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Today's announcers talked about Minshew a little. I'm not sure I got it right but it did sound like they were sure Marrone had given up on Minshew. Did anyone else hear this too?

(12-06-2020, 06:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 06:10 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. I will not miss Doug should he leave. The way he has treated Gardner this year and last is distasteful. He's never fully supported him which is probably one big reason why Gardner disclosed his injury. Doug was hinting at benching him earlier on, even though his production was decent. It feels this decision is partly based on him punishing Gardner for not being forthcoming about the thumb injury right away. He doesn't care about the "best chance to win" as much as he claims. He continues to make bad decisions as a coach. The team (regardless of who is the QB) will be better off with a better Head Coach.


That may happen if another regime comes into place. Then again maybe not. Doug and the coaches seem to prefer Mike right now and Doug has never been the biggest fan of Gardner. I could also see another regime trading him and maybe even keeping Mike as well, if he ends up winning a couple of these last games.

Minshew doesn't have trade value that equals his value as a back up here. Glennon costs too much to keep in that role.

We'll see. I think there is a strong chance he will be traded. There are teams out there that could use him in some capacity. And if he's not traded, I believe he will walk after his contract. I don't think he will stay and be a backup in the Jacksonville when he could potentially have a chance as a better shot somewhere else as a potential starter. There could be an opportunity for him to start in different situations. Like a team who has a QB that retires, but is still competitive enough not to have a top QB pick. 

Even something like being a bridge QB somewhere else would be better than him being glued to the bench in Jacksonville. And at worst case scenario he could be a backup on a better team. He'll still be young when his rookie deal is up and he is nowhere near as bad as a lot of Jags fans/medai are trying to make him out to be (largely because they want another QB like Trevor Lawrence or Justin.) He still could have a decent shot with another team.

(12-06-2020, 06:35 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Today's announcers talked about Minshew a little. I'm not sure I got it right but it did sound like they were sure Marrone had given up on Minshew. Did anyone else hear this too?

More like Doug has never cared for him much IMO and is being petty on his way out. Gardner was originally sat for his injury and I think it made a big enough impact to affect his game. But we may never know that for sure since Doug has continued to sit him. Gardner was originally supposed to get this whole season as a starter. And his injury that is now healed shouldn't prevent him from playing the rest of these games. Especially since Mike hasn't won any of the ones he started, and I could make the argument that if Gardner were playing the team beats the Vikings today. I don't buy that Doug really think that Mike is that much better than Gardner or really better than him at all. But he wants to punish Gardner, even though the team won't be any better off with Mike (and possibly worse off) with him.

I'm tired of Doug for multiple reasons and his treatment towards Gardner who has played hard for this team and wants to be a Jag, is a big one. I hope that the team won't have to worry about Doug and his poor decision makings as a coach next season, regardless of what happens regarding the QB situation.

(12-06-2020, 06:50 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 06:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew doesn't have trade value that equals his value as a back up here. Glennon costs too much to keep in that role.

We'll see. I think there is a strong chance he will be traded. There are teams out there that could use him in some capacity. And if he's not traded, I believe he will walk after his contract. I don't think he will stay and be a backup in the Jacksonville when he could potentially have a chance as a better shot somewhere else as a potential starter. There could be an opportunity for him to start in different situations. Like a team who has a QB that retires, but is still competitive enough not to have a top QB pick. 

Even something like being a bridge QB somewhere else would be better than him being glued to the bench in Jacksonville. And at worst case scenario he could be a backup on a better team. He'll still be young when his rookie deal is up and he is nowhere near as bad as a lot of Jags fans/medai are trying to make him out to be (largely because they want another QB like Trevor Lawrence or Justin.) He still could have a decent shot with another team.

(12-06-2020, 06:35 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Today's announcers talked about Minshew a little. I'm not sure I got it right but it did sound like they were sure Marrone had given up on Minshew. Did anyone else hear this too?

