(12-06-2020, 09:03 PM)IndyJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I absolutely agree that this coaches staff sandbagged Minshew. He looked every bit the franchise QB the first three games- even allowing for an off game against the Dolphins- until he fractured his thumb. Ridiculous to not put him back in now that he's healthy to see if his level of play raises back up.
Here's to Marrone and his henchmen getting pink slipped and Minshew getting paroled from this garbage skow to go to.a real NFL franchise like all the other escapees.
I agree and Jay and Ben turned on him quickly as well and backed Doug playing Glennon. Even though Glennon hasn't won anything and the Jags aren't in contention for anything. And I don't really buy that they think that Glennon gives them the best chance to win. He's not better than Gardner IMO, and Gardner wasn't originally benched for performance. And what are they really trying to prove by playing Mike anyway?
I don't think he will be a long term starter for the team and it's not like the Jags are in contention anymore either, so... hmmm... It's unfortunate to see the way they turned on Gardner, (though Doug has never really been for him). I hope things end up working for Gardner somehow even if that's on another team. Which I suspect could happen.
(12-06-2020, 09:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In an effort to give the new GM and staff the best possible scenario, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Khan told Marrone that Glennon starts the remainder of the season.
I think that Khan is letting Doug choose whoever he wants to play at the QB position. I don't think he's interfering with that. And truth be told, I don't think he has enough football knowledge to do that, lol. I think that Khan does want to win games, and is trusting Doug and the coaching staff to make the "right" decision at who starts at QB. They are just doing what they want to do, one reason because Doug is petty.
I do wonder though if one reason Doug is making this decision is because he feels like he might actually be safe and be around next year. Help us and the Jags if he somehow manages to be safe and sticks around another season to coach. If so I think that this team could continue to have some of the issues they have now, even with a new QB at the helm.
(12-06-2020, 10:02 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2020, 09:03 PM)IndyJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I absolutely agree that this coaches staff sandbagged Minshew. He looked every bit the franchise QB the first three games- even allowing for an off game against the Dolphins- until he fractured his thumb. Ridiculous to not put him back in now that he's healthy to see if his level of play raises back up.
Here's to Marrone and his henchmen getting pink slipped and Minshew getting paroled from this garbage skow to go to.a real NFL franchise like all the other escapees.
I agree and Jay and Ben turned on him quickly as well and backed Doug playing Glennon. Even though Glennon hasn't won anything and the Jags aren't in contention for anything. And I don't really buy that they think that Glennon gives them the best chance to win. He's not better than Gardner IMO, and Gardner wasn't originally benched for performance. And what are they really trying to prove by playing Mike anyway?
I don't think he will be a long term starter for the team and it's not like the Jags are in contention anymore either, so... hmmm... It's unfortunate to see the way they turned on Gardner, (though Doug has never really been for him). I hope things end up working for Gardner somehow even if that's on another team. Which I suspect could happen.
(12-06-2020, 09:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In an effort to give the new GM and staff the best possible scenario, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Khan told Marrone that Glennon starts the remainder of the season.
I think that Khan is letting Doug choose whoever he wants to play at the QB position. I don't think he's interfering with that. And truth be told, I don't think he has enough football knowledge to do that, lol. I think that Khan does want to win games, and is trusting Doug and the coaching staff to make the "right" decision at who starts at QB. They are just doing what they want to do, one reason because Doug is petty.
I do wonder though if one reason Doug is making this decision is because he feels like he might actually be safe and be around next year. Help us and the Jags if he somehow manages to be safe and sticks around another season to coach. If so I think that this team could continue to have some of the issues they have now, even with a new QB at the helm.
Man, you sure are putting some nonsense on Marrone. He's petty because he won't put back in a guy he can't trust? That's really not petty.
(12-06-2020, 09:03 PM)IndyJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I absolutely agree that this coaches staff sandbagged Minshew. He looked every bit the franchise QB the first three games- even allowing for an off game against the Dolphins- until he fractured his thumb. Ridiculous to not put him back in now that he's healthy to see if his level of play raises back up.
Here's to Marrone and his henchmen getting pink slipped and Minshew getting paroled from this garbage skow to go to.a real NFL franchise like all the other escapees.
(12-06-2020, 09:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In an effort to give the new GM and staff the best possible scenario, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Khan told Marrone that Glennon starts the remainder of the season.
