(12-17-2020, 03:00 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2020, 07:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Ugh! No TV guys. When he was Director of Pro Personnel for the Redskins they made some horrendous draft picks. He got better when he held that position with the Eagles, but they didn't draft very well until the end of his tenure.
What's the Director of Pro Personnel have to do with making the draft picks?
He's part of the team. You don't honestly believe a GM makes the pick solely by himself? He has a bunch of front office people giving their input.
Is Riddick the Rooney interview or a real candidate?
(12-16-2020, 07:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2020, 07:14 PM)newporttom Wrote: [ -> ]According to Shefter and Mortensen
One other note on MNF analyst Louis Riddick: Jacksonville has expressed interest in setting up a meeting with him about its GM job, but nothing has been scheduled, per
@mortreport
and me.
Ugh! No TV guys. When he was Director of Pro Personnel for the Redskins they made some horrendous draft picks. He got better when he held that position with the Eagles, but they didn't draft very well until the end of his tenure.
He's not a "TV guy" anymore than Gruden was a "TV guy" or Cowher is now a "TV guy" They are football guys.
Louis Riddick has a solid resume. And was never the guy making the calls at the top. He was one part of a machine. Also, he was working on the "pro personnel" side. Which means he mostly scouted free agents and who to retain within the organization.
He had probably very little to do with the drafting of college guys within either org. However, from his time on TV his draft analysis and overall analysis of many players and teams has been pretty spot on.
But feel free to dig in your heels on this opinion too. I for one have been banging the Louis Riddick drum for a couple years now and would love to have him in our front office.
(12-17-2020, 03:00 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2020, 07:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Ugh! No TV guys. When he was Director of Pro Personnel for the Redskins they made some horrendous draft picks. He got better when he held that position with the Eagles, but they didn't draft very well until the end of his tenure.
What's the Director of Pro Personnel have to do with making the draft picks?
Nothing.
(12-17-2020, 03:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2020, 03:00 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]What's the Director of Pro Personnel have to do with making the draft picks?
He's part of the team. You don't honestly believe a GM makes the pick solely by himself? He has a bunch of front office people giving their input.
He has college scouts giving him info. Then works with the coaches (usually) to make the best decisions for the team.
I don't think he ever says "hey guy who's been watching the free agents and waiver wire, who you like from Clemson this year?" lol
I certainly wouldn't put the bad drafting of the mid 2000s Skins on Louis. Considering the chain of command was Snyder, and then an asst GM and then some other guys and then Louis Riddick
Same for the Iggles it was Heckert and Roseman as GMs and then somewhere down the line comes the director of pro personnel.
Fact is... within two orgs. Riddick worked from scout to director of pro personnel within a few years. He's a former player and his time on TV has allowed him to get an eagle eye view of the league, the changes and trends. He's smart and well respected.
Not sure why you have such a problem with his name being floated. Unless you're just stuck on whatever name you plucked from some underling position in some currently successful franchise.
Just remember, we plucked Caldwell from a very successful (at the time) Atlanta team. How'd that work out for us?
(12-17-2020, 04:49 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Is Riddick the Rooney interview or a real candidate?
He is a real candidate imo. He was a finalist for the Giants job last year and I think he has a legit shot to get a job this year if he wants it.
(12-17-2020, 10:24 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2020, 03:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]He's part of the team. You don't honestly believe a GM makes the pick solely by himself? He has a bunch of front office people giving their input.
He has college scouts giving him info. Then works with the coaches (usually) to make the best decisions for the team.
I don't think he ever says "hey guy who's been watching the free agents and waiver wire, who you like from Clemson this year?" lol
I certainly wouldn't put the bad drafting of the mid 2000s Skins on Louis. Considering the chain of command was Snyder, and then an asst GM and then some other guys and then Louis Riddick
Same for the Iggles it was Heckert and Roseman as GMs and then somewhere down the line comes the director of pro personnel.
Fact is... within two orgs. Riddick worked from scout to director of pro personnel within a few years. He's a former player and his time on TV has allowed him to get an eagle eye view of the league, the changes and trends. He's smart and well respected.