More like Doug has never cared for him much IMO and is being petty on his way out. Gardner was originally sat for his injury and I think it made a big enough impact to affect his game. But we may never know that for sure since Doug has continued to sit him. Gardner was originally supposed to get this whole season as a starter. And his injury that is now healed shouldn't prevent him from playing the rest of these games. Especially since Mike hasn't won any of the ones he started, and I could make the argument that if Gardner were playing the team beats the Vikings today. I don't buy that Doug really think that Mike is that much better than Gardner or really better than him at all. But he wants to punish Gardner, even though the team won't be any better off with Mike (and possibly worse off) with him.

I'm tired of Doug for multiple reasons and his treatment towards Gardner who has played hard for this team and wants to be a Jag, is a big one. I hope that the team won't have to worry about Doug and his poor decision makings as a coach next season, regardless of what happens regarding the QB situation.

I’m glad you said that.  It seems like Gardner got shafted to a degree.  That or they’re pissed he didn’t disclose his injurie or they are saying [BLEEP] you by trying to screw the organization on the way out.  If the last is true, then they should have started Glennon in the first place.  Idk what’s happened in the past few weeks, but the team is playing different.  A good different.  But you should have had them there the whole year.

It reeks of “let’s save our own hides or help to be employed elsewhere”. My whole thing is why didn’t you do it in the first place. It’s human nature to see things in hindsight. So perhaps they’ve seen what they did wrong, idk. Perhaps I’m giving too much benefit of the doubt

(12-06-2020, 06:50 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 06:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew doesn't have trade value that equals his value as a back up here. Glennon costs too much to keep in that role.

We'll see. I think there is a strong chance he will be traded. There are teams out there that could use him in some capacity. And if he's not traded, I believe he will walk after his contract. I don't think he will stay and be a backup in the Jacksonville when he could potentially have a chance as a better shot somewhere else as a potential starter. There could be an opportunity for him to start in different situations. Like a team who has a QB that retires, but is still competitive enough not to have a top QB pick. 

Even something like being a bridge QB somewhere else would be better than him being glued to the bench in Jacksonville. And at worst case scenario he could be a backup on a better team. He'll still be young when his rookie deal is up and he is nowhere near as bad as a lot of Jags fans/medai are trying to make him out to be (largely because they want another QB like Trevor Lawrence or Justin.) He still could have a decent shot with another team.

(12-06-2020, 06:35 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Today's announcers talked about Minshew a little. I'm not sure I got it right but it did sound like they were sure Marrone had given up on Minshew. Did anyone else hear this too?

More like Doug has never cared for him much IMO and is being petty on his way out. Gardner was originally sat for his injury and I think it made a big enough impact to affect his game. But we may never know that for sure since Doug has continued to sit him. Gardner was originally supposed to get this whole season as a starter. And his injury that is now healed shouldn't prevent him from playing the rest of these games. Especially since Mike hasn't won any of the ones he started, and I could make the argument that if Gardner were playing the team beats the Vikings today. I don't buy that Doug really think that Mike is that much better than Gardner or really better than him at all. But he wants to punish Gardner, even though the team won't be any better off with Mike (and possibly worse off) with him.

I'm tired of Doug for multiple reasons and his treatment towards Gardner who has played hard for this team and wants to be a Jag, is a big one. I hope that the team won't have to worry about Doug and his poor decision makings as a coach next season, regardless of what happens regarding the QB situation.

Good post. Completely agree. Maybe it wasnt all Coughlin with the bad attitude towards players. My problem is this is the same cycle as the last 3 years. Bortles benched for Kessler, bring in Foles whos benched for Minshew. Name Minshew starter, get rid of Foles ans now Minshew is benched. Yet Marrone and Wash are never responsible.

Its beyond a joke. I remember arguing with certain posters when we were getting rid of Bouye, Campbell and Yan and the majority were more than happy with those calls. 

Im also so fed up with the tanking attitide EVERY year. It obviously doesn't work! Next year it has to change, everything in that building. The attitude, the expectations. Look at Gruden at Oakland. Had a bad roster and his first move was getting rid of Mack but they are turning the team around. Look at McDermott at Buffalo. We beat them in the playoffs in 2017, which team looks better?

