(12-26-2020, 11:04 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2020, 09:23 PM)hailtoyourvictor Wrote: [ -> ]1. Burrow was a 23 year old 5th year senior. Lawrence was a 20 year old 2nd sophomore.
2. Burrow was playing with the Biletnikoff Award winner (Chase) and first round draft pick (Jefferson).
Please don’t act like the comparison was apples to apples. Using that game as who you think will no doubt be the better NFL quarterback is absurd.
Please don't act like Clemson wasn't loaded with talent too. They were undefeated and had the longest winning streak in the country. Lawrence had 2 full seasons of playing experience and had played and won a Championship game. So yeah, we are comparing apples to apples here. If anything, Lawrence was the more experienced player in that situation.
Also, I'm not sure what Chase and Jefferson had to do with Lawrence completing less than 50% of his passes and zero TDs.
If you can’t see why it could be erroneous to judge NFL trajectory from one game between a 23 year old 5th year senior vs a 20 year old 2nd year sophomore then any other discussion on this is a waste of time.
(12-27-2020, 12:28 AM)hailtoyourvictor Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2020, 11:04 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Please don't act like Clemson wasn't loaded with talent too. They were undefeated and had the longest winning streak in the country. Lawrence had 2 full seasons of playing experience and had played and won a Championship game. So yeah, we are comparing apples to apples here. If anything, Lawrence was the more experienced player in that situation.
Also, I'm not sure what Chase and Jefferson had to do with Lawrence completing less than 50% of his passes and zero TDs.
If you can’t see why it could be erroneous to judge NFL trajectory from one game between a 23 year old 5th year senior vs a 20 year old 2nd year sophomore then any other discussion on this is a waste of time.
Right, because 5th year QBs are known for setting single season NCAA records and leading the league in every major statistical category.
That still doesn't excuse Lawrence of his awful performance in not his first, but his second championship game.
Fading when the pressure is on and he has to make plays, shows he's not a can't miss QB.
(12-27-2020, 01:37 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2020, 12:28 AM)hailtoyourvictor Wrote: [ -> ]If you can’t see why it could be erroneous to judge NFL trajectory from one game between a 23 year old 5th year senior vs a 20 year old 2nd year sophomore then any other discussion on this is a waste of time.
Right, because 5th year QBs are known for setting single season NCAA records and leading the league in every major statistical category.
That still doesn't excuse Lawrence of his awful performance in not his first, but his second championship game.
Fading when the pressure is on and he has to make plays, shows he's not a can't miss QB.
Dude. What are you even arguing? Lol
You said Burrow would have been a unanimous #1 pick last year even with Lawerence coming out. And he wouldn’t have been.
It’s not a knock on Burrow but Lawerence is on, AT MINIMUM, the same level as Burrow. Some have Lawerence rated higher than Burrow coming out.
And didn’t Lawerence win a title as a freshman? How exactly is that fading when the pressure is on?
(12-27-2020, 09:00 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2020, 01:37 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Right, because 5th year QBs are known for setting single season NCAA records and leading the league in every major statistical category.
That still doesn't excuse Lawrence of his awful performance in not his first, but his second championship game.
Fading when the pressure is on and he has to make plays, shows he's not a can't miss QB.
Dude. What are you even arguing? Lol
You said Burrow would have been a unanimous #1 pick last year even with Lawerence coming out. And he wouldn’t have been.
It’s not a knock on Burrow but Lawerence is on, AT MINIMUM, the same level as Burrow. Some have Lawerence rated higher than Burrow coming out.
And didn’t Lawerence win a title as a freshman? How exactly is that fading when the pressure is on?
He’s pot committed on a bad argument.
(12-26-2020, 09:25 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2020, 09:23 PM)hailtoyourvictor Wrote: [ -> ]1. Burrow was a 23 year old 5th year senior. Lawrence was a 20 year old 2nd sophomore.
2. Burrow was playing with the Biletnikoff Award winner (Chase) and first round draft pick (Jefferson).
Please don’t act like the comparison was apples to apples. Using that game as who you think will no doubt be the better NFL quarterback is absurd.
And CEH in the backfield who was awesome in that game.
Burrows supporting cast last season was absurd.
AND KLAVON CHASSION ON DEF...
nvm l0l
Regardless if one feels Burrow is better, Lawrence is still a great QB too. They are both great and 2 elite QB prospects
(12-27-2020, 09:00 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2020, 01:37 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Right, because 5th year QBs are known for setting single season NCAA records and leading the league in every major statistical category.
That still doesn't excuse Lawrence of his awful performance in not his first, but his second championship game.
Fading when the pressure is on and he has to make plays, shows he's not a can't miss QB.
Dude. What are you even arguing? Lol
You said Burrow would have been a unanimous #1 pick last year even with Lawerence coming out. And he wouldn’t have been.
It’s not a knock on Burrow but Lawerence is on, AT MINIMUM, the same level as Burrow. Some have Lawerence rated higher than Burrow coming out.
And didn’t Lawerence win a title as a freshman? How exactly is that fading when the pressure is on?
Burrow has shown he has the mental fortitude to play under pressure and from behind. Lawrence never has. He has always struggled in tough or close games.
I'm not denying his physical tools, but that is a worrisome trait in the NFL where most games are tough and close.
(12-27-2020, 01:28 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2020, 09:00 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dude. What are you even arguing? Lol
You said Burrow would have been a unanimous #1 pick last year even with Lawerence coming out. And he wouldn’t have been.
It’s not a knock on Burrow but Lawerence is on, AT MINIMUM, the same level as Burrow. Some have Lawerence rated higher than Burrow coming out.
And didn’t Lawerence win a title as a freshman? How exactly is that fading when the pressure is on?
