(12-14-2020, 03:05 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew is getting the start. Coach marrone said.
I'm glad. Hopefully we will get to see some more spark and at least a little excitement before the season ends. Gardner never should have been benched for all of those games, IMO. And it really doesn't mess with the draft pick either. I could see the Jets still finishing underneath the Jags and even if they don't, the Jags will still get a top draft pick and have a lot of options.
(12-14-2020, 05:08 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2020, 03:05 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew is getting the start. Coach marrone said.
I'm glad. Hopefully we will get to see some more spark and at least a little excitement before the season ends. Gardner never should have been benched for all of those games, IMO. And it really doesn't mess with the draft pick either. I could see the Jets still finishing underneath the Jags and even if they don't, the Jags will still get a top draft pick and have a lot of options.
He sat like 1 game he was medically cleared for. Anyway, I'm glad he's back too, definitely the most entertaining option and he at least tries throwing to Chark.
(12-14-2020, 05:17 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2020, 05:08 PM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm glad. Hopefully we will get to see some more spark and at least a little excitement before the season ends. Gardner never should have been benched for all of those games, IMO. And it really doesn't mess with the draft pick either. I could see the Jets still finishing underneath the Jags and even if they don't, the Jags will still get a top draft pick and have a lot of options.
He sat like 1 game he was medically cleared for. Anyway, I'm glad he's back too, definitely the most entertaining option and he at least tries throwing to Chark.
He was cleared for Browns (begged to play), Vikes, and tacks.
He wasn't started for any of those because... well Glennon gave the team the best chance.... or something.
Made my 800 mile round trip drive worthwhile on Sunday and hopefully will again on the 27th. Ridiculous and a sign of Marrone's incompetence and the problems with the front office and team PR folks that it came to this. Anyone looking at the QB situation objectively could see Minshew should've been the starter. Even when injured, he outplayed the other healthy alternatives.
I’m not on the Fields bandwagon either.
(12-14-2020, 12:07 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2020, 07:15 AM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]You do know that Blake Bortles has more playoff wins, and bettertter statistical numbers Stan David Garrard right? Now David Garrard has more regular-season wins then Blake Bortles but he did have a better roster around him then Blake had overall.
Man if you can objectively look at Garrard and Bortles and think Bortles was the better QB, IDK what to tell you.
And I don't know that Garrard had a better roster. I think 2017 D was better by a wide margin than 2007 D. And on the outside I'd take 2017 WRs over Williams, Jones, and Northcutt.
The only thing Garrard had that was clearly better was the backfield (and 2017 was Lenny's best year) and maaaaybe the OL and TE spots.
More playoff wins, by like what, one? Give me a break.
My good friend, I'm going to disagree with you and this is why. First let's start with the coaching staff and this is Who David Garrard has as coaches. Jack Del Rio, Anthony Lynn, Dirk koetter, David Shula, and Mike Smith which all of them became head coaches. Blake Bortles on the other hand did not have 1 assistant coach or coordinator during his tenure that became a head coach or even a successful coordinator elsewhere.
Let's go to roster while they also had a great defense with Henderson, Stroud, Mathis, Mike Peterson and Daryl Smith. All of them by the way was perennial Pro Bowlers. Now was the 2017 defense was better yes because that was a all-time great defense and one of the best defenses in NFL history and the best defense in Jaguar history. So Blake had that going for him but David Garrard had a better offensive line, running back, tight end. The only thing Blake Bortles have better than that Garrard was the wide receivers and that's not by much but despite that Blake Bortles put up better numbers and had more important wins in his tenure then David Garrard. Is true that David Garrard was more consistent than Blake Bortles yes but he also had a better coaches and as a result, got the best out of him. If Blake had David coaching staff he would still be our quarterback for the Jaguar franchise to this day.
(12-14-2020, 05:23 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2020, 05:17 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]He sat like 1 game he was medically cleared for. Anyway, I'm glad he's back too, definitely the most entertaining option and he at least tries throwing to Chark.
He was cleared for Browns (begged to play), Vikes, and tacks.
He wasn't started for any of those because... well Glennon gave the team the best chance.... or something.
Perhaps I should have said 'fully healthy' but he wasn't ready for Cleveland, begging nonwithstanding.
He missed like 6 healthy quarters of football.
3 games left. Off season can't come soon enough.
(12-14-2020, 08:08 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2020, 12:07 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Man if you can objectively look at Garrard and Bortles and think Bortles was the better QB, IDK what to tell you.
And I don't know that Garrard had a better roster. I think 2017 D was better by a wide margin than 2007 D. And on the outside I'd take 2017 WRs over Williams, Jones, and Northcutt.
The only thing Garrard had that was clearly better was the backfield (and 2017 was Lenny's best year) and maaaaybe the OL and TE spots.
More playoff wins, by like what, one? Give me a break.
