after Week 3, it's just been one brutal loss after another. I do think that the team constantly getting down multiple scores (largely due to the defense) has helped squeeze the life out of this team.

And truth be told, I hold Gruden somewhat responsible as well. I feel like he's not running the offense as well as they could run. Granted it's not his fault that the defense keeps putting the team in a hole, but I feel like he's not maximizing the offensive talent on this team. If he had I believe this team would have more wins. Granted the offense can't carry this team to a ton of wins, on a deep run, but they are good enough to get the team more wins.

I think prior to this game, had the offense run better the Jags would have been 2-3 or maybe even 3-2. But Jay has kept making the same mistakes over and over again these past few weeks and saying he's going to change things but he hasn't done much of that. So now not only is the defense still bad, the offense has regressed. It's rough to watch.

Completely agree. I hate to be that guy defending Minshew again but hes thrown over 40 times in the 5 straight losses. We throw on 66% of plays, highest in the league. I get why, they are panicking but that's not our O. 

Lions been giving up 170yds rushing a game and we had 41yds today! We seem to have one strategy and if that doesnt work we are stumped. The team look like they dont believe they can win, like you say the big deficits early in games is 'here we go again'.

And I dont see how we fix it this year.

The problem isn’t so simple. Teams know to key up on the run and focus on shutting our run game down. They don’t respect our passing game because Minshew is a back up QB. We tried to run today and it got stuffed!

(10-18-2020, 04:22 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:16 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]This team has really gone downhill since Week one. It's something because prior to Week one, I had a good feeling about the team. I thought they had a good vibe to them. Their practices/training camp seemed exciting and after they beat the Colts, people were optimistic they could be competitive this year. But they've really sunk since then. Week 2 they were still okay in spite of the loss. But after Week 3, it's just been one brutal loss after another. I do think that the team constantly getting down multiple scores (largely due to the defense) has helped squeeze the life out of this team.

And truth be told, I hold Gruden somewhat responsible as well. I feel like he's not running the offense as well as they could run. Granted it's not his fault that the defense keeps putting the team in a hole, but I feel like he's not maximizing the offensive talent on this team. If he had I believe this team would have more wins. Granted the offense can't carry this team to a ton of wins, on a deep run, but they are good enough to get the team more wins.

I think prior to this game, had the offense run better the Jags would have been 2-3 or maybe even 3-2. But Jay has kept making the same mistakes over and over again these past few weeks and saying he's going to change things but he hasn't done much of that. So now not only is the defense still bad, the offense has regressed. It's rough to watch.

Completely agree. I hate to be that guy defending Minshew again but hes thrown over 40 times in the 5 straight losses. We throw on 66% of plays, highest in the league. I get why, they are panicking but that's not our O. 

Lions been giving up 170yds rushing a game and we had 41yds today! We seem to have one strategy and if that doesnt work we are stumped. The team look like they dont believe they can win, like you say the big deficits early in games is 'here we go again'.

And I dont see how we fix it this year.

And Jay keeps saying the same thing every week. That the team shouldn't be throwing so much and that he feels bad about abandoning the run. And yet it still keeps happening. I'm to the point to where I don't really trust Jay anymore either. He's not doing his best to help this offense succeed. He did in the first two games, but after that they have regressed, in spite of some continued and promising play from people like James Robinson. 

I did see in another thread someone speculate if Jay was trying to sabotage the team. I'm not sure about that, but something isn't right here with the way he's been calling these games. Granted he could be finding himself constantly being concerned about the team going down multiple times. And that is why he keeps throwing the ball a lot, but he needs to stop resorting to that. And do what is more effective for this team in a game. Which the last few games should have been running the ball. Yet Jay really hasn't been doing that.

He needs to focus more on making sure the offense is effective as possible and believe it or not, not worry as much about the defense. That should be Todd/Doug's job. Jay needs to try and make the offense as smooth and effective as possible. If he had done that, I think this team has at least a couple of more wins. (The Texans game, and maybe another one). If Jay does a good job of maximizing the offense's talent, he could end up with another head coaching job sooner, than later. Maybe the Jags or someone else. 

