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(12-14-2020, 08:34 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Next up, the Braves, Chiefs, Warriors Seminoles......

Does anyone remember the third Mighty Ducks Movie?  It seemed like such a far fetched premise....  now look where we are!
I see the trend that it is the crappy bottom feeder teams that are being forced into name changes. Based on that trend, FSU is next. Warriors and Chiefs are safe for awhile until they suck again.

Liberals like picking on the weak link.
(12-14-2020, 09:53 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 08:34 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Next up, the Braves, Chiefs, Warriors Seminoles......

Does anyone remember the third Mighty Ducks Movie?  It seemed like such a far fetched premise....  now look where we are!
Remember?! I have it!

New Mighty Ducks show coming out too with Bombay back.
(12-14-2020, 09:31 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I find the Jaguars to be quite offensive these days.  Maybe a name change is in store .... couldn't hurt.

No worries, the new moniker of the London Jaguars is on the way!
(12-14-2020, 09:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 09:37 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If people with Irish or Swedish ancestry say those names offend them, then we probably should.

Is there a tipping point percentage we should observe? If only 5% of those with that ancestry are offended but the rest are indifferent or proud of the name, do we change it?

I can't give you a percentage, but, I can say that if you start seeing protests outside the stadium, and the protestors are from that ethnic group, it's time to consider a new name.  If they care enough to spend their afternoon protesting, and they were actually born into that group, you should probably consider their opinion.  I'm maybe 1/4 swedish and 0% irish.  No native american ancestry.  My opinion doesn't count here.  But yours might.
(12-14-2020, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 09:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

Is there a tipping point percentage we should observe? If only 5% of those with that ancestry are offended but the rest are indifferent or proud of the name, do we change it?

I can't give you a percentage, but, I can say that if you start seeing protests outside the stadium, and the protestors are from that ethnic group, it's time to consider a new name.  If they care enough to spend their afternoon protesting, and they were actually born into that group, you should probably consider their opinion.  I'm maybe 1/4 swedish and 0% irish.  No native american ancestry.  My opinion doesn't count here.  But yours might.

1% of an ethnic group can make a lot of noise and not fully represent the other 99%.
(12-14-2020, 08:54 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]We're looking at you Celtics and Vikings.

I’m part Irish, Scottish and Norwegian...where do I sign up???
(12-14-2020, 12:57 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 08:54 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]We're looking at you Celtics and Vikings.

I’m part Irish, Scottish and Norwegian...where do I sign up???

I have the forms right over here. Pay no attention to that lawyer gibberish there about what you're agreeing to do, it's just boilerplate. Just sign at the bottom and we'll go shopping for your new outfits.
I agree . i grew up a redskins fan and now a jag. I believe in sensitivity but some of this goes a little too far. Oh well
(12-14-2020, 12:59 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 12:57 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m part Irish, Scottish and Norwegian...where do I sign up???

I have the forms right over here. Pay no attention to that lawyer gibberish there about what you're agreeing to do, it's just boilerplate. Just sign at the bottom and we'll go shopping for your new outfits.

Too complicated. I just offered chocolates.
(12-14-2020, 02:31 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 12:59 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I have the forms right over here. Pay no attention to that lawyer gibberish there about what you're agreeing to do, it's just boilerplate. Just sign at the bottom and we'll go shopping for your new outfits.

Too complicated. I just offered chocolates.

This is why you have my vote!  Big Grin
(12-14-2020, 09:36 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious as to how large the domino effect will be from this. I wasn't kidding about Indian Motorcycles. Now that two major sports teams have relented, there's definitely going to be a larger effort. Mainly by white liberals who feel an obligation to be offended for other people.

Over the years I've read several articles concerning the Indians name and it's a mixed bag. It seems there are as many, if not more, actual Indians who are indifferent of the name than those who are offended.

Do the FSU outreach tact. Offer scholarships, creative input and other benefits to Native American groups for approval to use the name. Either that or shoulder the expense of rebranding. That's what it's coming down to.

They never appear to be offended by casinos bearing their names.
(12-14-2020, 04:01 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 09:36 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious as to how large the domino effect will be from this. I wasn't kidding about Indian Motorcycles. Now that two major sports teams have relented, there's definitely going to be a larger effort. Mainly by white liberals who feel an obligation to be offended for other people.

Over the years I've read several articles concerning the Indians name and it's a mixed bag. It seems there are as many, if not more, actual Indians who are indifferent of the name than those who are offended.

Do the FSU outreach tact. Offer scholarships, creative input and other benefits to Native American groups for approval to use the name. Either that or shoulder the expense of rebranding. That's what it's coming down to.

They never appear to be offended by casinos bearing their names.

That’s an excellent point.
There was a baseball team called the Cleveland blues in the 1800s, I forget if it was before or after the spiders.
I dont think that would be a good name to switch to, because the shirts and pants they've worn for decades are more red than blue.
But their socks are blue, so "Blue Sox" might be a good team name as well.
I like Rocks the best though. Makes for fun games between the Rocks and the Rockies.
I think the Atlanta Braves should change their name as well.
Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Hawks. The baseball team should be another bird of prey, the Atlanta Eagles.
(12-14-2020, 04:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 04:01 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]They never appear to be offended by casinos bearing their names.

That’s an excellent point.

Solution right here...

Cleveland Foxwoods.

Or Cleveland Mohegan Suns.

Yea, they are CT casinos... but still two of the biggest.
(12-14-2020, 04:35 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 04:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]That’s an excellent point.

Solution right here...

Cleveland Foxwoods.

Or Cleveland Mohegan Suns.

Yea, they are CT casinos... but still two of the biggest.

When they name it after themselves, it's not offensive.
It's when we name it after them that we end up on shakey ground.
(12-14-2020, 05:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 04:35 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Solution right here...

Cleveland Foxwoods.

Or Cleveland Mohegan Suns.

Yea, they are CT casinos... but still two of the biggest.

When they name it after themselves, it's not offensive.
It's when we name it after them that we end up on shakey ground.

Thanks for paleface-splaining that to us.
I was a bit surprised that the Washington Redskins beat the San Francisco 49'rs.  I didn't think they would.  I do hope that Alex Smith is alright and able to continue his career.

I also think that if snowflakes are "offended" or "shamed" because of a team name/mascot they need to get over it.  Nobody had a problem with the Redskins name for 80+ years.  It wasn't until today's PC culture (liberal snowflakes) that it became some kind of "problem".
(12-14-2020, 05:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-14-2020, 04:35 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Solution right here...

Cleveland Foxwoods.

Or Cleveland Mohegan Suns.

Yea, they are CT casinos... but still two of the biggest.

When they name it after themselves, it's not offensive.
It's when we name it after them that we end up on shakey ground.

So then the Native American artist's team logo, that he created to honor his people...it's fine for white liberals to cancel his work?
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