(12-06-2020, 11:05 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2020, 10:02 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree and Jay and Ben turned on him quickly as well and backed Doug playing Glennon. Even though Glennon hasn't won anything and the Jags aren't in contention for anything. And I don't really buy that they think that Glennon gives them the best chance to win. He's not better than Gardner IMO, and Gardner wasn't originally benched for performance. And what are they really trying to prove by playing Mike anyway?
I don't think he will be a long term starter for the team and it's not like the Jags are in contention anymore either, so... hmmm... It's unfortunate to see the way they turned on Gardner, (though Doug has never really been for him). I hope things end up working for Gardner somehow even if that's on another team. Which I suspect could happen.
I think that Khan is letting Doug choose whoever he wants to play at the QB position. I don't think he's interfering with that. And truth be told, I don't think he has enough football knowledge to do that, lol. I think that Khan does want to win games, and is trusting Doug and the coaching staff to make the "right" decision at who starts at QB. They are just doing what they want to do, one reason because Doug is petty.
I do wonder though if one reason Doug is making this decision is because he feels like he might actually be safe and be around next year. Help us and the Jags if he somehow manages to be safe and sticks around another season to coach. If so I think that this team could continue to have some of the issues they have now, even with a new QB at the helm.
Man, you sure are putting some nonsense on Marrone. He's petty because he won't put back in a guy he can't trust? That's really not petty.
Yes especially if he wants to give the team the "best chance to win". Mike is not better than Gardner.
Doug should have tried to move past Gardner not disclosing the thumb injury. If he has trust issues regarding the disclosure of the injury, he needs to move past that. Especially with his job being on the line. Players play injured all of the time, with far worse injuries than Gardner had. Doug has punished him enough. He has never given Gardner his full support even when he helped save his job last year. (Doug should have been gone last year along with Todd.)
Mike has looked better than I thought he would at times, but playing him doesn't really fix anything. If the team wants to increase their chances of winning they should play Gardner. If they want to increase their chances of losing, play Jake. Mike is not the best option either way. And what Doug and the coaches is not really benefiting the team. Mike's not the long term answer for starter for this team and they already know he can be a backup.
(12-06-2020, 11:24 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2020, 09:03 PM)IndyJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I absolutely agree that this coaches staff sandbagged Minshew. He looked every bit the franchise QB the first three games- even allowing for an off game against the Dolphins- until he fractured his thumb. Ridiculous to not put him back in now that he's healthy to see if his level of play raises back up.
Here's to Marrone and his henchmen getting pink slipped and Minshew getting paroled from this garbage skow to go to.a real NFL franchise like all the other escapees.
(12-06-2020, 09:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In an effort to give the new GM and staff the best possible scenario, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Khan told Marrone that Glennon starts the remainder of the season.
(12-06-2020, 11:05 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Man, you sure are putting some nonsense on Marrone. He's petty because he won't put back in a guy he can't trust? That's really not petty.
Yes especially if he wants to give the team the "best chance to win". Mike is not better than Gardner.
Doug should have tried to move past Gardner not disclosing the thumb injury. If he has trust issues regarding the disclosure of the injury, he needs to move past that. Especially with his job being on the line. Players play injured all of the time, with far worse injuries than Gardner had. Doug has punished him enough. He has never given Gardner his full support even when he helped save his job last year. (Doug should have been gone last year along with Todd.)
Mike has looked better than I thought he would at times, but playing him doesn't really fix anything. If the team wants to increase their chances of winning they should play Gardner. If they want to increase their chances of losing, play Jake. Mike is not the best option either way. And what Doug and the coaches is not really benefiting the team. Mike's not the long term answer for starter for this team and they already know he can be a backup.
No, once the trust is lost it's lost. And how can you say he didn't give him his full support? He benched Foles and put him back in mid-game. He went into this season with him as the undisputed starter. He kept him in when it was pretty clear something wasn't right. Then we find out that GM15 wasn't truthful about his physical condition? No, I really don't blame Marrone for staying away at that point, Gardner burned himself.
I am pretty sure the next gm will keep Gardner as a cheap backup over Glennon. Let’s see if we can get some trade value for him.
(12-06-2020, 11:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2020, 11:24 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes especially if he wants to give the team the "best chance to win". Mike is not better than Gardner.
Doug should have tried to move past Gardner not disclosing the thumb injury. If he has trust issues regarding the disclosure of the injury, he needs to move past that. Especially with his job being on the line. Players play injured all of the time, with far worse injuries than Gardner had. Doug has punished him enough. He has never given Gardner his full support even when he helped save his job last year. (Doug should have been gone last year along with Todd.)