(12-06-2020, 07:12 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 06:50 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]We'll see. I think there is a strong chance he will be traded. There are teams out there that could use him in some capacity. And if he's not traded, I believe he will walk after his contract. I don't think he will stay and be a backup in the Jacksonville when he could potentially have a chance as a better shot somewhere else as a potential starter. There could be an opportunity for him to start in different situations. Like a team who has a QB that retires, but is still competitive enough not to have a top QB pick. 

Even something like being a bridge QB somewhere else would be better than him being glued to the bench in Jacksonville. And at worst case scenario he could be a backup on a better team. He'll still be young when his rookie deal is up and he is nowhere near as bad as a lot of Jags fans/medai are trying to make him out to be (largely because they want another QB like Trevor Lawrence or Justin.) He still could have a decent shot with another team.

More like Doug has never cared for him much IMO and is being petty on his way out. Gardner was originally sat for his injury and I think it made a big enough impact to affect his game. But we may never know that for sure since Doug has continued to sit him. Gardner was originally supposed to get this whole season as a starter. And his injury that is now healed shouldn't prevent him from playing the rest of these games. Especially since Mike hasn't won any of the ones he started, and I could make the argument that if Gardner were playing the team beats the Vikings today. I don't buy that Doug really think that Mike is that much better than Gardner or really better than him at all. But he wants to punish Gardner, even though the team won't be any better off with Mike (and possibly worse off) with him.

I'm tired of Doug for multiple reasons and his treatment towards Gardner who has played hard for this team and wants to be a Jag, is a big one. I hope that the team won't have to worry about Doug and his poor decision makings as a coach next season, regardless of what happens regarding the QB situation.

Good post. Completely agree. Maybe it wasnt all Coughlin with the bad attitude towards players. My problem is this is the same cycle as the last 3 years. Bortles benched for Kessler, bring in Foles whos benched for Minshew. Name Minshew starter, get rid of Foles ans now Minshew is benched. Yet Marrone and Wash are never responsible.

Its beyond a joke. I remember arguing with certain posters when we were getting rid of Bouye, Campbell and Yan and the majority were more than happy with those calls. 

Im also so fed up with the tanking attitide EVERY year. It obviously doesn't work! Next year it has to change, everything in that building. The attitude, the expectations. Look at Gruden at Oakland. Had a bad roster and his first move was getting rid of Mack but they are turning the team around. Look at McDermott at Buffalo. We beat them in the playoffs in 2017, which team looks better?

Change is coming my friend.  If I were a GM candidate, whether right or wrong, I’d be asking what was up with all the good players wanting out.  What happened? Who was to blame?  Then ask the current coaching staff the same thing. Ask the players.   That along with a thorough evaluation of EVERYONE.

(12-06-2020, 07:03 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 06:50 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]We'll see. I think there is a strong chance he will be traded. There are teams out there that could use him in some capacity. And if he's not traded, I believe he will walk after his contract. I don't think he will stay and be a backup in the Jacksonville when he could potentially have a chance as a better shot somewhere else as a potential starter. There could be an opportunity for him to start in different situations. Like a team who has a QB that retires, but is still competitive enough not to have a top QB pick. 

Even something like being a bridge QB somewhere else would be better than him being glued to the bench in Jacksonville. And at worst case scenario he could be a backup on a better team. He'll still be young when his rookie deal is up and he is nowhere near as bad as a lot of Jags fans/medai are trying to make him out to be (largely because they want another QB like Trevor Lawrence or Justin.) He still could have a decent shot with another team.

More like Doug has never cared for him much IMO and is being petty on his way out. Gardner was originally sat for his injury and I think it made a big enough impact to affect his game. But we may never know that for sure since Doug has continued to sit him. Gardner was originally supposed to get this whole season as a starter. And his injury that is now healed shouldn't prevent him from playing the rest of these games. Especially since Mike hasn't won any of the ones he started, and I could make the argument that if Gardner were playing the team beats the Vikings today. I don't buy that Doug really think that Mike is that much better than Gardner or really better than him at all. But he wants to punish Gardner, even though the team won't be any better off with Mike (and possibly worse off) with him.

I'm tired of Doug for multiple reasons and his treatment towards Gardner who has played hard for this team and wants to be a Jag, is a big one. I hope that the team won't have to worry about Doug and his poor decision makings as a coach next season, regardless of what happens regarding the QB situation.