I wonder if he's already become tired of working for the Jags and isn't caring as much about what happens with this team. Something just doesn't seem right about his play calling these past few games.

(10-18-2020, 04:26 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:22 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree. I hate to be that guy defending Minshew again but hes thrown over 40 times in the 5 straight losses. We throw on 66% of plays, highest in the league. I get why, they are panicking but that's not our O. 

Lions been giving up 170yds rushing a game and we had 41yds today! We seem to have one strategy and if that doesnt work we are stumped. The team look like they dont believe they can win, like you say the big deficits early in games is 'here we go again'.

And I dont see how we fix it this year.

The problem isn’t so simple. Teams know to key up on the run and focus on shutting our run game down. They don’t respect our passing game because Minshew is a back up QB. We tried to run today and it got stuffed!

Oh of course, I dont think theres any part of football we are playing at a professional standard. So many times you see teams just send 5 as they know one will get through and just play tight man and the WR's wont get open before the pressure gets home. Doesnt need to be some exotic look or disguise.

(10-18-2020, 04:21 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]Now Doug is saying this:

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...2925710338

This team is in a lot of trouble right now and Doug seems determined to go down with Todd on a sinking ship. I do feel like if things were shaken up and some people were let go, that could help the team. Look at how much more lively, competitive Houston has been since Bill O'Brien has been let go.

(10-18-2020, 04:31 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:22 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree. I hate to be that guy defending Minshew again but hes thrown over 40 times in the 5 straight losses. We throw on 66% of plays, highest in the league. I get why, they are panicking but that's not our O. 

Lions been giving up 170yds rushing a game and we had 41yds today! We seem to have one strategy and if that doesnt work we are stumped. The team look like they dont believe they can win, like you say the big deficits early in games is 'here we go again'.

And I dont see how we fix it this year.

And Jay keeps saying the same thing every week. That the team shouldn't be throwing so much and that he feels bad about abandoning the run. And yet it still keeps happening. I'm to the point to where I don't really trust Jay anymore either. He's not doing his best to help this offense succeed. He did in the first two games, but after that they have regressed, in spite of some continued and promising play from people like James Robinson. 

I did see in another thread someone speculate if Jay was trying to sabotage the team. I'm not sure about that, but something isn't right here with the way he's been calling these games. Granted he could be finding himself constantly being concerned about the team going down multiple times. And that is why he keeps throwing the ball a lot, but he needs to stop resorting to that. And do what is more effective for this team in a game. Which the last few games should have been running the ball. Yet Jay really hasn't been doing that.

He needs to focus more on making sure the offense is effective as possible and believe it or not, not worry as much about the defense. That should be Todd/Doug's job. Jay needs to try and make the offense as smooth and effective as possible. If he had done that, I think this team has at least a couple of more wins. (The Texans game, and maybe another one). If Jay does a good job of maximizing the offense's talent, he could end up with another head coaching job sooner, than later. Maybe the Jags or someone else. 

I wonder if he's already become tired of working for the Jags and isn't caring as much about what happens with this team. Something just doesn't seem right about his play calling these past few games.

Really agree with you here. He does seem to let the score and situation take over his play calling. He has his system, we dont have to score straight away but if you just keep putting something on the scoreboard. The kicker situation has really not helped and some of those misses have come back to hurt us but I couldnt tell you what our O system really is right now. There is talent and I'd hoped to see more plays for Shenault and using weapons to get favorable matchups for the WR's.

The shine has come off the Gruden apple since Cincinnati. There was a shot at the end of the Miami game and it looked like a guy who realised what hes taken on. I wouldnt say he wants the HC job for any reason than having a job. Is he thinking the Marrone stink is going to land on him too?

