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Please no to Rick Smith. He is as average as average comes in regards to building a team. And he is really bad at coaching hires which will be the BIGGEST decision the GM will have to make this off season.

(12-24-2020, 12:27 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Please no to Rick Smith. He is as average as average comes in regards to building a team. And he is really bad at coaching hires which will be the BIGGEST decision the GM will have to make this off season.

I can understand your argument.  I don't think he gets enough out of mid to late round picks, and has had some bad misses at DT most notably, and G as well.
Those mid to late round picks are critical.  They fill out your roster with role players and help to keep the costs down.  Not that the AFCS was like the late 90s early 90s NFC East, but he won the division more than once.

What tips the scales in his favor for me is that I think if you are going to hit, hit on the first round picks.

He has hit HUGE on first round picks.  If he gets guys like Deandre Hopkins, Deshaun Watson and JJ Watt, you can't get three bigger guys than that.

Only Bucky Brooks would be worse than Riddick.

If we hire Riddick...

We haven't met with any good GM candidates yet

(12-24-2020, 07:54 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We haven't met with any good GM candidates yet

True. Once certain guys' teams are eliminated from the playoffs, then we'll get to the serious candidates.

(12-24-2020, 08:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-24-2020, 07:54 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We haven't met with any good GM candidates yet

True. Once certain guys' teams are eliminated from the playoffs, then we'll get to the serious candidates.

Bill bilechick seems like an average coach without Brady.  Maybe he retires and takes the GM job in Ajax. See what he can do the next decade with Lawrence.  Is that asking too much? Probably.  I’ll settle waking up Christmas morning knowing we currently have the number one pick for the time being.

Bill Belichick is a career 46 and 67 without Brady.

Reese is the worst idea I've heard yet.

(12-24-2020, 09:11 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-24-2020, 08:55 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]True. Once certain guys' teams are eliminated from the playoffs, then we'll get to the serious candidates.

Bill bilechick seems like an average coach without Brady.  Maybe he retires and takes the GM job in Ajax. See what he can do the next decade with Lawrence.  Is that asking too much? Probably.  I’ll settle waking up Christmas morning knowing we currently have the number one pick for the time being.

Gross, no.

(12-27-2020, 01:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...86336?s=19

No thanks to anyone looking for a "landing spot".

I'm in the "Don't screw it up" school, so I am leaning towards a GM with experience.   I think Rick Smith would be good.  Jerry Reese would be fine.   With TL coming on board, and a boatload of draft picks, and loads of cap space, we have one shot to get this right, and I don't want anyone who might screw it up, so I prefer the high-floor/low ceiling type of candidate instead of the "roll-the-dice-this-guy-might-be-great" candidate who has no GM experience.  

But let's all keep in mind that we are not in the interview room when these guys come in a lay out a plan for the future of this team.  Also, let's realize, intelligent people learn from their mistakes, and these are intelligent people who are applying for this job.

One other thing- all GM jobs are different, and with an owner like Shad Khan who likes to turn things over to someone and walk away for a few years, as he is apparently prone to doing, the GM job in Jacksonville is a bigger job than in some other cities.  We need someone who can handle a wide-ranging portfolio, way beyond just making the right draft picks.

(12-24-2020, 09:11 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Bill bilechick seems like an average coach without Brady.  Maybe he retires and takes the GM job in Ajax. See what he can do the next decade with Lawrence.  Is that asking too much? Probably.  I’ll settle waking up Christmas morning knowing we currently have the number one pick for the time being.

Belicheck is a great coach, but a horrible GM.  Brady covered up a lot of the personnel mismanagement.

(12-30-2020, 10:02 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-24-2020, 09:11 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Bill bilechick seems like an average coach without Brady.  Maybe he retires and takes the GM job in Ajax. See what he can do the next decade with Lawrence.  Is that asking too much? Probably.  I’ll settle waking up Christmas morning knowing we currently have the number one pick for the time being.

Belicheck is a great coach, but a horrible GM.  Brady covered up a lot of the personnel mismanagement.