I’m glad you said that.  It seems like Gardner got shafted to a degree.  That or they’re pissed he didn’t disclose his injurie or they are saying [BLEEP] you by trying to screw the organization on the way out.  If the last is true, then they should have started Glennon in the first place.  Idk what’s happened in the past few weeks, but the team is playing different.  A good different.  But you should have had them there the whole year.

Yeah, I think it's a combination of these things. Doug never really caring for Gardner and being mad about him not disclosing his thumb injury. I think he's trying to punish Gardner for that. Even though I believe that Gardner play in the last few games of last year helped save Doug's job last season. Doug doesn't seem that interested in really trying to "save" his job this year and maybe it's because he's knows he's probably out the door. I believe that if he cared more about really trying to win, he would start Gardner who I think is the QB currently on the Jags roster that gives the team the best chance to win.

Especially with the way that the defense has been playing lately. If they rifled off some wins with Gardner as QB during this last stretch, maybe that could be enough to convince Shad to give him another season as a HC. Especially since Shad seems to be patient. He could even use Gardner's injury as an excuse if Gardner came back looking like he did during the first couple of games during the season. But Doug would rather be petty on his way out of the door.

The bright side is hopefully the team will have a better coaching staff in place next year, regardless of who is playing QB. And they can start to turn things around. I was watching the Browns/Titans game today (and have been following the Browns) and it's really something how far the Browns have come in the past few years. Three years ago they were 0-16 and now they are one win away from going to the playoffs in like eighteen years. And the team looks well run because it finally looks like they have chosen well at the HC position with Kevin Stefanski. Hopefully, the Jags can turn things around as well and get a Head Coach that will be good for the team and really try to develop and put the the best possible product on the field.

(12-06-2020, 07:12 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 06:50 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]We'll see. I think there is a strong chance he will be traded. There are teams out there that could use him in some capacity. And if he's not traded, I believe he will walk after his contract. I don't think he will stay and be a backup in the Jacksonville when he could potentially have a chance as a better shot somewhere else as a potential starter. There could be an opportunity for him to start in different situations. Like a team who has a QB that retires, but is still competitive enough not to have a top QB pick. 

Even something like being a bridge QB somewhere else would be better than him being glued to the bench in Jacksonville. And at worst case scenario he could be a backup on a better team. He'll still be young when his rookie deal is up and he is nowhere near as bad as a lot of Jags fans/medai are trying to make him out to be (largely because they want another QB like Trevor Lawrence or Justin.) He still could have a decent shot with another team.

More like Doug has never cared for him much IMO and is being petty on his way out. Gardner was originally sat for his injury and I think it made a big enough impact to affect his game. But we may never know that for sure since Doug has continued to sit him. Gardner was originally supposed to get this whole season as a starter. And his injury that is now healed shouldn't prevent him from playing the rest of these games. Especially since Mike hasn't won any of the ones he started, and I could make the argument that if Gardner were playing the team beats the Vikings today. I don't buy that Doug really think that Mike is that much better than Gardner or really better than him at all. But he wants to punish Gardner, even though the team won't be any better off with Mike (and possibly worse off) with him.

I'm tired of Doug for multiple reasons and his treatment towards Gardner who has played hard for this team and wants to be a Jag, is a big one. I hope that the team won't have to worry about Doug and his poor decision makings as a coach next season, regardless of what happens regarding the QB situation.

Good post. Completely agree. Maybe it wasnt all Coughlin with the bad attitude towards players. My problem is this is the same cycle as the last 3 years. Bortles benched for Kessler, bring in Foles whos benched for Minshew. Name Minshew starter, get rid of Foles ans now Minshew is benched. Yet Marrone and Wash are never responsible.

Its beyond a joke. I remember arguing with certain posters when we were getting rid of Bouye, Campbell and Yan and the majority were more than happy with those calls. 

Im also so fed up with the tanking attitide EVERY year. It obviously doesn't work! Next year it has to change, everything in that building. The attitude, the expectations. Look at Gruden at Oakland. Had a bad roster and his first move was getting rid of Mack but they are turning the team around. Look at McDermott at Buffalo. We beat them in the playoffs in 2017, which team looks better?