Not sure why you have such a problem with his name being floated. Unless you're just stuck on whatever name you plucked from some underling position in some currently successful franchise.
Just remember, we plucked Caldwell from a very successful (at the time) Atlanta team. How'd that work out for us?
I certainly didn't mean to make it sound like I was putting it all on him. If that's the way it sounded, that's my bad. I just meant that he was part of a group that made some pretty bad picks.
I have issues with Riddick because I largely disagree with many of his draft analysis' in past years. He and I differ on what traits a franchise QB should have. I'll admit that that is the bias I have against him. When it comes to past QB prospects, I believe he overvalues athleticism and running ability in QB's and that is my main gripe. Those are traits that are on the bottom of my list. I put instincts, accuracy and the ability to make good reads above everything else.
I really don't have any one particular name in mind for the GM position. I'd still like to see Eric Bieniemy get the HC position, but as far as GM, I like Ed Dodds, but I'm certainly not stuck on him being the only candidate. There are a lot of talented candidates out there.
Heard the team is interviewing Don Scruopdepiks for the GM position today.
(12-17-2020, 11:57 AM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Heard the team is interviewing Don Scruopdepiks for the GM position today.
That sounds like a scrotum disease. Or optimistically maybe he has high testosterone levels to energize him for the job.
(12-17-2020, 04:49 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Is Riddick the Rooney interview or a real candidate?
username/comment synergy is strong with this one.
(12-17-2020, 10:24 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2020, 03:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]He's part of the team. You don't honestly believe a GM makes the pick solely by himself? He has a bunch of front office people giving their input.
He has college scouts giving him info. Then works with the coaches (usually) to make the best decisions for the team.
I don't think he ever says "hey guy who's been watching the free agents and waiver wire, who you like from Clemson this year?" lol
I certainly wouldn't put the bad drafting of the mid 2000s Skins on Louis. Considering the chain of command was Snyder, and then an asst GM and then some other guys and then Louis Riddick
Same for the Iggles it was Heckert and Roseman as GMs and then somewhere down the line comes the director of pro personnel.
Fact is... within two orgs. Riddick worked from scout to director of pro personnel within a few years. He's a former player and his time on TV has allowed him to get an eagle eye view of the league, the changes and trends. He's smart and well respected.
Not sure why you have such a problem with his name being floated. Unless you're just stuck on whatever name you plucked from some underling position in some currently successful franchise.
Just remember, we plucked Caldwell from a very successful (at the time) Atlanta team. How'd that work out for us?
Lol exactly.
And even if he gave input he certainly has zero final say over the final pick. Riddick might've been flipping tables for the best prospect in the draft for all we know.
(12-17-2020, 10:41 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2020, 10:24 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]He has college scouts giving him info. Then works with the coaches (usually) to make the best decisions for the team.
I don't think he ever says "hey guy who's been watching the free agents and waiver wire, who you like from Clemson this year?" lol
I certainly wouldn't put the bad drafting of the mid 2000s Skins on Louis. Considering the chain of command was Snyder, and then an asst GM and then some other guys and then Louis Riddick
Same for the Iggles it was Heckert and Roseman as GMs and then somewhere down the line comes the director of pro personnel.
Fact is... within two orgs. Riddick worked from scout to director of pro personnel within a few years. He's a former player and his time on TV has allowed him to get an eagle eye view of the league, the changes and trends. He's smart and well respected.
Not sure why you have such a problem with his name being floated. Unless you're just stuck on whatever name you plucked from some underling position in some currently successful franchise.
Just remember, we plucked Caldwell from a very successful (at the time) Atlanta team. How'd that work out for us?
I certainly didn't mean to make it sound like I was putting it all on him. If that's the way it sounded, that's my bad. I just meant that he was part of a group that made some pretty bad picks.
I have issues with Riddick because I largely disagree with many of his draft analysis' in past years. He and I differ on what traits a franchise QB should have. I'll admit that that is the bias I have against him. When it comes to past QB prospects, I believe he overvalues athleticism and running ability in QB's and that is my main gripe. Those are traits that are on the bottom of my list. I put instincts, accuracy and the ability to make good reads above everything else.