Is he though? It's been pointed out that he's right under .500 without Brady. I'd say he's above average, but great? I'm having doubts. I'm even having doubts on him being "above average" these days.

(12-30-2020, 08:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm in the "Don't screw it up" school, so I am leaning towards a GM with experience.   I think Rick Smith would be good.  Jerry Reese would be fine.   With TL coming on board, and a boatload of draft picks, and loads of cap space, we have one shot to get this right, and I don't want anyone who might screw it up, so I prefer the high-floor/low ceiling type of candidate instead of the "roll-the-dice-this-guy-might-be-great" candidate who has no GM experience.  

But let's all keep in mind that we are not in the interview room when these guys come in a lay out a plan for the future of this team.  Also, let's realize, intelligent people learn from their mistakes, and these are intelligent people who are applying for this job.

One other thing- all GM jobs are different, and with an owner like Shad Khan who likes to turn things over to someone and walk away for a few years, as he is apparently prone to doing, the GM job in Jacksonville is a bigger job than in some other cities.  We need someone who can handle a wide-ranging portfolio, way beyond just making the right draft picks.

I don’t think Khan will be as hands off from now on. With a world beater QB inbound and a chance to establish a winning culture, which in turn provides greater potential for Lot J and a stadium upgrade, he’ll be more involved and demanding. 

With these probable gains coupled with a lose-weary, dwindling and disgruntled fan base, the next GM will be under greater scrutiny. Khan has more to lose now than ever.

(12-30-2020, 10:25 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 10:02 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Belicheck is a great coach, but a horrible GM.  Brady covered up a lot of the personnel mismanagement.

Is he though? It's been pointed out that he's right under .500 without Brady. I'd say he's above average, but great? I'm having doubts. I'm even having doubts on him being "above average" these days.

Didn’t he go 10-6 with Cassell and then 4-0 when Brady was suspended?

Cam has been horrendous this year and they have the worst skill position players in the league.

The dude has been to 9 SBs.... he’s a great coach.

(12-30-2020, 10:25 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 10:02 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Belicheck is a great coach, but a horrible GM.  Brady covered up a lot of the personnel mismanagement.

Is he though? It's been pointed out that he's right under .500 without Brady. I'd say he's above average, but great? I'm having doubts. I'm even having doubts on him being "above average" these days.

He's been a pretty good coach in the manner of taking away what the other team does well. Basically unbeatable against rookie QBs.
They still managed a 10 win team that year Brady tore his ACL... 

I'm not ready to give Brady all the credit but he probably deserves most of it. But elite QBs make coaches records better, that's nothing new. I think Belicheck could still be a very good coach. But I'm definitely not feeling Belicheck the GM.

(12-30-2020, 10:55 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 10:25 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Is he though? It's been pointed out that he's right under .500 without Brady. I'd say he's above average, but great? I'm having doubts. I'm even having doubts on him being "above average" these days.

He's been a pretty good coach in the manner of taking away what the other team does well. Basically unbeatable against rookie QBs.
They still managed a 10 win team that year Brady tore his ACL... 

I'm not ready to give Brady all the credit but he probably deserves most of it. But elite QBs make coaches records better, that's nothing new. I think Belicheck could still be a very good coach. But I'm definitely not feeling Belicheck the GM.

They went 11-5 the Cassel year.

(12-30-2020, 10:52 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2020, 10:25 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Is he though? It's been pointed out that he's right under .500 without Brady. I'd say he's above average, but great? I'm having doubts. I'm even having doubts on him being "above average" these days.

Didn’t he go 10-6 with Cassell and then 4-0 when Brady was suspended?

Cam has been horrendous this year and they have the worst skill position players in the league.

The dude has been to 9 SBs.... he’s a great coach.

Sure, but Marrone also went 10-6 with Bortles.

Just saying his track record long-term without Brady isn't good is all.

I'm not outright saying he's a bad coach, but I think it's fair to scrutinize his career performance without Brady. As a GM, I'll flat out say I think he's bad. Worse than Caldwell (Who I actually don't think is THAT bad besides first rounders)