I'm tired of the tanking attitude too and I wish that people like Doug and Todd had been held accountable more often. Doug, the Jags traded away multiple players including players we could really used this year. Granted I understand Yan didn't want to be here, but they got rid of players who gave their all to the team like Calais. And up until recently Calais has been having a good season with the Ravens. We could have used him this year, especially with our very young and developing defense.

Also, regarding tanking bad teams, I just mentioned the Browns in my last post. Look how far they've come and they were truly awful for years. Three years ago they were 0-16 and they've been through more QB's than the Jags have But they finally got it right with the coaching staff. Even though interestingly enough some people (including some of their fans) are still unsure about whether they've finally found the answer at QB in Baker. But they have fixed other important issues like getting a good coach, who has been able to really utilize the talent on their team and they fixed their offensive line. And it's paid dividends for them. Today's game was the best game I've seen Baker play. He was making really good, smart plays. 

He was very patient and was making good choices with his throws and it showed. They are headed to the playoffs for the first time in almost two decades. The Jags could have something like that if we start by doing things like getting a good coaching staff. Not coaches who aren't held accountable, not able to really coach up the talent on the team and who blatantly get rid of/bench the best players on the team.

(12-06-2020, 07:19 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 07:12 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Good post. Completely agree. Maybe it wasnt all Coughlin with the bad attitude towards players. My problem is this is the same cycle as the last 3 years. Bortles benched for Kessler, bring in Foles whos benched for Minshew. Name Minshew starter, get rid of Foles ans now Minshew is benched. Yet Marrone and Wash are never responsible.

Its beyond a joke. I remember arguing with certain posters when we were getting rid of Bouye, Campbell and Yan and the majority were more than happy with those calls. 

Im also so fed up with the tanking attitide EVERY year. It obviously doesn't work! Next year it has to change, everything in that building. The attitude, the expectations. Look at Gruden at Oakland. Had a bad roster and his first move was getting rid of Mack but they are turning the team around. Look at McDermott at Buffalo. We beat them in the playoffs in 2017, which team looks better?

Change is coming my friend.  If I were a GM candidate, whether right or wrong, I’d be asking what was up with all the good players wanting out.  What happened? Who was to blame?  Then ask the current coaching staff the same thing. Ask the players.   That along with a thorough evaluation of EVERYONE.

Again, great post. Completely agree. Its crazy tue turnover in this roster and its not the back up safety and the 5th WR. Im getting to the point where its pointless even liking a player as theyll be gone. Poz, Ramsey, Yan, Telvin, Hurns, Minshew, the list goes on. Poz and Mercedes are the only guys in recent times that have stuck around, even when we are soo bad. 

I know this isnt a good thing to say, but i think when Khan is GM hunting, to try and push the fact we have been so bad that if you can win with us, that will look even more impressive than turning an Atlanta around if you get what i mean.

(12-06-2020, 07:20 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 07:03 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I’m glad you said that.  It seems like Gardner got shafted to a degree.  That or they’re pissed he didn’t disclose his injurie or they are saying [BLEEP] you by trying to screw the organization on the way out.  If the last is true, then they should have started Glennon in the first place.  Idk what’s happened in the past few weeks, but the team is playing different.  A good different.  But you should have had them there the whole year.

Yeah, I think it's a combination of these things. Doug never really caring for Gardner and being mad about him not disclosing his thumb injury. I think he's trying to punish Gardner for that. Even though I believe that Gardner play in the last few games of last year helped save Doug's job last season. Doug doesn't seem that interested in really trying to "save" his job this year and maybe it's because he's knows he's probably out the door. I believe that if he cared more about really trying to win, he would start Gardner who I think is the QB currently on the Jags roster that gives the team the best chance to win.

Especially with the way that the defense has been playing lately. If they rifled off some wins with Gardner as QB during this last stretch, maybe that could be enough to convince Shad to give him another season as a HC. Especially since Shad seems to be patient. He could even use Gardner's injury as an excuse if Gardner came back looking like he did during the first couple of games during the season. But Doug would rather be petty on his way out of the door.