I really don't have any one particular name in mind for the GM position. I'd still like to see Eric Bieniemy get the HC position, but as far as GM, I like Ed Dodds, but I'm certainly not stuck on him being the only candidate. There are a lot of talented candidates out there.
Bro: Does Louis know your feelings here? It sounds like you guys have been friends for years. Perhaps you should pull him aside and have a heart to heart. No reason to let this difference of opinion wreck a beautiful friendship. It will just eat you up inside. I plead with you -- don't carry this grudge into 2021. I don't want that for you, man.
(12-17-2020, 04:39 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2020, 10:41 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I certainly didn't mean to make it sound like I was putting it all on him. If that's the way it sounded, that's my bad. I just meant that he was part of a group that made some pretty bad picks.
I have issues with Riddick because I largely disagree with many of his draft analysis' in past years. He and I differ on what traits a franchise QB should have. I'll admit that that is the bias I have against him. When it comes to past QB prospects, I believe he overvalues athleticism and running ability in QB's and that is my main gripe. Those are traits that are on the bottom of my list. I put instincts, accuracy and the ability to make good reads above everything else.
I really don't have any one particular name in mind for the GM position. I'd still like to see Eric Bieniemy get the HC position, but as far as GM, I like Ed Dodds, but I'm certainly not stuck on him being the only candidate. There are a lot of talented candidates out there.
Bro: Does Louis know your feelings here? It sounds like you guys have been friends for years. Perhaps you should pull him aside and have a heart to heart. No reason to let this difference of opinion wreck a beautiful friendship. It will just eat you up inside. I plead with you -- don't carry this grudge into 2021. I don't want that for you, man.
What are you even talking about?
Who ever they get I do hope he doesn't fall into the traps past GM's here have. We had a free wheeling ego GM, a GM who appeared to take the most enjoyment out of finding small school players, and one that took players a lot earlier than needed only because they were afraid someone told them they MIGHT take them. Also, not being afraid of drafting a certain position for fear of upsetting the confidence of the incumbent player.
He should hold the head coach accountable for developing the players he has. Maybe develop some metrics? We have had a lot of players that under performed here be developed by other coaching staffs and prove to be pretty good.
I will advise you guys that despite my total lack of knowledge of who would be a good GM for this franchise I am amazed no one from the Jags have called me for my opinion...
What is going on with this team? Are there any interviews scheduled? Other teams have interviews scheduled. Why don't we?
(12-18-2020, 12:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]What is going on with this team? Are there any interviews scheduled? Other teams have interviews scheduled. Why don't we?
Well.... if the recent rumor is to be believed... They want to hire a new HC (or keep Marrone) and then match a GM to him.
So... guess we won't know anything until Black Monday or Blue Tuesday (blue, sad, keeping Marrone, get it? lol)
(12-18-2020, 01:14 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2020, 12:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]What is going on with this team? Are there any interviews scheduled? Other teams have interviews scheduled. Why don't we?
Well.... if the recent rumor is to be believed... They want to hire a new HC (or keep Marrone) and then match a GM to him.
So... guess we won't know anything until Black Monday or Blue Tuesday (blue, sad, keeping Marrone, get it? lol)
If that's true, it would just go to show what a messed up organization this is.
(12-18-2020, 12:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]What is going on with this team? Are there any interviews scheduled? Other teams have interviews scheduled. Why don't we?
They can only interview people who aren't employed in the league right now.
I'd bet the majority of their list is comprised of people who are currently employed in front offices around the league and they have to wait until the regular season is officially over to interview/request interviews with them.
(11-25-2020, 10:37 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]I have no interest in doing this horse and pony show of changing the GM and coach again. We have done that so many times. We just need a QB every year till we have one.
There’s a reason no team even attempts this. Only some fans think this is a good idea, which is why none of us have anywhere near a shot at being a decent GM.
You guys crack me up sometimes....
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