(10-18-2020, 04:21 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]Now Doug is saying this:

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...2925710338

This team is in a lot of trouble right now and Doug seems determined to go down with Todd on a sinking ship. I do feel like if things were shaken up and some people were let go, that could help the team. Look at how much more lively, competitive Houston has been since Bill O'Brien has been let go.

I think I hate Doug more than I hated Gus...that fat [BLEEP] needs to go.

(10-18-2020, 04:43 PM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:21 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]Now Doug is saying this:

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...2925710338

This team is in a lot of trouble right now and Doug seems determined to go down with Todd on a sinking ship. I do feel like if things were shaken up and some people were let go, that could help the team. Look at how much more lively, competitive Houston has been since Bill O'Brien has been let go.

I think I hate Doug more than I hated Gus...that fat [BLEEP] needs to go.

Ice cream & sprinkles > bologna

(10-18-2020, 04:42 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:31 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]And Jay keeps saying the same thing every week. That the team shouldn't be throwing so much and that he feels bad about abandoning the run. And yet it still keeps happening. I'm to the point to where I don't really trust Jay anymore either. He's not doing his best to help this offense succeed. He did in the first two games, but after that they have regressed, in spite of some continued and promising play from people like James Robinson. 

I did see in another thread someone speculate if Jay was trying to sabotage the team. I'm not sure about that, but something isn't right here with the way he's been calling these games. Granted he could be finding himself constantly being concerned about the team going down multiple times. And that is why he keeps throwing the ball a lot, but he needs to stop resorting to that. And do what is more effective for this team in a game. Which the last few games should have been running the ball. Yet Jay really hasn't been doing that.

He needs to focus more on making sure the offense is effective as possible and believe it or not, not worry as much about the defense. That should be Todd/Doug's job. Jay needs to try and make the offense as smooth and effective as possible. If he had done that, I think this team has at least a couple of more wins. (The Texans game, and maybe another one). If Jay does a good job of maximizing the offense's talent, he could end up with another head coaching job sooner, than later. Maybe the Jags or someone else. 

I wonder if he's already become tired of working for the Jags and isn't caring as much about what happens with this team. Something just doesn't seem right about his play calling these past few games.

Really agree with you here. He does seem to let the score and situation take over his play calling. He has his system, we dont have to score straight away but if you just keep putting something on the scoreboard. The kicker situation has really not helped and some of those misses have come back to hurt us but I couldnt tell you what our O system really is right now. There is talent and I'd hoped to see more plays for Shenault and using weapons to get favorable matchups for the WR's.

The shine has come off the Gruden apple since Cincinnati. There was a shot at the end of the Miami game and it looked like a guy who realised what hes taken on. I wouldnt say he wants the HC job for any reason than having a job. Is he thinking the Marrone stink is going to land on him too?

I would like to see Shenault used more. He has done some impressive things when he's been featured. I would also like to see more from our Tight Ends, though Tyler has been dealing with injury the past couple of games. Speaking of injuries this team is dealing with some and that's having an impact on things as well. Though, there are other teams who are dealing with a lot of injuries/missing players as well and they have looked more competitive than us, recently. (Like the Chargers).

Unfortunately, IMO, Jay doesn't seem to be caring that much right now. And truth be told, by reading his comments I think neither does Doug.

But if things don't change, it's going to continue to be really ugly for the Jags. Sad thing is as bad as they've played, I think they are a better team than what this record shows. There is enough talent on the offense for a couple of extra wins.

Changes need to be made, and someone needs to provide some sort of spark to help this team.  At this point, there isn't much positive I can say/hope about the Jags somehow possibly salvaging this season. Other than that last season Miami was really bad early on (and had embarrassing losses). But towards the end of the season they turned things around and won like 5 of like 8 games, giving the team some hope. Could the Jags do something like that, right now it doesn't really look like it. But maybe they can generate some sort of spark somewhere and stop playing so demoralized.

I can't believe we actually had people arguing on this board that Chark was going to be a Pro Bowl receiver this year.  