My good friend, I'm going to disagree with you and this is why. First let's start with the coaching staff and this is Who David Garrard has as coaches. Jack Del Rio, Anthony Lynn, Dirk koetter, David Shula, and Mike Smith which all of them became head coaches. Blake Bortles on the other hand did not have 1 assistant coach or coordinator during his tenure that became a head coach or even a successful coordinator elsewhere.
Let's go to roster while they also had a great defense with Henderson, Stroud, Mathis, Mike Peterson and Daryl Smith. All of them by the way was perennial Pro Bowlers. Now was the 2017 defense was better yes because that was a all-time great defense and one of the best defenses in NFL history and the best defense in Jaguar history. So Blake had that going for him but David Garrard had a better offensive line, running back, tight end. The only thing Blake Bortles have better than that Garrard was the wide receivers and that's not by much but despite that Blake Bortles put up better numbers and had more important wins in his tenure then David Garrard. Is true that David Garrard was more consistent than Blake Bortles yes but he also had a better coaches and as a result, got the best out of him. If Blake had David coaching staff he would still be our quarterback for the Jaguar franchise to this day.
You have to be kidding. Garrard was absolutely better than Bortles. Way more accurate, way more reliable. Garrard was the only QB we had in the last 10 years who I felt like we had a chance on 3rd down consistently. Bortles was the product of the strong team around him in 2017. If Garrard had that team we wouldn’t have been kneeling to end the half.
(12-15-2020, 01:44 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2020, 08:08 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]My good friend, I'm going to disagree with you and this is why. First let's start with the coaching staff and this is Who David Garrard has as coaches. Jack Del Rio, Anthony Lynn, Dirk koetter, David Shula, and Mike Smith which all of them became head coaches. Blake Bortles on the other hand did not have 1 assistant coach or coordinator during his tenure that became a head coach or even a successful coordinator elsewhere.
Let's go to roster while they also had a great defense with Henderson, Stroud, Mathis, Mike Peterson and Daryl Smith. All of them by the way was perennial Pro Bowlers. Now was the 2017 defense was better yes because that was a all-time great defense and one of the best defenses in NFL history and the best defense in Jaguar history. So Blake had that going for him but David Garrard had a better offensive line, running back, tight end. The only thing Blake Bortles have better than that Garrard was the wide receivers and that's not by much but despite that Blake Bortles put up better numbers and had more important wins in his tenure then David Garrard. Is true that David Garrard was more consistent than Blake Bortles yes but he also had a better coaches and as a result, got the best out of him. If Blake had David coaching staff he would still be our quarterback for the Jaguar franchise to this day.
You have to be kidding. Garrard was absolutely better than Bortles. Way more accurate, way more reliable. Garrard was the only QB we had in the last 10 years who I felt like we had a chance on 3rd down consistently. Bortles was the product of the strong team around him in 2017. If Garrard had that team we wouldn’t have been kneeling to end the half.
So here's a question to ponder. How far does the 2017 team go with Gardner Minshew as QB? Do we get to the AFCCG?
(12-15-2020, 02:19 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2020, 01:44 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]You have to be kidding. Garrard was absolutely better than Bortles. Way more accurate, way more reliable. Garrard was the only QB we had in the last 10 years who I felt like we had a chance on 3rd down consistently. Bortles was the product of the strong team around him in 2017. If Garrard had that team we wouldn’t have been kneeling to end the half.
So here's a question to ponder. How far does the 2017 team go with Gardner Minshew as QB? Do we get to the AFCCG?
He would be benched for Glennon cause he gives us 'a better chance to win.'
(12-15-2020, 02:19 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2020, 01:44 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]You have to be kidding. Garrard was absolutely better than Bortles. Way more accurate, way more reliable. Garrard was the only QB we had in the last 10 years who I felt like we had a chance on 3rd down consistently. Bortles was the product of the strong team around him in 2017. If Garrard had that team we wouldn’t have been kneeling to end the half.
So here's a question to ponder. How far does the 2017 team go with Gardner Minshew as QB? Do we get to the AFCCG?
Well considering Bortles didn’t play that well in either the Bills or Steelers game, I would say yes.
(12-15-2020, 02:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2020, 02:19 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]So here's a question to ponder. How far does the 2017 team go with Gardner Minshew as QB? Do we get to the AFCCG?
Well considering Bortles didn’t play that well in either the Bills or Steelers game, I would say yes.
The Bills game was a defensive slug fest. Almost literally.
(12-15-2020, 03:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2020, 02:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Well considering Bortles didn’t play that well in either the Bills or Steelers game, I would say yes.
The Bills game was a defensive slug fest. Almost literally.
The outcome was fantastic but the game itself was maybe the worst game I’ve ever watched.
(12-15-2020, 03:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2020, 03:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The Bills game was a defensive slug fest. Almost literally.
The outcome was fantastic but the game itself was maybe the worst game I’ve ever watched.
Bad Bortles was playing, for sure.