The bright side is hopefully the team will have a better coaching staff in place next year, regardless of who is playing QB. And they can start to turn things around. I was watching the Browns/Titans game today (and have been following the Browns) and it's really something how far the Browns have come in the past few years. Three years ago they were 0-16 and now they are one win away from going to the playoffs in like eighteen years. And the team looks well run because it finally looks like they have chosen well at the HC position with Kevin Stefanski. Hopefully, the Jags can turn things around as well and get a Head Coach that will be good for the team and really try to develop and put the the best possible product on the field.

This right here is about 100% where my thoughts are.  Will be interesting seeing the ne GM hire along with the the other dominoes that fall.  Hopefully we get the right people in place.

(12-06-2020, 07:33 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 07:19 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Change is coming my friend.  If I were a GM candidate, whether right or wrong, I’d be asking what was up with all the good players wanting out.  What happened? Who was to blame?  Then ask the current coaching staff the same thing. Ask the players.   That along with a thorough evaluation of EVERYONE.

Again, great post. Completely agree. Its crazy tue turnover in this roster and its not the back up safety and the 5th WR. Im getting to the point where its pointless even liking a player as theyll be gone. Poz, Ramsey, Yan, Telvin, Hurns, Minshew, the list goes on. Poz and Mercedes are the only guys in recent times that have stuck around, even when we are soo bad. 

I know this isnt a good thing to say, but i think when Khan is GM hunting, to try and push the fact we have been so bad that if you can win with us, that will look even more impressive than turning an Atlanta around if you get what i mean.

I think that the Jags GM is a good job position. And I think that Shad could make an even better appeal if the team could win at least a couple of these last games. Especially if the defense continues to grow and the team shows fight. But maybe even with more losses someone is watching and they may be sold enough with the team at least being competitive. And they will also take into consideration this is a very young team that has room for more improvement.

Also, speaking of teams that may need to make coaching changes, I'm looking at the Chargers right now lol. I mentioned this in the week 13 game thread already, but Bill Belichick is really taking it to them. This is definitely the worst game Justin has played this year. Granted Bill usually performs well against Rookie QB's and is like 20-5 against them. And we saw what he did to Sam Darnold last year. But Justin is very talented and his team is struggling to deal with the Patriots. And the Chargers have been struggling all year to win games, because of poor coaching decisions. Their special teams have played poorly, especially today. And they have blew a lot of leads, and close games. Justin is really talented and I do think he is a franchise QB, but for even as talented as he is, that is not enough to overcome his coaching staff and the deficiencies on his team. I suspect the Chargers will have at least one job opening as well, when this season is done.

(12-06-2020, 06:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 05:58 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]Also, Doug just confirmed that the Jags are still sticking with Mike again next week. We probably won't see Gardner again unless Mike gets injured. It looks like this is the way that Doug chooses to go down finishing the season. I wonder which team Gardner may end up being traded to as I believe this strengthen the chances that will happen.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...0508039169

Yet another reason to fire his incompetent, uselesss fat [BLEEP]

this!! he is a horrible coach!!!!

(12-06-2020, 07:30 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 07:12 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Good post. Completely agree. Maybe it wasnt all Coughlin with the bad attitude towards players. My problem is this is the same cycle as the last 3 years. Bortles benched for Kessler, bring in Foles whos benched for Minshew. Name Minshew starter, get rid of Foles ans now Minshew is benched. Yet Marrone and Wash are never responsible.

Its beyond a joke. I remember arguing with certain posters when we were getting rid of Bouye, Campbell and Yan and the majority were more than happy with those calls. 

Im also so fed up with the tanking attitide EVERY year. It obviously doesn't work! Next year it has to change, everything in that building. The attitude, the expectations. Look at Gruden at Oakland. Had a bad roster and his first move was getting rid of Mack but they are turning the team around. Look at McDermott at Buffalo. We beat them in the playoffs in 2017, which team looks better?

I'm tired of the tanking attitude too and I wish that people like Doug and Todd had been held accountable more often. Doug, the Jags traded away multiple players including players we could really used this year. Granted I understand Yan didn't want to be here, but they got rid of players who gave their all to the team like Calais. And up until recently Calais has been having a good season with the Ravens. We could have used him this year, especially with our very young and developing defense.