(10-18-2020, 04:00 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 03:58 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Man, Minshew looks so low.

It's not all on him.  This team just blows with lack of talent and inept coaching from top to bottom.

(10-18-2020, 04:03 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:01 PM)uthill Wrote: [ -> ]Team doesn't play hard because the QB sucks.

You can't put it all on Minshew, our O-Line sucks, the defense sucks, we maybe have 4 good players, Minshew, Robinson, Chark and Cole Sr

Well if you watched the presser, Chark sure seemed to indicate that.

(10-18-2020, 05:06 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe we actually had people arguing on this board that Chark was going to be a Pro Bowl receiver this year.  

DJ Chark is a good player and made the Pro Bowl last year. I could see him making it again at some point. It's not his fault that the team is struggling. He's still a good deep threat for the team and he's been dealing with injury.

(10-18-2020, 04:56 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 04:42 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Really agree with you here. He does seem to let the score and situation take over his play calling. He has his system, we dont have to score straight away but if you just keep putting something on the scoreboard. The kicker situation has really not helped and some of those misses have come back to hurt us but I couldnt tell you what our O system really is right now. There is talent and I'd hoped to see more plays for Shenault and using weapons to get favorable matchups for the WR's.

The shine has come off the Gruden apple since Cincinnati. There was a shot at the end of the Miami game and it looked like a guy who realised what hes taken on. I wouldnt say he wants the HC job for any reason than having a job. Is he thinking the Marrone stink is going to land on him too?

I would like to see Shenault used more. He has done some impressive things when he's been featured. I would also like to see more from our Tight Ends, though Tyler has been dealing with injury the past couple of games. Speaking of injuries this team is dealing with some and that's having an impact on things as well. Though, there are other teams who are dealing with a lot of injuries/missing players as well and they have looked more competitive than us, recently. (Like the Chargers).

Unfortunately, IMO, Jay doesn't seem to be caring that much right now. And truth be told, by reading his comments I think neither does Doug.

But if things don't change, it's going to continue to be really ugly for the Jags. Sad thing is as bad as they've played, I think they are a better team than what this record shows. There is enough talent on the offense for a couple of extra wins.

Changes need to be made, and someone needs to provide some sort of spark to help this team.  At this point, there isn't much positive I can say/hope about the Jags somehow possibly salvaging this season. Other than that last season Miami was really bad early on (and had embarrassing losses). But towards the end of the season they turned things around and won like 5 of like 8 games, giving the team some hope. Could the Jags do something like that, right now it doesn't really look like it. But maybe they can generate some sort of spark somewhere and stop playing so demoralized.

Of all my issues with Marrone and Wash, top of that list is I dont feel they improve players. I look at other teams bring in guys off the street and they know what they want from them. Our system is so confusing that no one seems to get it but Wash.

I've forgotten about tight ends. Almost non existent for our O right now. I've forgotten if Oliver is injured again. 

I never see people getting angry or trying to demand better of each other, this team really misses Calais in that locker room. I cant see it getting much better either. We had our bye moved so are playing the Chargers next week, if Khan is going to make a move, that will surely be it.

My fear is we go safe with GM and HC, like Garrett. I'd love to see Khan roll the dice, try and get a Romo or Peyton as GM. I know it will never happen but the GM hire is so so important.

(10-18-2020, 05:08 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-18-2020, 05:06 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe we actually had people arguing on this board that Chark was going to be a Pro Bowl receiver this year.  

DJ Chark is a good player and made the Pro Bowl last year. I could see him making it again at some point. It's not his fault that the team is struggling. He's still a good deep threat for the team and he's been dealing with injury.

He wasn't a real Pro Bowler... he went to the Pro Bowl after like 4-5 guys opted out.  Mitch Trubisky was a "Pro Bowler" before too. He is not even a Top 20 WR in this League right now. He's currently ranked 48th in receiving yards and won't be in the Top 50 by the end of the weekend.