Mike has looked better than I thought he would at times, but playing him doesn't really fix anything. If the team wants to increase their chances of winning they should play Gardner. If they want to increase their chances of losing, play Jake. Mike is not the best option either way. And what Doug and the coaches is not really benefiting the team. Mike's not the long term answer for starter for this team and they already know he can be a backup.
No, once the trust is lost it's lost. And how can you say he didn't give him his full support? He benched Foles and put him back in mid-game. He went into this season with him as the undisputed starter. He kept him in when it was pretty clear something wasn't right. Then we find out that GM15 wasn't truthful about his physical condition? No, I really don't blame Marrone for staying away at that point, Gardner burned himself.
Gardner not disclosing his thumb injury is not the worst thing in the world, especially in a league where players play with injuries like cracked ribs. Players conceal injuries/try to play through them all of the time. Yet it's supposed to unforgivable when Gardner does it? I don't agree with that. I believe that Doug is using that, because for whatever reasons he's never bought in on Gardner, going all the way back to last year. And no I don't think that he has ever really given him his full support. Benching him very quickly after his first rough game last year, when he had the team at .500.(And ended up being the only QB that got wins for the Jags last year) And mentioning earlier this year that he would consider benching Gardner. And mind you this was
before he knew about Gardner's thumb injury. Even though Gardner stats were decent and a big problem in the Jags losses was the defense giving up a lot of points.
Even when the offensive played competitively. Heck, I posted a thread about that, that's somewhere on these forums, lol. Him talking about benching Gardner is probably one of the biggest reasons why Gardner concealed the injury in the first place. He knew his job was on the line and he didn't have the full support of his coach. If Gardner felt more comfortable about his job status, (even if just for this season) maybe he doesn't do that. Plus, he's young and competitive... I'm not saying it was the best decision, but I get why he did it.
And Doug initially said he that he got it too. And that he wouldn't punish Gardner. But it looks like that's what he's doing. Gardner has been punished enough. He has sat out/will sit out as a healthy scratch for at least three games. That's enough. And I don't know of many coaches that would bench their best option at QB, if they were really trying to win games. Unless they did something really egregious, and I don't think that the thumb injury falls into that category.
But Doug has decided to continue to make this move. And I wonder if it will end up backfiring in some manner. Just like benching Gardner last year, ended up doing. Either way, I hope the team ends up with a better coaching staff next year.
(12-07-2020, 12:08 AM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2020, 11:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No, once the trust is lost it's lost. And how can you say he didn't give him his full support? He benched Foles and put him back in mid-game. He went into this season with him as the undisputed starter. He kept him in when it was pretty clear something wasn't right. Then we find out that GM15 wasn't truthful about his physical condition? No, I really don't blame Marrone for staying away at that point, Gardner burned himself.
Gardner not disclosing his thumb injury is not the worst thing in the world, especially in a league where players play with injuries like cracked ribs. Players conceal injuries/try to play through them all of the time. Yet it's supposed to unforgivable when Gardner does it? I don't agree with that. I believe that Doug is using that, because for whatever reasons he's never bought in on Gardner, going all the way back to last year. And no I don't think that hee has never given him his full support. Benching him very quickly after his first rough game last year, when he had the team at .500.(And ended up being the only QB that got wins for the Jags last year) And mentioning earlier this year that he would consider benching Gardner. And mind you this was before he knew about Gardner's thumb injury. Even though Gardner stats were decent and a big problem in the Jags losses was the defense giving up a lot of points.
Even when the offensive played competitively. Heck, I posted a thread about that, that's somewhere on these forums, lol. Him talking about benching Gardner is probably one of the biggest reasons why Gardner concealed the injury in the first place. He knew his job was on the line and he didn't have the full support of his coach. If Gardner felt more comfortable about his job status, (even if just for this season) maybe he doesn't do that. Plus, he's young and competitive... I'm not saying it was the best decision, but I get why he did it.
And Doug initially said he that he got it too. And that he wouldn't punish Gardner. But it looks like that's what he's doing. Gardner has been punished enough. He has sat out/will sit out as a healthy scratch for at least three games. That's enough. And I don't know of many coaches that would bench their best option at QB, if they were really trying to win games. Unless they did something really egregious, and I don't think that the thumb injury falls into that category.