Burrow has shown he has the mental fortitude to play under pressure and from behind. Lawrence never has. He has always struggled in tough or close games.
I'm not denying his physical tools, but that is a worrisome trait in the NFL where most games are tough and close.
Do you remember when Peyton came out and people weren't sure if he was actually better than Ryan Leaf because the Gators kept piledriving him every time they faced off?
(12-27-2020, 01:28 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2020, 09:00 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dude. What are you even arguing? Lol
You said Burrow would have been a unanimous #1 pick last year even with Lawerence coming out. And he wouldn’t have been.
It’s not a knock on Burrow but Lawerence is on, AT MINIMUM, the same level as Burrow. Some have Lawerence rated higher than Burrow coming out.
And didn’t Lawerence win a title as a freshman? How exactly is that fading when the pressure is on?
Burrow has shown he has the mental fortitude to play under pressure and from behind. Lawrence never has. He has always struggled in tough or close games.
I'm not denying his physical tools, but that is a worrisome trait in the NFL where most games are tough and close.
The Ohio st playoff game from last season would beg to differ
(12-27-2020, 01:28 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-27-2020, 09:00 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dude. What are you even arguing? Lol
You said Burrow would have been a unanimous #1 pick last year even with Lawerence coming out. And he wouldn’t have been.
It’s not a knock on Burrow but Lawerence is on, AT MINIMUM, the same level as Burrow. Some have Lawerence rated higher than Burrow coming out.
And didn’t Lawerence win a title as a freshman? How exactly is that fading when the pressure is on?
Burrow has shown he has the mental fortitude to play under pressure and from behind. Lawrence never has. He has always struggled in tough or close games.
I'm not denying his physical tools, but that is a worrisome trait in the NFL where most games are tough and close.
Ok.....
And again. Burrow still wouldn’t have been unanimous. It’s not that hard a concept.
Also. Lawerence has lost exactly one college game.... not sure you can judge if he falters under pressure or not.
I would have takem lawrence over burrow last year. Hands down. Imo lawrence is just a winner. What is he like 84-3 as a starting qb since hs. Yea a lot of games in the nfl are close unless they arent. They dont have to be close. Imo lawrence will be tzhe best qb in jags history and i am for one super stoked on that.
I would have been more comfortable with lawrence and his book of work even last year. Look at the two notre dame games this year for clemson. Liks night and day with him out vs being in. Burrow was a one year wonder and came with risks.
Its yet to be seen if his injury will give him the jitters.
(12-26-2020, 02:37 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/clemso...y-he-isnt/
Dilfer knows far more about the QB position than I will ever know.
But I don't detect anything about a long delivery, or any sign that he is uncoachable even if he does have a long delivery.
I will take my chances with Lawrence, thank you very much.
Never thought we'd even have a chance to draft Lawrence so I scouted Fields and Trask more than Lawrence but the only concerns are that his front foot is a bit of a long stride when he steps into throws so he'll need solid Guards/Interior Oline to buy him the space he needs; and his ball placement/accuracy becomes a little spotty downfield. That said he has the prototype size and armstrength, great footwork, good pad level on his drops, excellent pocket presence/pocket feel for the rush, a smooth throwing motion. I will say that he played with a lot of talent at Clemson and the ACC isn't a murderers row of defenses but he's easily the best qb in this draft and would be the best qb we've had in a longgggg time.
(12-26-2020, 02:37 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/clemso...y-he-isnt/
Dilfer knows far more about the QB position than I will ever know.
But I don't detect anything about a long delivery, or any sign that he is uncoachable even if he does have a long delivery.
I will take my chances with Lawrence, thank you very much.
I'm watching some of his highlights. He does have a little bit of a wind up in his delivery. It's not anything particularly bad but it's not as smooth as you'd like it. Also saw him occasionally throw off the back foot when he gets in a hurry. His accuracy is crazy, arm strength is solid and his athleticism surprises you sometimes. He's not a sure thing but he's pretty close.
(12-27-2020, 06:00 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2020, 02:37 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/clemso...y-he-isnt/
Dilfer knows far more about the QB position than I will ever know.
But I don't detect anything about a long delivery, or any sign that he is uncoachable even if he does have a long delivery.
I will take my chances with Lawrence, thank you very much.
I'm watching some of his highlights. He does have a little bit of a wind up in his delivery. It's not anything particularly bad but it's not as smooth as you'd like it. Also saw him occasionally throw off the back foot when he gets in a hurry. His accuracy is crazy, arm strength is solid and his athleticism surprises you sometimes. He's not a sure thing but he's pretty close.
With Chark and Shenalt to throw to and Robinson in the backfield if the next GM/coach can manage to keep the offensive line at least average the team could average 10 more points per game next year, with more of them coming early in games when they matter.
All I need is for him to be at least as good as Brunell.
(12-26-2020, 04:32 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Burrow and Lawrence are very close as prospects. Burrow was the best QB prospect since Luck. Regardless you couldn't go wrong with either.
(12-26-2020, 04:17 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of Jag fans are acting like he will be the savior of the franchise or a once in a generation type talent.
The truth is he is the best QB to come out of college since last year.
He may be the best option we have, but I think us having the first overall pick came a year too late.
Just think of Lawrence had Jj and Chase
All the young up and coming QBs will be in the AFC
Mahomes, Lawrence, Herbert, Tua, Burrow, Mayfield, Jackson, Allen, and whoever the Jets take
Tua is gonna bust, and Jackson is already overrated. Some of the others like Herbert I am not super high on, we will see tho.
(12-27-2020, 07:16 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]All I need is for him to be at least as good as Brunell.
I need for him to be a lot better than that. Brunell was the best QB in Jags' history, but in the grand scheme of things, he was not a great QB. He was good, not great and certainly not elite.
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