Also, regarding tanking bad teams, I just mentioned the Browns in my last post. Look how far they've come and they were truly awful for years. Three years ago they were 0-16 and they've been through more QB's than the Jags have But they finally got it right with the coaching staff. Even though interestingly enough some people (including some of their fans) are still unsure about whether they've finally found the answer at QB in Baker. But they have fixed other important issues like getting a good coach, who has been able to really utilize the talent on their team and they fixed their offensive line. And it's paid dividends for them. Today's game was the best game I've seen Baker play. He was making really good, smart plays. 

He was very patient and was making good choices with his throws and it showed. They are headed to the playoffs for the first time in almost two decades. The Jags could have something like that if we start by doing things like getting a good coaching staff. Not coaches who aren't held accountable, not able to really coach up the talent on the team and who blatantly get rid of/bench the best players on the team.

Cleveland this year is the 2017 Jags; they will make the playoffs with a strong run game and Baker doing ok, then double down on him next year (I don't know if they will extend him like Bortles). They will regret it; he is not the long term solution

(12-06-2020, 08:14 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2020, 07:30 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm tired of the tanking attitude too and I wish that people like Doug and Todd had been held accountable more often. Doug, the Jags traded away multiple players including players we could really used this year. Granted I understand Yan didn't want to be here, but they got rid of players who gave their all to the team like Calais. And up until recently Calais has been having a good season with the Ravens. We could have used him this year, especially with our very young and developing defense.

Also, regarding tanking bad teams, I just mentioned the Browns in my last post. Look how far they've come and they were truly awful for years. Three years ago they were 0-16 and they've been through more QB's than the Jags have But they finally got it right with the coaching staff. Even though interestingly enough some people (including some of their fans) are still unsure about whether they've finally found the answer at QB in Baker. But they have fixed other important issues like getting a good coach, who has been able to really utilize the talent on their team and they fixed their offensive line. And it's paid dividends for them. Today's game was the best game I've seen Baker play. He was making really good, smart plays. 

He was very patient and was making good choices with his throws and it showed. They are headed to the playoffs for the first time in almost two decades. The Jags could have something like that if we start by doing things like getting a good coaching staff. Not coaches who aren't held accountable, not able to really coach up the talent on the team and who blatantly get rid of/bench the best players on the team.

Cleveland this year is the 2017 Jags; they will make the playoffs with a strong run game and Baker doing ok, then double down on him next year (I don't know if they will extend him like Bortles). They will regret it; he is not the long term solution

I think that the Browns can win with Baker. Largely because he has a good HC and the team around him is good especially the offense. It definitely helped that the team fixed their offensive line.  The team has been playing well in various areas. He may not be an Andrew Luck type, but I think he can be good enough for their team and situation which is becoming stable. And I take into consideration he's had like four head coaches in three years, and that can affect the development of any young QB. I did think he took a nice step today in his development with his win against the Titans. He looked great in today's game. IMO, this was the best game he's played as a pro. Maybe things will become better for him now that he can have stability with Kevin Stefanski as his head coach.

The whole Minshew injury must be total BS if they aren't starting him when he is supposedly "healthy". I'd like to see Minshew close out the season so we can know if he is our back up of the future.

I absolutely agree that this coaches staff sandbagged Minshew. He looked every bit the franchise QB the first three games- even allowing for an off game against the Dolphins- until he fractured his thumb. Ridiculous to not put him back in now that he's healthy to see if his level of play raises back up.

Here's to Marrone and his henchmen getting pink slipped and Minshew getting paroled from this garbage skow to go to.a real NFL franchise like all the other escapees.

Joke is on Doug. Glennon was meh today. Average guy making bad decisions and forcing the ball. I don't believe Minshew sees the field barring injury.

This team is so #becausejaguars that even my auto correct suggested it as soon as I hit #b

Tank mode confirmed.

In an effort to give the new GM and staff the best possible scenario, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Khan told Marrone that Glennon starts the remainder of the season.

Lets watch the next game. If the players are in on it or not. Alot of them know Minshew gives us the best chance to win and with idiot hc saying glennon still starting how will they play.