But Doug has decided to continue to make this move. And I wonder if it will end up backfiring in some manner. Just like benching Gardner last year, ended up doing. Either way, I hope the team ends up with a better coaching staff next year.
Everything Doug does is for Doug. It wasnt Dave that pissed players off and made them want to leave. Doug is not the players coach ppl think he is. Starting Glennon again will lose the locker room and it will hopefully get his stupid moronic butt fired sooner then later.
Here is an interesting thought: despite the churn at QB, no other quarterback besides Gardner has even won a game during this time.
(12-07-2020, 12:08 AM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2020, 11:53 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No, once the trust is lost it's lost. And how can you say he didn't give him his full support? He benched Foles and put him back in mid-game. He went into this season with him as the undisputed starter. He kept him in when it was pretty clear something wasn't right. Then we find out that GM15 wasn't truthful about his physical condition? No, I really don't blame Marrone for staying away at that point, Gardner burned himself.
Gardner not disclosing his thumb injury is not the worst thing in the world, especially in a league where players play with injuries like cracked ribs. Players conceal injuries/try to play through them all of the time. Yet it's supposed to unforgivable when Gardner does it? I don't agree with that. I believe that Doug is using that, because for whatever reasons he's never bought in on Gardner, going all the way back to last year. And no I don't think that he has ever really given him his full support. Benching him very quickly after his first rough game last year, when he had the team at .500.(And ended up being the only QB that got wins for the Jags last year) And mentioning earlier this year that he would consider benching Gardner. And mind you this was before he knew about Gardner's thumb injury. Even though Gardner stats were decent and a big problem in the Jags losses was the defense giving up a lot of points.
Even when the offensive played competitively. Heck, I posted a thread about that, that's somewhere on these forums, lol. Him talking about benching Gardner is probably one of the biggest reasons why Gardner concealed the injury in the first place. He knew his job was on the line and he didn't have the full support of his coach. If Gardner felt more comfortable about his job status, (even if just for this season) maybe he doesn't do that. Plus, he's young and competitive... I'm not saying it was the best decision, but I get why he did it.
And Doug initially said he that he got it too. And that he wouldn't punish Gardner. But it looks like that's what he's doing. Gardner has been punished enough. He has sat out/will sit out as a healthy scratch for at least three games. That's enough. And I don't know of many coaches that would bench their best option at QB, if they were really trying to win games. Unless they did something really egregious, and I don't think that the thumb injury falls into that category.
But Doug has decided to continue to make this move. And I wonder if it will end up backfiring in some manner. Just like benching Gardner last year, ended up doing. Either way, I hope the team ends up with a better coaching staff next year.
Not discussing an injury in detail with the media is a lot different than completely hiding it from your own team and training staff.
(12-07-2020, 12:07 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I am pretty sure the next gm will keep Gardner as a cheap backup over Glennon. Let’s see if we can get some trade value for him.
I feel like if they wanted to increase the trade value for him they could play him at least a couple of these last games. I know a lot of people want the team to tank and don't want Gardner playing because they don't want to win. I think that the Jags will end up getting to possibly take the #2 or #3 QB in the draft (even with some wins.)
Looking at the other teams in the leagues wins, that's very possible. The Bengals only have two wins, but they aren't taking a top QB, regardless of what their record ends up being. The Chargers only currently have three wins and aren't taking a top QB. Then you have Eagles and Cowboys at three wins. I don't see the Cowboys taking a top QB, because I believe they still believe in Dak. The Eagles might. But they do have Jalen Hurts and maybe they get an extra win in there somewhere and somehow stay behind the Jags.
Then you have the four win teams like Houston, the Broncos and the Panthers. I could see all of these teams getting at least one more win. And the Texans have DeShaun (The Jags would have to win out to at least equal that which I don't see happening.)
This is one reason why I find all the hand wringing over the team almost winning or possibly winning to be unnecessary. (Plus I just can't behind wanting the team to lose badly like that). At worst the Jags will get the opportunity to draft in the top 3 for QB prospects. And very well could draft #2. And that's factoring in if they actually get some wins in these last few games. They are too far behind other teams and the teams they are close to could add another win or two.
Unless the Jags like run the table
and other teams don't win any more games, their draft situation is pretty good. They will have a very high pick in the draft, regardless of who plays these last games at QB. They could technically play Gardner, win a couple of games, increase his trade value and still have like a top 2 or 3 pick for a QB.