The Bills fans weren't happy about it. How could a QB play so bad and yet still win? Especially after they broke all of those tables!
Leaving the game there was a lot of smack talking between Bills and Jags fans. No one threw down but there was a lot brave talk. One girl in a Bills jersey was so upset about the angry tension that she came up to my wife and I almost in tears and shook our hands to tell us what a good game it was.
(12-14-2020, 08:08 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-14-2020, 12:07 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Man if you can objectively look at Garrard and Bortles and think Bortles was the better QB, IDK what to tell you.
And I don't know that Garrard had a better roster. I think 2017 D was better by a wide margin than 2007 D. And on the outside I'd take 2017 WRs over Williams, Jones, and Northcutt.
The only thing Garrard had that was clearly better was the backfield (and 2017 was Lenny's best year) and maaaaybe the OL and TE spots.
More playoff wins, by like what, one? Give me a break.
My good friend, I'm going to disagree with you and this is why. First let's start with the coaching staff and this is Who David Garrard has as coaches. Jack Del Rio, Anthony Lynn, Dirk koetter, David Shula, and Mike Smith which all of them became head coaches. Blake Bortles on the other hand did not have 1 assistant coach or coordinator during his tenure that became a head coach or even a successful coordinator elsewhere.
Let's go to roster while they also had a great defense with Henderson, Stroud, Mathis, Mike Peterson and Daryl Smith. All of them by the way was perennial Pro Bowlers. Now was the 2017 defense was better yes because that was a all-time great defense and one of the best defenses in NFL history and the best defense in Jaguar history. So Blake had that going for him but David Garrard had a better offensive line, running back, tight end. The only thing Blake Bortles have better than that Garrard was the wide receivers and that's not by much but despite that Blake Bortles put up better numbers and had more important wins in his tenure then David Garrard. Is true that David Garrard was more consistent than Blake Bortles yes but he also had a better coaches and as a result, got the best out of him. If Blake had David coaching staff he would still be our quarterback for the Jaguar franchise to this day.
You're insane. And either a Bortles leg humping apologist who can't let go or a troll.
Bortles was so bad when he was good he was still bad.
Garrard was one of those lucky guys... he'd throw three or four passes directly at the opposing defense every game, right in their hands, and they'd drop it.
I'd put them in the same category.. never gonna get ya anywhere by their own skills or will.
(12-15-2020, 08:34 AM)uthill Wrote: [ -> ]3 games left. Off season can't come soon enough.
And for us, it always ends too quickly. Most fans are like "Awesome, it's football season!!" We're like "Crap, it's football season."
(12-15-2020, 04:24 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Garrard was one of those lucky guys... he'd throw three or four passes directly at the opposing defense every game, right in their hands, and they'd drop it.
I'd put them in the same category.. never gonna get ya anywhere by their own skills or will.
Yeah Garrard threw INTs at a clip that was laughable sometimes really. But 07 he captured lightning in a bottle. Think he had 3 INTs the whole year.
Bortles also threw a lot of picks and had quite a few dropped.
And yeah, I'd probably put them in the same category. But I still think Garrard was a better QB.
Which I guess is like picking the best looking ugly one or whatever, but yeah.
(12-15-2020, 04:27 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2020, 08:34 AM)uthill Wrote: [ -> ]3 games left. Off season can't come soon enough.
And for us, it always ends too quickly. Most fans are like "Awesome, it's football season!!" We're like "Crap, it's football season."
For me it's like "aw yeah, this is our year" and then by week 4 I'm like "well if we can just have a respectable season around 8-8....." and by late October "So what's up with the draft?"
Every. Year. (save for once every 10 years when we make the playoffs)
(12-15-2020, 04:28 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2020, 04:24 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Garrard was one of those lucky guys... he'd throw three or four passes directly at the opposing defense every game, right in their hands, and they'd drop it.
I'd put them in the same category.. never gonna get ya anywhere by their own skills or will.
Yeah Garrard threw INTs at a clip that was laughable sometimes really. But 07 he captured lightning in a bottle. Think he had 3 INTs the whole year.
Bortles also threw a lot of picks and had quite a few dropped.
And yeah, I'd probably put them in the same category. But I still think Garrard was a better QB.
Which I guess is like picking the best looking ugly one or whatever, but yeah.
(12-15-2020, 04:27 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ]And for us, it always ends too quickly. Most fans are like "Awesome, it's football season!!" We're like "Crap, it's football season."
For me it's like "aw yeah, this is our year" and then by week 4 I'm like "well if we can just have a respectable season around 8-8....." and by late October "So what's up with the draft?"
Every. Year. (save for once every 10 years when we make the playoffs)
Don’t worry. This time next year, Fields will be on his way to rookie of the year. Chark, Shenault, Robinson and Pitts will all have good seasons. Joe Brady will have the Jags offense humming. Jim Schwartz will have the D playing better and they’ll be fighting for the division title.